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Singapore is not safe

Postby stynium » Sat, 24 Apr 2010 5:49 pm

The victim stabbed was my 21-year old cousin, a Singaporean student. She is now fearful of going home at night, as are her family. I live in Tampines as well. The police did nothing to warn us, no posters, no newspaper reports, no CCTVs put up, no patrols around, despite appeals to the town council, MPs,and the police by her family. No newspaper reported this. This might be going on much more frequently than you are aware of in your own neighbourhood, HDB or landed, and nothing is being done about it. We might be becoming as lawless as JB, despite being told we are a "1st world country".

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Postby Splatted » Sat, 24 Apr 2010 8:13 pm

so how many stabbings have happened since this last incident (november) in your neighbourhood...?

also, out of curiosity.. what time of day was your sister stabbed?

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Postby nakatago » Sat, 24 Apr 2010 8:59 pm

While it is unfortunate that your cousin was victim to a crime, please don't expect much from the government about this. For one thing, they've always hammered the point that people in Singapore should always be careful. "Low crime doesn't mean no crime." Another, I think it's already an established fact that the government (and by extension, the media) selects which events to "report" to make itself look good, especially now with the upcoming elections. It is quite alarmist to claim that SG is becoming lawless; it is the contrary (the sky ISN'T falling): People wouldn't bother doing things in secret if there are no laws.

We empathize about what happened to your loved one and how you feel right now but please, try to keep a cool head and think about this rationally. Knee-jerk reactions rarely get the intended results.

So, please, be careful, be wary...be street smart but don't let this unfortunate incident prevent you or anyone from living a fulfilling and happy life. Giving in to fear makes terrorists win.

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Postby EADG » Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:05 am

Terrible incident indeed.

I doubt this place will change from this incident as the OP fears, though I often wonder if the coddled environment here promotes an unhealthy unawareness of one's immediate surroundings. Something you definitely don't want to take overseas with you into the real world.
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Postby nakatago » Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:44 am

EADG wrote:Terrible incident indeed.

I doubt this place will change from this incident as the OP fears, though I often wonder if the coddled environment here promotes an unhealthy unawareness of one's immediate surroundings. Something you definitely don't want to take overseas with you into the real world.


That's what I'm thinking as well. People get complacent.

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Postby morenangpinay » Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:42 pm

somehow when i came here im still doing what i do while i was in my country lol which is to hold my bag infront when in a crowded place..its a habit.

anyway there is a benefit and disadvantage in a strict and overly image conscious government.

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Postby BigSis » Sun, 25 Apr 2010 2:38 pm

I don't know what the full story is, but I do think Singapore is getting worse for crime. A lot of the crime we hear about seems to be between people who know each other, especially many of the more violent incidents that have been happening lately, so I suppose because of that people feel that it isn't as likely to happen to them.

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Postby raden888 » Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:18 pm

stynium wrote:The victim stabbed was my 21-year old cousin, a Singaporean student. She is now fearful of going home at night, as are her family. I live in Tampines as well. The police did nothing to warn us, no posters, no newspaper reports, no CCTVs put up, no patrols around, despite appeals to the town council, MPs,and the police by her family. No newspaper reported this. This might be going on much more frequently than you are aware of in your own neighbourhood, HDB or landed, and nothing is being done about it. We might be becoming as lawless as JB, despite being told we are a "1st world country".

Sorry, but had you read the stickies on this forum, I would not have had to delete the other 2/3's of your post. We are not allowed to copy & paste OR posts links to that particular newspaper. Please take the time to read the stickies before posting here.

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Hmm, I've lived in JB for a short while and I do not think its lawless, chaotic yet lawless not only if you believe all those stories fueled by PAP then it will look like a lawless city. Like in any city, being aware of your surroundings will help you avoid any unwanted circumstances but then again sometimes shit happens..That's life!

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Postby ScoobyDoes » Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:37 am

raden888 wrote:Hmm, I've lived in JB for a short while and I do not think its lawless, chaotic yet lawless not only if you believe all those stories fueled by PAP then it will look like a lawless city. Like in any city, being aware of your surroundings will help you avoid any unwanted circumstances but then again sometimes shit happens..That's life!



I travel into JB and Malaysia a lot, and stayed there for more than 5-yrs but I was up a couple of weeks ago and talking to local friends of mine there they do say it is getting much worse.

HOWEVER, most of the crimes reported are of assaults and car-jackings and from what i see the majority are in the 12-midnight to 5am time frame. No good is being done by anybody at 3am and you wouldn't catch me out alone at that time anyway......upshot, just keep your wits about you, even in Singapore.

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Postby Vaucluse » Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:00 pm

BigSis wrote:I don't know what the full story is, but I do think Singapore is getting worse for crime. A lot of the crime we hear about seems to be between people who know each other, especially many of the more violent incidents that have been happening lately, so I suppose because of that people feel that it isn't as likely to happen to them.


So, you're saying that people are less likely to be victims of random crime because 'many of the more violent incidents' happen within a family environment?

Yes, I'd agree. I fail to see, however, what this has to do with the rule of law in the country.

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travel into JB and Malaysia a lot, and stayed there for more than 5-yrs but I was up a couple of weeks ago and talking to local friends of mine there they do say it is getting much worse.

