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PR Rejected. Not specify when to reapply.

Postby indigo.man » Mon, 05 Apr 2010 9:50 pm

Hi. guys.

I applied for PR last year (june), but it was rejected at august last year, they asked me to reapply in 6 months time. So i Reapply my PR at end of february this year. and i just got my rejection letter today.

The letter that i got didn't specify when to reapply like last time, but it state this:
"We regret to inform you that your application has not been successful. Nevertheless, you can continue to work and reside here on your valid Work Pass."

I have 5 years of experience in Software development, and i also work in Singapore for 1 year plus now, i also had worked in Malaysia for 1 year before came to Singapore.

Anyone have experience this situation before? Any suggestion. I hope my post did not offend any one, as i know it is the right of each country to grant foreigner a PR. But I really enjoy staying here , and i need advice on how and what to do next, regarding my PR application.

Thanks

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 05 Apr 2010 10:38 pm

Wait 2 years and reapply. At the moment, you apparently don't have what the government thinks it needs. Not meaning to be hard, but you are not the first nor the last. If you stay here for 2 more years on an Employment Pass, they may well reconsider their position. Or, you could appeal their decision and hope they don't flag the file.

As an aside, I was rejected initially, appealed and was rejected again. I waited two more years and reapplied and was given PR. I've been a PR now for 17 or 18 years now. Oh, I was given the same advice, to wait two years, but I insisted on trying the appeal route to no avail. I don't actually know anybody who has successfully appealed yet, to be honest. I'm sure there are some but I don't have any anecdotal evidence to support it.

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Postby indigo.man » Mon, 05 Apr 2010 11:15 pm

Hi, sundaymorningstaple.

Thanks for replying my post. I don't really understand when you said "you could appeal their decision and hope they don't flag the file. ". Can you explain further, as I don't really understand the term. Sorry.

Thanks for the time. Any other suggestion? All advice will be appreciate.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:33 am

Flagging something. A marker to warn anybody else looking at the file (all applications & appeals will have the same FIN number) that the file has already been rejected as non-desirable. I am not saying they would, but it's as possibility not that they are tightening up on granting PR.

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Re: PR Rejected. Not specify when to reapply.

Postby Saint » Tue, 06 Apr 2010 8:23 am

indigo.man wrote:"We regret to inform you that your application has not been successful. Nevertheless, you can continue to work and reside here on your valid Work Pass."



Are you employed here on a Work Pass (WP) rather than a Employment Pass (EP)? Could be major reason for the rejection. But as SMS has said and it's be widely quoted on the forum, that there's no point applying for PR until after 2 years.

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Postby indigo.man » Tue, 06 Apr 2010 8:39 am

Hi, sundaymorningstaple

I hope my application was not flagged, so that there will be a chance for me re-apply next time. I understand that you had advice me not to appeal, but will it be impolite if I called ICA and check with them the reason why is it rejected?

I have checked the reference number from my previous rejection letter and the one that i just got yesterday, the reference number is identical. Is it normal to have same ref number for 2 different PR application? I was just wondering, who know they looked at the old information that i submitted last year.

Thanks for the time. I appreciate it a lot.
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Postby indigo.man » Tue, 06 Apr 2010 8:44 am

Hi, Saint.

I am on employment pass, will be due to expire at the end of next year. Actually this is my second term of employment pass, meaning I had renew it last year.

I am thinking of replying really next year, by then i will have stay in Singapore for 2 years. But i hope my application was not flagged.

Thanks for you reply.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:39 am

indigo.man wrote:Hi, sundaymorningstaple

I hope my application was not flagged, so that there will be a chance for me re-apply next time. I understand that you had advice me not to appeal, but will it be impolite if I called ICA and check with them the reason why is it rejected?

I have checked the reference number from my previous rejection letter and the one that i just got yesterday, the reference number is identical. Is it normal to have same ref number for 2 different PR application? I was just wondering, who know they looked at the old information that i submitted last year.

Thanks for the time. I appreciate it a lot.


You whole life history is in one folder. The reason most appeals are not successful is that the appeal is seen by the same person who reviewed the application in the first place. Often, like immigration officers world-wide, they are gods unto themselves and normally don't have to answer to noone. So, in theory, if they get up on the wrong side of bed or their wife cuts them off, they may well take it out on the applicant. (Take this with a grain of salt and wink-wink - they have more professionalism than that). But yes, no matter how many times you apply and are rejected or ultimately approved, it ends up in the same folder.

Normally appealing doesn't do anything unless you have something additional to add to the original application that is RELEVANT AND DOCOUMENTARY. Otherwise, it's really a waste of time. That's why they say wait and reapply in 2 years. The new application will show an additional two years of staying power here, which is a strong showing that you may want to sink roots rather than just using the PR for the advantages it offers as an open ended Visa.

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Postby revhappy » Tue, 06 Apr 2010 3:26 pm

@indigo.man, Are you married? Do you have kids? If yes, Did you apply as a family? If not that could be the reason.

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Postby indigo.man » Tue, 06 Apr 2010 5:43 pm

Hi, sundaymorningstaple

Thanks for your explanation about PR appeal. I am so sorry to have repeat this question, because Singapore PR is important to me. Is there anyway for me to find out why it was rejected, without go through appeal process?

Is there any Immigration Expert that i can meet to do consultation on this matter?

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Postby indigo.man » Tue, 06 Apr 2010 5:44 pm

Hi, revhappy

I am not married, still single. Any other possibility?


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Postby Saint » Tue, 06 Apr 2010 5:58 pm

indigo.man wrote:Hi, revhappy

I am not married, still single. Any other possibility?


Thanks.


Well the main reason is, as we've mention before, is that you haven't even been here 2 years yet.

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Postby indigo.man » Tue, 06 Apr 2010 6:26 pm

Hi, Saint

I agree with that too. I will apply again next year. But again it is not mention on the later as how long should i wait before i can apply. It just simply said "We regret to inform you that your application has not been successful. Nevertheless, you can continue to work and reside here on your valid Work Pass."

Thanks.

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Postby FaeLLe » Tue, 06 Apr 2010 7:40 pm

indigo.man wrote:Hi, Saint

I agree with that too. I will apply again next year. But again it is not mention on the later as how long should i wait before i can apply. It just simply said "We regret to inform you that your application has not been successful. Nevertheless, you can continue to work and reside here on your valid Work Pass."

Thanks.


Doesnt matter. They just think you are not worthy of it.

Give it two more years (minimum) and try again. Be patient it should work out.

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Postby indigo.man » Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:10 pm

Hi, FaeLLe.

Thanks for your advice, I will wait until i have stay in Singapore for 2 years then will try to re-apply again.

Again thanks for your advice.


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