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Postby ksl » Tue, 06 Apr 2010 1:28 pm

Oops sorry I forgot the link Commercial law and business regulations.

http://www.singaporelaw.sg/content/Lega ... Commercial

Agreed that some rules maybe changed, however because of law, these rules maybe appealed against, by quoting what is commercial law for residents.

Basically MOM is a representative arm with a job to do, so they have that flexibility to change rules to control the manpower in Singapore.

To have a legislative change is a very big step, that I don't see happening in commercial law, has they try to remain on an international acceptance by agreement. Rules by governing bodies will change when required to do so, without effecting commercial laws is my point. DP working is probably a rule, though immigration maybe involved in the decision making...I would believe the number of applicants for setting up business is really insignificant and lets face it, if a Pte Ltd is growing, it is more than likely the person will apply for another pass. You are also right to think they should be allowed to pay 50,000 because it appears to be unfair, the reality is different, they dp holders, like PR's and citizens are people residing in Singapore under commercial laws, foreigners living outside are not covered by the commercial laws...that is probably why MOM can change the rule of applicants. However more visibility is required

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Postby movingtospore » Tue, 06 Apr 2010 5:23 pm

Andy - did you submit your LOC online through EP online, or manually?

If you did it online did you have a Singpass?

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Postby andy_woodward » Tue, 06 Apr 2010 5:47 pm

I submitted manually by post, yes i do have a Singpass but thats a sinch once you have a DP, apply online get it in the post in a couple of days.

Let you know the outcome prob two weeks time.....

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 06 Apr 2010 5:59 pm

You can get instant on the spot SingPass' at these localtions:

https://www.singpass.gov.sg/sppubsvc/location1.html

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Postby movingtospore » Wed, 07 Apr 2010 9:25 am

Apparently DP holders can NOT apply online for an LOC, regardless of the fact you have a Singpass. And lucky enough to get a Singpass that actually works.

Applications need to go by snail mail. Note address here:

http://www.mom.gov.sg/publish/momportal ... yment.html

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Postby ksl » Wed, 07 Apr 2010 12:14 pm

movingtospore wrote:Apparently DP holders can NOT apply online for an LOC, regardless of the fact you have a Singpass. And lucky enough to get a Singpass that actually works.

Applications need to go by snail mail. Note address here:

http://www.mom.gov.sg/publish/momportal ... yment.html


That is correct you have to pick up the Letter of Consent from MOM and then have it filled in by your sponsor.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Wed, 07 Apr 2010 12:58 pm

movingtospore wrote:Apparently DP holders can NOT apply online for an LOC, regardless of the fact you have a Singpass. And lucky enough to get a Singpass that actually works.

Applications need to go by snail mail. Note address here:

http://www.mom.gov.sg/publish/momportal ... yment.html


It is the company that applies. You would need to set your company up under MOM's online system to file for an LOC.

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Postby movingtospore » Mon, 12 Apr 2010 4:48 pm

Yeah but as a DP holder you can't be the appointed person from the company to apply. Or so they said when I called to ask why I couldn't log in. Most annoying.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Mon, 12 Apr 2010 6:03 pm

movingtospore wrote:Yeah but as a DP holder you can't be the appointed person from the company to apply. Or so they said when I called to ask why I couldn't log in. Most annoying.


This is why I think setting up a private limited is a far better way to go even though it is more costly to set up and somewhat more of a hassle to run.

The circular logic applied here for a SP is actually correct... you need to get a LOC to run the business to apply for an LOC. Perhaps you know a citizen or PR willing to undertake being boss?

As a director and shareholder of a pte ltd, you have sufficient status to request the LOC and you do not have a LOC to be a director or shareholder. Further, I think that a pte ltd is treated more seriously as an entity by MOM and future requests like getting your own EP will be more readily granted. And it makes setting up a company bank account a breeze.

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Postby movingtospore » Tue, 18 May 2010 2:05 pm

Just wanted to update everyone on this. I think (though it's not actually in my hands yet), that I have finally received a letter of consent to work for myself. Woo hoo.

This thread is long, so to summarize, in my experience this may be the best way to do this (until the rules are changed again, anyways):

1. Apply for a Singpass
2. Register your sole proprietorship through ACRA.
3. Print out a letter of consent application from MOM. Google the right page - dependent's pass and letter of consent - as it is not easy to find on the main page.
4. Mail the LOC and supporting docs to the office for international work permits:


http://www.mom.gov.sg/publish/momportal ... yment.html

Be sure to include:
- A letter authorizing yourself to hire yourself on behalf of your business (I'm not saying this makes sense, this is just what they want), and explaining why it makes sense to do it this way vs the entrepass route.
- If you don't have a corporate stamp for the actual LOC form, write n/a in that field and explain in an additional letter that you don't need a stamp for your business, and hence your signature is sufficient.
- photocopies of your passport, dependent's pass, your partner's employment pass, etc.
- a copy of your acra profile

That should do the trick. At least this week! Talking to the front-line staff at MOM is really a waste of time, don't bother. If you need to talk to MOM, ask to speak with a manager in the international work permit division and don't take no for answer.

pm me if you need a contact name at MOM. Once you get higher up the food chain there people are very helpful, and they realize the process for sole proprietors is problematic. Good luck to others, hope your process is less painful than mine was. I try to keep reminding myself that if we had moved to the good old us of a I still wouldn't even be allowed to work.

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Postby x9200 » Tue, 18 May 2010 3:38 pm

International work permit? What's that?

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Postby Strong Eagle » Wed, 19 May 2010 12:22 pm

x9200 wrote:International work permit? What's that?


I think that all work permits are international in nature, and the ministry of manpower has several other divisions that have nothing to do with work permits.

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Postby x9200 » Wed, 19 May 2010 6:40 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:
x9200 wrote:International work permit? What's that?


I think that all work permits are international in nature, and the ministry of manpower has several other divisions that have nothing to do with work permits.

Sounds a bit like you would have a permit to work internationally in any country...kinda light blue passport.

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Postby bethnalgreen » Thu, 20 May 2010 9:45 pm

movingtospore wrote:pm me if you need a contact name at MOM. Once you get higher up the food chain there people are very helpful, and they realize the process for sole proprietors is problematic. Good luck to others, hope your process is less painful than mine was.


Hi movingtospore. I am in the exact same position. I'm here on a Dependant's Pass and wanting to set up as a sole-proprietor, which is what I have been operating in London. My service wouldn't make sense for the new Entrepass scheme either; it's just me, offering very specialised consulting.

I am so pleased to read your post. I really want to PM you, but am completely new to this board so don't have the permission to. Is it too much to ask if you could PM me with the contact at MOM?

You have really made my day!

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Postby movingtospore » Mon, 24 May 2010 7:49 pm

Beth, I sent you a pm.

Sorry folks it is actually the International Manpower Division.

Good luck.


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