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Post by jnanthan » Mon, 03 May 2010 4:04 pm

HI,

I am working in sinapore for three year. Past 5 months i am in q1 pass. previosely i was in s pass. I got PR rejected when i was in s pass (8 months ago) . I can reapply PR after two year as for PR rejection letter. Now i changed my status s pass to q1 pass. I would like to know my status is eligible to apply PR now .Please advise...

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 03 May 2010 4:14 pm

No change. It's not based on your EP level.

But you can apply again if you want.

All you will be doing is showing ICA that you cannot follow directions and are therefore not the type of person Singapore really needs. :-|
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Post by KittyJules76 » Tue, 04 May 2010 2:02 pm

Oh it's not depend on the work pass level? I got mine rejected last year Nov but didnt say when I can reapply. Main reason is coz change of residential places and need to show more money in my financial statement. Been here 2 and half years but move 2 times within the period. I didnt know it's one of the fact that they consider. I thought they stated the financial thing due to my work pass and min salary so thinking may be I should find better job.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 04 May 2010 2:31 pm

KittyJules76 wrote:Oh it's not depend on the work pass level? I got mine rejected last year Nov but didnt say when I can reapply. Main reason is coz change of residential places and need to show more money in my financial statement. Been here 2 and half years but move 2 times within the period. I didnt know it's one of the fact that they consider. I thought they stated the financial thing due to my work pass and min salary so thinking may be I should find better job.
Did you rejection letter actually tell you why it was rejected? Or are you assuming? You state that it didn't indicate when you could reapply.

This generally means you have been found wanting. The OP, on the other hand, was told to reapply in two years. So obviously, while not 100% sure they want to give PR to the OP, they are willing to take another look "after two years". They didn't say, "after you get a higher work pass" or "after you have more money in the bank" or "after you stay in one house for two years". If they did mention income levels, it probably means you were making in the region of only 2500/mo. You can be on an S pass and make 4 or 5K a month. The only thing that's tied to the various Passes money wise is the minimum salary you can earn in order to get a certain pass.

So what exactly did you rejection letter say?

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Post by KittyJules76 » Tue, 04 May 2010 2:56 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
KittyJules76 wrote:Oh it's not depend on the work pass level? I got mine rejected last year Nov but didnt say when I can reapply. Main reason is coz change of residential places and need to show more money in my financial statement. Been here 2 and half years but move 2 times within the period. I didnt know it's one of the fact that they consider. I thought they stated the financial thing due to my work pass and min salary so thinking may be I should find better job.
Did you rejection letter actually tell you why it was rejected? Or are you assuming? You state that it didn't indicate when you could reapply.

This generally means you have been found wanting. The OP, on the other hand, was told to reapply in two years. So obviously, while not 100% sure they want to give PR to the OP, they are willing to take another look "after two years". They didn't say, "after you get a higher work pass" or "after you have more money in the bank" or "after you stay in one house for two years". If they did mention income levels, it probably means you were making in the region of only 2500/mo. You can be on an S pass and make 4 or 5K a month. The only thing that's tied to the various Passes money wise is the minimum salary you can earn in order to get a certain pass.

So what exactly did you rejection letter say?

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Hi sms

They stated 2 reasons. After carefully considered it is rejected due to changes in residential places and in need of financial stability. So I thought whatever i have in my bank is not enough and in order to have that the only two options i can think of is either i find better job with good salary or transfer all my savings back from my country to my SG bank account.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 04 May 2010 5:48 pm

I don't remember having to submit my banking records when I applied for my PR. If you didn't submit your banking records, then it would have to be based on a too low monthly income basis. If you are only earning around the 2500/mo figure it's probably that reason. Even if you, like the OP were on a S pass at 2500/mo (1.8K minimum for S Pass) and had your pass upgraded to a Q pass and the salary the same, (minimum 2.5K/mo) you still wouldn't be able to qualify. If the shifting of housing is the reason, you were possibly either living in a rented room or if they say you were moving too often (2x in 2 years) then you are going to have to stay in one place for at least 2 years before reapplying. Of course, if you don't mind the rejections you can reapply now anyway. That's up to you of course.

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Post by KittyJules76 » Tue, 04 May 2010 6:18 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I don't remember having to submit my banking records when I applied for my PR. If you didn't submit your banking records, then it would have to be based on a too low monthly income basis. If you are only earning around the 2500/mo figure it's probably that reason. Even if you, like the OP were on a S pass at 2500/mo (1.8K minimum for S Pass) and had your pass upgraded to a Q pass and the salary the same, (minimum 2.5K/mo) you still wouldn't be able to qualify. If the shifting of housing is the reason, you were possibly either living in a rented room or if they say you were moving too often (2x in 2 years) then you are going to have to stay in one place for at least 2 years before reapplying. Of course, if you don't mind the rejections you can reapply now anyway. That's up to you of course.

