road.not.taken wrote:Frankly I find it hard to follow the color schemed argument above. But what I do find interesting is that no one would consider me a slave (since hey, I stay on through my own free will, but when you consider this:
I work 14 - 16 hours a day
Have no guaranteed vacation time
Am on call 24 hours a day
Have responsibilities that exceed definition
Get no compensation for over time
All for exactly $0/hour
Well, then it gets pretty murky.
I am not sure how it happened ~ but I have never found myself on this side of the maid issue. I can say I have never considered our maids family members, nor would any of my family members take money to babysit my kids! Can you imagine? "Here Grandma, there's $20 for your trouble..." Ridiculous!
Well yes, in real life as a mother/wife/husband/whatever you don't perform family duties for a pay. But if you were to select a 'fair' pay for a family member who, say, worked for another family. It wouldn't be zero. I was trying to illustrate what one perceives is 'fair' when it's someone else doing the work (and then daring to say they're being treated like family), and what's 'fair' when it's our own put in the same circumstance.
Yes, we have brought maids back with us to the US twice. Disasters both times. We paid them their monthly rate for each week we were back even though they did much less work (and in fact really made more work, but that's another story). Each time they were allowed to choose between the US, home to the Philippines or stay at home in Singapore. Also our current maid makes a lot more than $400/month. Much more. Seems you have a lot of misconceptions influencing your indignation Splatted.
On holiday, or permanently? I should have been clearer. Are you able to relocate your maid permanently to the US after your contract finishes in Singapore? I'm certain there are minimum wage laws in the US.
Out of curiosity, how much does your maid get? I quoted $400 because I heard that's what my (distant) inlaws pay, so it's not a misconception.
How can you have 'distant' in-laws? Isn't it just a binary condition? I understand for geography reasons, but it's not like there are degrees of separation, like cousins...Splatted wrote:Out of curiosity, how much does your maid get? I quoted $400 because I heard that's what my (distant) inlaws pay, so it's not a misconception.
road.not.taken wrote:How can you have 'distant' in-laws? Isn't it just a binary condition? I understand for geography reasons, but it's not like there are degrees of separation, like cousins...Splatted wrote:Out of curiosity, how much does your maid get? I quoted $400 because I heard that's what my (distant) inlaws pay, so it's not a misconception.
'Distant', as in we are not on close terms, nor get invited to anything by them. I'm not talking about the geographic distance.
Anyway, you don't need to know how much our maid makes, I was only pointing out that you seem to want to lump all of us together and that's not a valid stance to keep arguing, even in this ridiculous diatribe. When you have a maid, you can choose to pay them overtime for babysitting, fair enough?
You're the one painted me with the general brush as having many misconceptions as to the 'going rate' .. so please enlighten me of my error? What's the general rate? And why be embarrassed to share what you pay? It's not like anyone here will meet you or know your real identity.
Oh dear. Splatted, some of us have met in person. It's uncouth to talk about such financial matters and you do have many a misconception, so a broad brush is the right tool! And on that happy note:Splatted wrote:road.not.taken wrote:How can you have 'distant' in-laws? Isn't it just a binary condition? I understand for geography reasons, but it's not like there are degrees of separation, like cousins...Splatted wrote:Out of curiosity, how much does your maid get? I quoted $400 because I heard that's what my (distant) inlaws pay, so it's not a misconception.
'Distant', as in we are not on close terms, nor get invited to anything by them. I'm not talking about the geographic distance.
Anyway, you don't need to know how much our maid makes, I was only pointing out that you seem to want to lump all of us together and that's not a valid stance to keep arguing, even in this ridiculous diatribe. When you have a maid, you can choose to pay them overtime for babysitting, fair enough?
