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EP Rejected Twice

Postby wasabi17 » Thu, 08 Apr 2010 6:29 pm

Hi!

Does anybody know how many times can we apply and/or appeal for an EP that has been rejected before we reached the max limit & there is no way we can re-apply/re-appeal anymore?

I've got a friend whose EP has been rejected the first time he applied for an EP even though he already found a job here and it was rejected again for the second time after he appealed for it. Now he is appealing again for the 3rd time.

Thanks a lot! :)

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Postby Strong Eagle » Thu, 08 Apr 2010 7:33 pm

Probably, your friend is shit out of luck. Assuming his own academic and experiential qualifications are in order, then he is being rejected because MOM does not believe that a foreigner on an EP is required to do the job... that there are plenty of locals who can do the same thing.

So... you can appeal again... and the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

The reality is that if your friend is qualified, it will be necessary for the employer to rewrite and re-justify the job so that MOM will see it favorably filled by a foreigner. But, with two rejections, I don't see that happening.

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Postby wasabi17 » Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:32 pm

Many thanks for the reply. I was thinking about the same thing as what you said, I feel that his position now can be easily filled by locals.

Now he is wondering how long / how many times he can keep trying to appeal & extending his social visit pass (by online extension or going in & out of Singapore) before the MOM or ICA finally told him to get out of Singapore & ban him from applying to get an EP again. Is it possible for this thing to actually happen?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:17 pm

Yes, he will soon run up against a brick wall at ICA on extensions. Number? Unknown. If they told us, then everybody would do it. Therefore they don't publish or give clues. I also don't think they remain consistent either.

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Postby wasabi17 » Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:43 pm

Many thanks once again. :)

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Postby wasabi17 » Thu, 22 Apr 2010 8:42 am

Yeah, he said he already had everything prepared, and now I heard he has been rejected again for the 3rd time...

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Postby morenangpinay » Sun, 25 Apr 2010 1:38 pm

try to write the appeal indicating the duties of the person and how he can contribute to the company. Check if the position is in the list in the MOM sometimes this helps too. Attach all the documents like education cert., experience cert., etc. The appeal must convey why the company is hiring a foreigner to do the job. Any special skills or language perhaps that makes the person more qualified. Anyway write a long letter, seems the MOM likes long letters.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Sun, 25 Apr 2010 4:28 pm

morenangpinay wrote:try to write the appeal indicating the duties of the person and how he can contribute to the company. Check if the position is in the list in the MOM sometimes this helps too. Attach all the documents like education cert., experience cert., etc. The appeal must convey why the company is hiring a foreigner to do the job. Any special skills or language perhaps that makes the person more qualified. Anyway write a long letter, seems the MOM likes long letters.


No, I don't think they like long letters at all. Here are a few examples of job descriptions that _might_ convince MOM to bring the person in on an EP.

a) The applicant has an in depth knowledge of our company's marketing strategy, and is integral to implementing that strategy through market development, advertising, and various PR activities.

b) The applicant possesses senior level project management skills, both soft skills and the ability to direct a project in excess of 2 million dollars. We have found local applicants but none have run a project of this size, and none have worked with expat managers, some of whom seem insensitive to the way things are done in Asia.

c) The applicant has a specialized skill set in that his prior employment background dovetails with the research we are doing to bring a product to market. While we might be able to train a local technician over time (and we hope to do that with product success), right now, our need is time critical for our research project.

d) The applicant has been responsible for harmonizing our supply chain logistics throughout Asia, and will continue to move the company forward in this area from a Singapore base.

What probably WON'T work:

1) Applicant has a technical degree and MSNC certification - oops, so do so many locals - BZZZ - no go.

2) Applicant has 3 years experience - yup, just like the locals - BZZ - no go.

3) Applicant has an accounting degree - a very popular degree for local university graduates so - BZZZ - no go.

4) Applicant will be selling for us - so why do you need the applicant instead of a local to do the selling - BZZZ - no go?

Here are a few things that might get you in (IT world):

a) NATIVE speaker of Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, OR extremely good English AND you have service desk experience.

b) Senior skills in database, security, data centers/servers, and communications.

c) Serious equipment rollout experience, or managed services implementation experience.

d) Experience as a solutions architect.

e) PM experience, especially multi country or multi supplier management experience.

f) Strong PC applications knowledge of a bunch of different applications.

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Postby morenangpinay » Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:54 am

i know some people who have been advised by the mom officer to write a long letter lol so might work,might not work.

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Postby purpled » Tue, 03 May 2011 12:26 pm

same situation here and the company has appealed for the for the second time since the second week of april. Im so scared to call them and ask for the results. sigh!

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Postby sonia.hota » Tue, 03 May 2011 5:52 pm

no thanks
Last edited by sonia.hota on Thu, 21 Mar 2013 2:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Postby JayCee » Tue, 03 May 2011 6:11 pm

Call them and ask

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Postby singaporeflyer » Tue, 03 May 2011 9:50 pm

sonia.hota wrote:Hi, I have a very similar problem. My EP was applied on 25th Jan 2011, and MOM rejected it. It is now through appeal from 7th February 2011. And I haven't still got it. I joined a start up, and they started setting up the office in January. All other colleagues in the company have got the EP.

I got my EP from my last employer within a week time. I changed employer and I am so surprised that I haven't got it this time and its taking so long. Its been more than 3 months and status is still pending.

Can any one please advice? It will be much appreciated.

Many thanks,


May be the result of the appeal was informed to the employer? Because processing time would be usually 3- 5 weeks.

How many years of experience do you have in Singapore and in Total?

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Need Help on EP

Postby royal_rohan » Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:14 pm

Hi Guys,
i m new to this site and need some help.
I have an offer from very Big compnay in Singapore for IT Consultant. I have applied for EP but my UK visa was refused 5 yrs back due to false documentation. Can i get EP now? I have travelled to USA also twice after that and have valid visa.

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Re: Need Help on EP

Postby ksl » Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:00 am

royal_rohan wrote:Hi Guys,
i m new to this site and need some help.
I have an offer from very Big compnay in Singapore for IT Consultant. I have applied for EP but my UK visa was refused 5 yrs back due to false documentation. Can i get EP now? I have travelled to USA also twice after that and have valid visa.
I have applied for EP but my UK visa was refused 5 yrs back due to false documentation
Criminal offence I'm very surprised the USA let you in at all! If it's on record I doubt Singapore will have you. If you do not declare it, then that's another offence, that why I'm so surprised you got into the states. Unless you have been up to your old tricks!


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