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Employment Pass Rejected

Postby papakutkut » Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:09 pm

Hi All,

My wife's S pass just got rejected by the MoM. I wanted to know what happens now ? She is currently on a Short term visit pass.

- Is there a stipulated time that we need to wait for before looking for another job and applying for an EP again ?
- If she transfers to a dependent pass then does the situation change in anyway ?

Any guidance will be appreciated ....

Thanks

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Re: Employment Pass Rejected

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:55 pm

papakutkut wrote:Hi All,

My wife's S pass just got rejected by the MoM. I wanted to know what happens now ? She is currently on a Short term visit pass.

- Is there a stipulated time that we need to wait for before looking for another job and applying for an EP again ?

What is your status here? If you are on an EP, just apply for a dependent's pass for her. If your are a PR, just apply for a ltsvp.

- If she transfers to a dependent pass then does the situation change in anyway ?

She doesn't have to leave Singapore until you do.

Any guidance will be appreciated ....

Thanks


Apply for a Dependent's Pass immediately if you are on an EP. If you are on an S pass then you have a different kettle of fish. She may have to leave the country and return. As far as a period of time? She can start looking for another position yesterday. No waiting period. If she was rejected for her qualifications you might have a different problem, but if it was because of the employer not being able to convince MOM that they needed to hire a foreigner that she still has a chance with another employer.

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Postby papakutkut » Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:56 am

Thanks a lot for your reply.....in regards to her qualifications I guess she was over qualified for an S pass position with 5 years of relevant experience behind her back....she is a masters in psychology from a reputed Uni in India (she infact was a topper) ....so I guess qualifications shouldnt have been an issue.....just one more thing I needed to clarify :

In case of a dependent pass-
- when she gets one, and also if she gets a job, how does it normally work....i mean is her job linked to mine (e.g) If I am with company A and she starts working with company B after getting dependent pass, does it mean that if I leave company A, her job is linked to mine and she will be in trouble again ?

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Postby FaeLLe » Fri, 26 Mar 2010 1:28 am

Yea your wifes DP would be dependent and linked to your EP. Let her work for two years and you two should file for PR together.

That would fix everything...

Looks like things are getting better. My classmates have got their PRs approved with wifes with just a year of working in Singapore now, just do it after filing income tax.

papakutkut wrote:Thanks a lot for your reply.....in regards to her qualifications I guess she was over qualified for an S pass position with 5 years of relevant experience behind her back....she is a masters in psychology from a reputed Uni in India (she infact was a topper) ....so I guess qualifications shouldnt have been an issue.....just one more thing I needed to clarify :

In case of a dependent pass-
- when she gets one, and also if she gets a job, how does it normally work....i mean is her job linked to mine (e.g) If I am with company A and she starts working with company B after getting dependent pass, does it mean that if I leave company A, her job is linked to mine and she will be in trouble again ?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 26 Mar 2010 7:14 am

Even if she is on a dependent's pass, if the potential employer applies for an EP for her it's no problem. Actually it's better cause then it's not tied to your pass. That way, when/if "you" lose your job, she doesn't. :wink: But working with a Letter of Consent while on a DP is the 2nd best option as it does allow her to work.

Oh, by the way, she wasn't over-qualified :roll: for an S pass. Unless the degree is recognized by Singapore, it doesn't matter what the degree is in or how much experience she has. More than likely, though, the employer could not justify to MOM why they needed to hire a foreigner.

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Postby black eagle » Fri, 16 Jul 2010 5:38 pm

my girl fri applied Spass for 2 times and rejected for both time.
Is there any affect in applying Dependent pass?
Currently I m holding EP,
Does she need to be in SG at the time of applying DP?

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Postby Strong Eagle » Sat, 17 Jul 2010 8:56 am

black eagle wrote:my girl fri applied Spass for 2 times and rejected for both time.
Is there any affect in applying Dependent pass?
Currently I m holding EP,
Does she need to be in SG at the time of applying DP?


a "girl fri" cannot apply for a DP.

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Postby black eagle » Mon, 19 Jul 2010 9:30 am

how about after marriage?
is any affect from rejected spass on DP?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:07 am

As she would already have a file with the MOM, if you got married, there is no guarantee that MOM would give her a dependent's pass as it would appear that the marriage was one of convenience just so she could get a dependent's pass and then work on a Letter of Consent. MOM isn't stupid and the sooner the people realize this the better it will be for them as when they try to do an end run around MOM and get caught, there are long term repercussions.