You're the one painted me with the general brush as having many misconceptions as to the 'going rate' .. so please enlighten me of my error? What's the general rate? And why be embarrassed to share what you pay? It's not like anyone here will meet you or know your real identity.
meh, it's uncouth to label someone as having many misconceptions and not elaborate or back up what you mean. You are probably an exception and pay a higher rate. We'll never knowroad.not.taken wrote:Oh dear. Splatted, some of us have met in person. It's uncouth to talk about such financial matters and you do have many a misconception, so a broad brush is the right tool! And on that happy note:Splatted wrote:road.not.taken wrote: How can you have 'distant' in-laws? Isn't it just a binary condition? I understand for geography reasons, but it's not like there are degrees of separation, like cousins...
'Distant', as in we are not on close terms, nor get invited to anything by them. I'm not talking about the geographic distance.
Anyway, you don't need to know how much our maid makes, I was only pointing out that you seem to want to lump all of us together and that's not a valid stance to keep arguing, even in this ridiculous diatribe. When you have a maid, you can choose to pay them overtime for babysitting, fair enough?
You're the one painted me with the general brush as having many misconceptions as to the 'going rate' .. so please enlighten me of my error? What's the general rate? And why be embarrassed to share what you pay? It's not like anyone here will meet you or know your real identity.
and you've become great at this new dance.. the 'side-step'Vaucluse wrote:. . . and Splatted does another Phoenix impersonation again . . .
. . . but still makes no sense in relation to Singapore
Yes, it's everyone else, not you . . .Splatted wrote:and you've become great at this new dance.. the 'side-step'Vaucluse wrote:. . . and Splatted does another Phoenix impersonation again . . .
. . . but still makes no sense in relation to Singapore
.. ignoring the main point and focusing on trivialities when replying.
seems like road.less.taken has also been taking dancing lessons from you.
thanks Vaucluse for illustrating my point perfectly.Vaucluse wrote:Yes, it's everyone else, not you . . .Splatted wrote:and you've become great at this new dance.. the 'side-step'Vaucluse wrote:. . . and Splatted does another Phoenix impersonation again . . .
. . . but still makes no sense in relation to Singapore
.. ignoring the main point and focusing on trivialities when replying.
seems like road.less.taken has also been taking dancing lessons from you.
$30/hour?
And your experience in this field makes you uniquely unqualified to comment, really . . .Splatted wrote: Anyone reading back can see the main crux of my statement is that you are deluded / dishonest in your belief you treat a maid as good as a family member.
defend the undefendable
And do tell what sort of experience one needs to poke holes in the sort of nonsense you've been spewing here.Vaucluse wrote:And your experience in this field makes you uniquely unqualified to comment, really . . .Splatted wrote: Anyone reading back can see the main crux of my statement is that you are deluded / dishonest in your belief you treat a maid as good as a family member.
defend the undefendable
"Undefendable" was referring to your view point. But don't beat yourself up Vauclause, I wont hold your lack of qualification or literacy against you.Vaucluse wrote: As for 'defend the undefendable' (sic) . . . yes, well . . . unqualified and barely literate.
And here is the bait. If I say it's my last post, Vauclause resorts to personal attacks saying a person is clueless. If the poster comes back, he taunts him for coming back. Trollish behaviour by someone who knows they lost the argument long ago.Vaucluse wrote: (I have a personal bet on you saying 14 times that this will be your last post . . . only eight to go . . . you can do it)
Oh, and you too Vauclause.Vaucluse wrote: Have a nice day.
Splatted wrote:But again, I'll repeat,.. if the long hours and ridiculously low pay is what they knowingly signed up for before stepping foot in the country, then they got exactly what they wanted.
Actually the smallest of mercies for for a girls from some of the poorer countries can make the world of difference. Not a few filipinas love to have a mobile phone along with cosmetics and other worldly goods. I will leave it to your imagination just how some might pay for such commodities.Splatted wrote: Yeah, you give shampoo, soap, and board to your maid. OOOOhhHH.. such a charitable humanitarian. I can see clearly how the maid feels part of the family.
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