HOWEVER, most of the crimes reported are of assaults and car-jackings and from what i see the majority are in the 12-midnight to 5am time frame. No good is being done by anybody at 3am and you wouldn't catch me out alone at that time anyway......upshot, just keep your wits about you, even in Singapore.


Yes, indeed. Your friends are right. Crime is getting worse and worse here. It is spiraling out of control and the government is in denial about it, especially if the crimes are committed by Malays.

At first I was reluctant to believe that the media had a reporting bias and the government a complete and utter bias . . . but they clearly do. This is down to the 'entitlement' mentality and ego-inflation by the government for the majority population . . . quite astounding and disturbing.

Malaysia is definitely NOT a safe country by any standards.

Very sad to hear about the OP';s experience . . .
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Postby BigSis » Tue, 27 Apr 2010 2:36 pm

Yes, I'd agree. I fail to see, however, what this has to do with the rule of law in the country.


The OP's cous got stabbed, he indicated that he thought crime could be increasing here - I agreed with him - as far as I can see, nobody mentioned the rule of law.

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Postby raden888 » Tue, 27 Apr 2010 4:47 pm

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Yes, indeed. Your friends are right. Crime is getting worse and worse here. It is spiraling out of control and the government is in denial about it, especially if the crimes are committed by Malays.

At first I was reluctant to believe that the media had a reporting bias and the government a complete and utter bias . . . but they clearly do. This is down to the 'entitlement' mentality and ego-inflation by the government for the majority population . . . quite astounding and disturbing.

Malaysia is definitely NOT a safe country by any standards.

Very sad to hear about the OP';s experience . . .


I guess lots has change since I was last there..the Malaysian gahmen has been in denial for a long time especially with regards to the 'Mat Rempit' issue and 'daylight robbery' by taxi drivers, very soon Malaysia will end like The Philippines or perhaps is already in the same boat. They are good at PR spins but unable to walk the talk.Most of the politicians are only in office to make a quick buck.

.It used to be a very beautiful country with a lot of promise but isn't that typical of a lot of South East Asian nations..They all hold lots of promise! The local media is heavily censored so they can only report what the gahmen wants the populace to hear.

Singapore can very well go down that path especially with the high foreigner population whom might have different schools of thought when it comes to discipline . Strength in numbers. :roll:

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 27 Apr 2010 5:08 pm

raden888 wrote:I guess lots has change since I was last there..the Malaysian gahmen has been in denial for a long time especially with regards to the 'Mat Rempit' issue and 'daylight robbery' by taxi drivers, very soon Malaysia will end like The Philippines or perhaps is already in the same boat. They are good at PR spins but unable to walk the talk.Most of the politicians are only in office to make a quick buck.


Hey, I resent the remark!

The Philippine government was never good at PR spins in the first place. Unless you call BS-lying-through-your-teeth-in-denial-press-releases a good PR spin. Also, politicians are just not in it for a quick buck. They're also in it for a long term power grab. And also we don't have a race-based entitlement thing (no bumiputras there, no sirreee). You just need to be rich and well-connected to those in power--regardless of race.


(ok before somebody--cough, vaucluse, cough--posts a rebuttal, it's a joke, ok? very much like the campaigns going right now before the elections...)

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Postby raden888 » Tue, 27 Apr 2010 6:27 pm

nakatago wrote:


Hey, I resent the remark!


:wink: as in one of my previous posts...Nakatago for President but chances are slim. You have to be a Marcos, Aquino, Arroyo, Macapagal in order to get in. :mad:

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Postby Vaucluse » Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:45 am

BigSis wrote:
Yes, I'd agree. I fail to see, however, what this has to do with the rule of law in the country.


The OP's cous got stabbed, he indicated that he thought crime could be increasing here - I agreed with him - as far as I can see, nobody mentioned the rule of law.


The rule of law is inexorably linked to crime . . .

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It used to be a very beautiful country with a lot of promise but isn't that typical of a lot of South East Asian nations..They all hold lots of promise! The local media is heavily censored so they can only report what the gahmen wants the populace to hear.


Oh it still is a very beautiful country, it's the people who are buggering up the quality of life here. You can really see it in the people's attitude (generalising):

Chinese; scurrying to gather as much wealth as possible through any means . . . They know their time is limited here and want to get the heck out while the going is still good . . . but will stay for that extra dollar that may be grabbed. A mix of mainland and Singaporean attitude

Malay; becoming more and more demanding of their government to continue their entitlement binges. What used to be seen as assistance to develop is now firmly a right. After all, Malaysia is THEIR country and they are the bumiputeras. . . (if only history were taught correctly in schools they would see how ridiculous this assertion is.) They believe they have a right to government contracts over others as they are Malay!

Indians; finally schlepping themselves out of the plantations and going for education . . . the real losers in this place aside from

Orang Asli (Original inhabitants) . . . the government keeps them poor and uneducated so they can't become a thorn in their side and ridicule the bizarre notion of bumiputera status of the Malays. I mean, how can you declare yourself to be the owners of a country if you have a portion of the population already given the title of original inhabitants?!


Anyway; crime . . . ask any Malaysian (except for Malays) and the one thing they will tell you they admire about Singapore is the low level of crime. People here are sick and tired of how the country is being run down and the cops are simply there for self-enrichment.

I'll take Singapore any time . . .
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