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Yeah I think probably because of both reasons. Dont mind waiting for two years anyway so should be ok. I am more afraid of the salary which is now I assume underpaid coz it's around 2k and I am doing the job of 2 companies (another company just set up for six months). Eventhough my initial position is HR now there's three sections under me including Finance. I am also the type of person who is very hesitate to ask for increment(consider boss know my workload already so he should offer what i deserve) hmm...come to think of it, I really should change the job. :D. anyway, thx sms

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Post by singaporeflyer » Tue, 04 May 2010 9:44 pm

hi KittyJules76/SMS,
Just a clarification required from you. If i am not wrong ICA would have stated not met the residential requirements (which I would assume that the applicant has not stayed in SG for a considerable amount of time). I have seen few of my friends rejected but none stated residential places(referring to the flat address in SG). All of them had rejection reasons as not met the residential requirements for PR.. How will the change of house location in SG count for the rejection for PR?

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Post by singaporeflyer » Tue, 04 May 2010 9:54 pm

Also comparing the PR with PEP, there is surely a relation between the pass type and the residential period one has to be in Singapore for approval (at least in the last one year)

Landed PR will not come under this case as the person might not be singapore at the time of application


For example for

PEP

Q1 pass holder has to be working for 5 years on Q1

P2 pass holder has to be working for 2 years on P2

No time duration for P1 pass holders.

Similarly there is surely a relation between the pass type and the duration of stay(working) in Singapore for PR applications.

KittyJules76 based on the information which you gave, I assume u are on a S Pass. So u need to work for a longer time (not sure abt the exact number of years as per the current criteria) in Singapore, for you to qualify for the residential requirements.

KittyJules76, I can almost surely say that ICA would not have stated residential places rather it would have been residential requirements. Please read the letter and confirm. ICA might have said financial stability as one of the factor but they would not say anything about ur financial or bank statement. Please confirm after reading ur letter again

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 04 May 2010 10:14 pm

Based on that assumption, then an S pass holder would not be able to apply for PR. This I know is not the case as I've 3 currently on my payroll who I brought into the country, and they were on S passes until they got their PR (at that time, within 12 months for 2 of them and 6 months for the other. And their salaries were the minimum for S passes. So I am inclined to think there isn't any correlation between PEP and PR. PEP is only time based only for the lesser passes (S don't even qualify) as the P1 is automatic if you want it as the salary is over the 7K threshold for PEP outright without being in Singapore at all.

But without actually seeing the text of the rejection letter, we can only surmise what 'actually' was said. Let's see what she comes up with.
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Post by singaporeflyer » Tue, 04 May 2010 10:22 pm

S Pass holders can surely apply for PR. earlier the criteria for evaluation of PR was lenient and so they were approved easily not considering the duration of stay. But recently in the past 8-10 months the evaluation is a lot stricter and the main reasons for rejections are not met the residential requirements (or) factors like financial stability and conduct.

Cant say impossible, but in the recent 1 year there are very few number of S or Q Pass holders with stay less than 1 year in SG approved as a PR .


What the person has quoted as the rejection is surely not the exact content of the rejection letter.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 04 May 2010 10:52 pm

WOW! What a startling revelation! Did you just crawl out of a cave somewhere? Haven't you been reading our posts here since last September when the tightening up started? You sound like a scratched record just repeating what we've been saying over and over as well. The search button might save you a lot of typing :roll:
What the person has quoted as the rejection is surely not the exact content of the rejection letter.
How do you know? Do you work for ICA? Or are you assuming AGAIN. I grant you it's probably not word for word, but you really shouldn't assume anything.

And yes, there have been those who have been approved with only 6 months here recently (I know of 2 within the last 6 months that have filed and received it). Hate to disillusion you. But ICA doesn't give out it's reasons nor the point criteria that it uses. I can tell you this much though, if you are Caucasian you stand less chance of getting PR 'at the moment' if you are holding a Q or P1 pass than another person of regional extraction will have. Primarily due to the fact that it's rare that the Caucasian is here for the long term or is likely to convert that PR into Citizenship therefore is of little benefit to give it out.
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Post by singaporeflyer » Tue, 04 May 2010 11:01 pm

May be i am repeating what u said, but ask the person. I am very sure that is not the content of the letter. I mean they would not have said residential place. it is residential requirement.let us wait for the person to respond

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Post by Asdracles » Tue, 04 May 2010 11:39 pm

I also would feel very strange that changing address in SG would be negative for your application. Specially with the crazy market/agents here, the short term contracts and so.

Btw, Im one of those rejected caucasians. Funny, when I came to SG they said that it would be easier for me to get a PR. I didn't rush, and now chances are just the opposite.... Maybe the points criteria changes like a roulette, now that casinos have opened. Nobody knows

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Post by singaporeflyer » Tue, 04 May 2010 11:51 pm

Asdracles,when did u apply and what EP pass are u on ?

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