I have only one comment ...........................Bullshit!anneteoh wrote:
Bailing out seems to be the practice , including Britain where the govt's been bailing out bank after bank, hence reversing the captialist system into a communist one, while the banks in communist countries are reversing to capitalist independence of govt grips. Brown believes he's saved the world from collapsing altogether.
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Another European county, Greece, goes bankrupt!
Re: Another European county, Greece, goes bankrupt!
Only one problem with all those Countries, the lack of stability and laws controlling land. They should never have been let into Europe, now its just a bloody shambles and a free for all.Strong Eagle wrote:Possibly because they are doing a shitty job of balancing their budgets? But, it's not just a European phenomenon. Try South America, Africa, and Asia as well.tkuanhoo wrote:European countries that went bankrupt in just the past 5 years alone ->
Greece, Hungary, Romania, Latvia, Belarus, Serbia, Moldova! Bulgaria, Portugal, Spain and Italy are looking shaky.
Why do European countries have a tendency of going bankrupt?
Having the Euro as a common currency is a problem because it eliminates the ability for a country to devalue its currency, thereby bringing bubble excesses back in line.
Many UK citizens have had their property and land repossed in Spain, because it was sold off illegally.
She does talk some crap at times . . .Plavt wrote:I have only one comment ...........................Bullshit!anneteoh wrote:
Bailing out seems to be the practice , including Britain where the govt's been bailing out bank after bank, hence reversing the captialist system into a communist one, while the banks in communist countries are reversing to capitalist independence of govt grips. Brown believes he's saved the world from collapsing altogether.
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richard III wrote:Good point Scooby, I wouldnt debate the german problem as I do not have the info as if germany bent the rules...I doubt it though, since its numbers have been sound all this time even when they had to pull east germany kicking and screaming all the way into the market system. I believe though that politics should stay out of the picture, which is doubful, it may even cost Merkel and her party the next term.....as for the states, no doubt they are quick to respond, they learned the lesson in 1929, even though I do not agree with their way of reacting, socialists when they are losing money but when things are good, they are the epitome of capitalism.....but then again, was there a better solution?...as papandreu, looks like obama will pay for the previous goverments sins.
Taking politics and Germany, late last night the Financial Times editorial came up with quite a good study. The first part is:
Binding former enemies together in a common currency was Europe’s historic political achievement. Today those ties are being tested as never before. The euro is not yet on the verge of disintegration. But greater statesmanship is needed to stem the erosion of political support.
Monetary union was always as much a political as an economic project. So it is today. If the euro is under threat, it is not from economic challenges, whether sovereign defaults or a plummeting exchange rate. The euro has successfully buttressed the single market by eliminating currency volatility and competitive devaluations. The risks to its survival are political – and even those risks can be overstated. There are powerful forces holding the eurozone together: there is no way to expel a member; political leaders are still committed to staying in; and even if they wanted to, leaving would be costly.
But the strains on the single currency are severe. If its leaders want the euro to survive, they must forge a new political bargain in place of the one that made its birth possible. Germany gave up the Deutschmark in return for the rest of Europe pursuing more German-style discipline. This understanding was to be safeguarded by three pillars: an independent, inflation-busting European Central Bank; a stability and growth pact mandating fiscal prudence; and a ban on bail-outs. Of these only the first is still standing, and even ECB independence is wobbling.
States, including France and Germany, wriggled out of the pact’s strictures. Governments recoiled from punishing one of their own. The pressure for restraint when times were good was lost. Excessive public borrowing was not the only cause of the debt crisis: Spain is under siege despite its surpluses before the crisis and lower public debt than Germany. But the failure of discipline delayed reforms needed for sustainable growth. Huge capital flows across the continent could have eased such changes; instead they financed consumption binges and wasted investment.
Sounds like good labour policy to me, with a touch of political communistic get rich quick schemes, no doubt we will see more UK football clubs taken over soonHuge capital flows across the continent could have eased such changes; instead they financed consumption binges and wasted investment.