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Postby black eagle » Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:55 am

Hi everybody,
These days I heard a lot of rejection for Employment pass as well as S pass, renewal and new application. I would like to find new job, and afraid of rejection my pass. Please advice.
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:25 am

You buys your ticket and you takes your chances. It's pot luck any more. We've seen 'em rejected on renewals and on new applications and we've also gotten new ones given at the same time. Doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor reason. There is an old saying though......

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. You could put in an application and if you get an in principle approval, then resign from your current company but not before receiving an IPA. The problem with doing this though, is if your HR happens to put your FIN into the system, it will pop out the current status of any application you might have filed. It won't tell them what company it is, but it will tell them if you have a submitted/pending/approved in principle application there. That could put your current job in jeopardy as well then. It's a gamble any way you go. Or, as Dirty Harry put it. Do you feel lucky?

Oh, by the way, as I have 25% of my workforce as S pass holders, I have standing instruction for my HR exec to input my S Pass holder's FINs that are within 6 months of renewal into the system 2x a month just to check to see who's applying elsewhere. I'm sure other employers do as well. :wink:

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change of employment and my history

Postby tosureshkumar.mano » Mon, 17 Oct 2011 5:02 pm

Hi

iam currently working in singapore and iam changing my job..the new Recruiter has asked me to fill up my EP application form to apply for new pass and my current employee will cancel my existing EP once my new pass application is approved.


But my concern is due to my history....i was once a PR of singapore (from 1996 to 2000 ) and cancelled it due to my studies. last year when i applyed for a EP it was delayed and finally it was approved after writting a letter to MOM regarding my reason for pr cancellation .. the reson as follows

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Letter to MOM

Reason for renouncing of my SPR status: I was granted dependant PR (My father is a SPR till date) in year 1996 and it was renounced in year 2000 .The reason to renounce my SPR status is due to my education. In year 1997 I got admission in Arulmigu Kalasalingam college of Engineering (Madurai Kamaraj University), Tamil nadu, India to pursue my bachelor degree in Electronics and communication engineering which was a 4 years degree (1997-2001). So I have to be in India to complete my Engineering degree. During my Period of SPR status, due to my circumstances I had a very few chance to come to Singapore (only 3-4 months visit during my Period of SPR(1996-2000)) and I had no chances to obtain the social economic benefits of being SPR and I was not able to perform my duties as SPR.
************

my concern here is..will this affect my new EP application (change of employment) ..

now currently working in singapore

can anybody help me on this
thanks
suresh

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 17 Oct 2011 6:03 pm

All that information will already be in your file. It's be sorted already, so it shouldn't be any problem.

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change of employer

Postby marco rossi » Sat, 07 Jan 2012 5:30 pm

good day,

I'm an epass holder. I started working October 11. Jan 11 will be my 3rd month. I just want to ask, will it be safe if I apply for another job after my confirmation? will I be approved by MOM if I do that? or is it just going to be risky?

I've read at MOM's website that there'll be no need to cancel current epass if you're to change employer.

Or should I ask, when is the best time for me to change employer or to apply for a different job? some says after 3, some says after 6 months. Pls advice. Thanks. :)
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Re: change of employer

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 07 Jan 2012 6:39 pm

marco rossi wrote:good day,

I'm an epass holder. I started working October 11. Jan 11 will be my 3rd month. I just want to ask, will it be safe if I apply for another job after my confirmation? will I be approved by MOM if I do that? or is it just going to be risky?

I've read at MOM's website that there'll be no need to cancel current epass if you're to change employer.

Or should I ask, when is the best time for me to change employer or to apply for a different job? some says after 3, some says after 6 months. Pls advice. Thanks. :)


First you need to learn how to comprehend exactly what you read.

I've read at MOM's website that there'll be no need to cancel current epass if you're to change employer.


This means, while your are looking for a new employer or after having found a suitable employer willing to give your ungrateful arse a job, the new employer is free to apply for a new pass. However, the issuance of the new pass is contingent on the current employer canceling yourpass in a timely manner. If you don't give the proper notice, the current employer may well hold your pass until the notice period would have been up, e.g. one month from the day you notify them that you want to quit. Additionally, the possibility exists, (if the HR exec has an HR Manager like me who instructs mine to check our employee's FIN numbers on the MOM site at least once a month). The current employer cannot see who the applying company is, but they can see whether or not an application has been made, whether it's pending or approved.

This can lead to the sad scenario of being sacked for "lack of corporate fit" and sent home.

One other thing to think about. The new employer will know that you will jump ship for any reason. Therefore, in the slightest downturn, wonder who will be first out the door. I know who it would be if it were me running your HR and I knew you jumped ship after 3 months with your previous employer. This is a small island. It might be well to bear that in mind.


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