Why on earth these Countries were not vetted more closely before they were admitted into Europe, another political and naive cock up. If the world has super famous con artists like the one in the US, that ripped off the stock market punters, how easy is it to con Europe, Greece have done more than once with the Euro subsidies.
The integrity of politicians, lawyers and bankers around the world must be at an all time low today!
My guess is that we will see the stock market fall quite a way yet, due to no confidence in the higher echelons of the governments and financial sector, which may cause another step backwards into recession.
Though the US$ will still lead in trade, the superiority of the west and the US is shifting more quickly than anticipated...I have this theory that the collapse of Russia had a systematic effect on the rest of Europe, milked of its wealth through crooked governments that joined Europe in a race for one currency.
MMmmm! no fish biting today


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The con artistes are all over the world and the fact that Madoff got a lot of press due to the large sum of money involved. He is charistmatic and able to win people over with his talk. And then clients would refer their friends and relatives to him. It just take one person to not do the due deligence and start spreading the untruths for a domino effect.ksl wrote:If the world has super famous con artists like the one in the US, that ripped off the stock market punters, how easy is it to con Europe, Greece have done more than once with the Euro subsidies.
SEC has visited hiS company 6 times out of 12 (or 10) years. And yet they did not detect it? Were SEC staff easily charmed too and did not believe someone of his stature would committ fraud? Madoff himself was surprised that he was not caught earlier (thus ending his own misery for having to continue the coverup?) as he had "too much credibility" with SEC.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33560855/
We need to breed people who exercise independent thinking and not afraid to use their intellect. We have to start with the kids. Get them when they are young.
Yes i do agree, the world as had a great deal of scandal in the top ranks of almost every profession, and the Duchess of York, paints a picture of poverty with a settlement of 15k.earthfriendly wrote:The con artistes are all over the world and the fact that Madoff got a lot of press due to the large sum of money involved. He is charistmatic and able to win people over with his talk. And then clients would refer their friends and relatives to him. It just take one person to not do the due deligence and start spreading the untruths for a domino effect.ksl wrote:If the world has super famous con artists like the one in the US, that ripped off the stock market punters, how easy is it to con Europe, Greece have done more than once with the Euro subsidies.
SEC has visited hiS company 6 times out of 12 (or 10) years. And yet they did not detect it? Were SEC staff easily charmed too and did not believe someone of his stature would committ fraud? Madoff himself was surprised that he was not caught earlier (thus ending his own misery for having to continue the coverup?) as he had "too much credibility" with SEC.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33560855/
We need to breed people who exercise independent thinking and not afraid to use their intellect. We have to start with the kids. Get them when they are young.


I don't think the worlds problems will be over for a while, though i do see Asia pulling away from the pack in terms of growth and superiority, the nuclear threat is a real possibility with so much corruption going on in Countries that have the capability.
Western Countries have poked their noses into the fires of hell, and the devil will not rest. The world really does need to pull together!
Terrorism is a losing battle and takes enormous amounts of resources, it's never ending but can be diplomatically resolved for a time like the UK 30 years, before they gave them a voice in politics, though what goes on behind the scenes at grass root level is something else.
The middle east as always been a tinder box, most of the eastern block Countries are unstable.
We also see the credibility dwindle in the legal sector too, in Singapore we have seen at least 4 lawyers on the wrong side of the law, credibility is a nervous wreck on the bottom of the sea bed.Disgraced financier: Regulators ‘never asked’ for basic operational records
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking+Ne ... 10632.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNew ... 05057.html
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show ... theft.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNew ... 78730.html
To think tenants worry getting their deposits back


Does it matter? I'm getting more Aussie dollars for my Sg dollar ever since this whole Euro slide began. It's great! And when I get to Deutschland I'll do very well with my Sg dollar there as well yeah?!raden888 wrote:so which is the next EU country to fail? The derivative traders lost their bet on Greece..Billions were exchanged on assumption that Greece won't be bailed.
Portugal next?
It's truly wonderful for yours truly. But I know that I shouldn't be rejoicing....so - "yay"!

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http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/02/news/co ... s_hearing/
Who can I trust now
? Do businesses have to go down this path?
In some instances, certain analysts were blocked from participating on new deals at a banker's request out of fear that they might not assign the new security the coveted 'AAA' rating.
Higher-ups in the company also allegedly employed a variety of techniques to grease the wheels in the mortgage rating process, including understaffing the residential mortgage rating group so analysts could not look at any single deal too closely.
"When I left Moody's, an analyst's worst fear was that he would do something that would allow him to be singled out for jeopardizing Moody's market share, for impairing Moody's revenue or for damaging Moody's relationships with its clients and lose his job as a result," said Froeba, who is scheduled to appear before the commission later in the day.
I used to have a lot of faith in highly coveted companies. Reading stories like this one, short cuts taken by BP resulting in the oil spill, initial downplay by Toyota regarding the car acceleration, Goldman Sach betting against the very product that they promote to their own customers, suicides in Chinese factory that manufacture hi tech goods like Apple Iphones. And these are supposedly well run operations."The focus on market share inevitably lead to an inability to say "no" to transactions," said Eric Kolchinsky, a former managing director within Moody's derivatives division, in prepared remarks before a hearing of the Financial Crisis Inquiries Commission in New York.
"While there was never any explicit directive to lower credit standards, every missed deal had to be explained and defended," he added.
Who can I trust now

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As the story unfolds. This is so disappointing. Just reinforce my believe that each one of us, individually, have to do our own due diligence and exercise indepedent thinking. I only started paying attention to financial news in last few months. I am a bit shaken by what I see.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010 ... al-inquiry
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010 ... al-inquiry
The US commission's chairman, Phil Angelides, cited figures suggesting that 83% of mortgage securities given an AAA rating by Moody's in 2006 were subsequently downgraded, while 89% of home loan packages granted an investment-grade rating in 2007 were later reduced to junk status. "The miss was huge," said Angelides. "It was 90% downgrades. Even the dumbest kid in class gets 10% in an exam."Moody's chief executive, Ray McDaniel, apologised for his firm's conduct, admitting it had been "deeply disappointing".
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Nothing suprise me if you have lived that long. History tells it all, in SG , DBS was the underwriter for Lehmand Brothers and it failed. DBS and the Gahmen runs for cover until there is no CB leaves to cover. End up they have to front up. BUT how many of those that loss money managed to get anything at all. Mums and Dads saving all gone down the drain. STRICT CONDITION were set for those that wish to have a recourse with DBS which proves to be very difficult.earthfriendly wrote:As the story unfolds. This is so disappointing. Just reinforce my believe that each one of us, individually, have to do our own due diligence and exercise indepedent thinking. I only started paying attention to financial news in last few months. I am a bit shaken by what I see.
Another eg, remember NKF and the peanuts for monkey. TT Durai and the former PM wife was so adamant that NKF and TT was doing fine job until the GOLDEN TAP brought him down. Again TT and the Gahmen went for cover. TOOK them a whole three days to get an explanation from the Gahmen.
What a shamble as NO ONE Dares to admit mistake on their part until the pooh is right up their nose and eyes that they cannot hold their breath anymore.
Wait when election comes, ONE HAND WILL GIVE THE HANDOUT and THE OTHER WILL TAKE IT BACK .
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!
I remember the furor about the 'peanuts' comment . . . but nothing happens . . . The arrogance shown by her at the time was simply astounding.Mad Scientist wrote: Another eg, remember NKF and the peanuts for monkey. TT Durai and the former PM wife was so adamant that NKF and TT was doing fine job until the GOLDEN TAP brought him down. Again TT and the Gahmen went for cover. TOOK them a whole three days to get an explanation from the Gahmen. .
Divorced from reality
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