NS questions

[natsuhiboshi]

hi, i'm 17, m, taking private o's this year. i was wondering if there is still any chance for me to go japan for studies? or maybe even migrate to japan?

[Mad Scientist]

hi, i'm 17, m, taking private o's this year. i was wondering if there is still any chance for me to go japan for studies? or maybe even migrate to japan?

If you are a Sger or SPR, the answer is BIG NO. You have to complete your NS first at 18 , then go to Japan for studies. To apply for Exit Permit with 18 looming on your head might only get you One Year EP unless you can provide $75K bond or two sureties that guarrantees you to come back and serve the NS. Do not talk about migrate as that will never come to the table with NS issue not solve

[beppi]

I am not against "wasting" two years to serve a worthy goal, it's just that learning to kill people just to serve the goals of arrogant nation states isn't my idea of "worthy" and thus I am against my kids having to do that.
If there were a non-military alternative, like in some European countries (I served 18 months in a hospital for the elderly), I'd be very much for it!

[Mad Scientist]

Beppi

SG is NOT the only country that has compulsory military service
Even the US has the Draft when turn 18.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_service.

[sundaymorningstaple]

After a nation is overrun by an aggressor, it's too late to train a defensive army, I would think. Where I come from we call that slamming the gate closed after all the horses have bolted!

How long do you think any country would last without some form of military defense force? Especially a small city-state. The US has a completely volunteer military service at the moment as has done since 1975 since VN ended and the draft was Mothballed (not abolished - you must still register with the Selective Service when you turn 18). It is kept on the books because one never knows when enough Americans won't feel patriotic enough to enlist, so it's there to fulfill the country's military requirements. Believe me, if Singaporeans weren't required, by law, to do NS, there would be absolutely nobody here to defend the country nor man the police or civil defense forces either as all of these are supplied through MHA and the National Service Statutes.

[natsuhiboshi]

then lets say i can come up with the 75k bond. am i allowed to study there? for at least 2 years?

[sundaymorningstaple]

Doubtful, but why don't you apply and find out then let us know how it goes. Who knows, you might get lucky. They gave my son a 5 years deferment to study at NAFA here in Singapore with only N levels. Stranger things have happened. But to allow you, already 17, to go overseas to do tertiary studies? I wouldn't gamble an answer.

Edited to add:

After reading you other post, with only a PSLE education, the answer is no.

[natsuhiboshi]

but i'm taking o's this year, i was thinking if i failed maybe i could study there. if i passed i would definately study here.

[Mad Scientist]

but i'm taking o's this year, i was thinking if i failed maybe i could study there. if i passed i would definately study here.

OP : yu wrote on the other post, you have not learned Japanese language which is a prerequisite to study in Japan. What can you possibly learn in Japan when you only have PSLE under your belt.

Get your O first then go to NS then decide what to do next. You should be studying hard now as O level is nearing instead of joining this forum talking about things that a little bit far for you to reach at this moment

[natsuhiboshi]

okay, thanks for your advice.

[natsuhiboshi]

i have just called up mindef and asked. I will be allowed to apply for an exit permit to study in japan up to diploma or a-level equivalent. as long as my course starts next year.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Unless you are fluent in Japanese you are going to have a bit of a problem in passing the entrance exams in Japan. But, good luck anyway.

[natsuhiboshi]

the course i'm taking is being taught in english. and i'm also taking part time lessons in japanese right now, and continueing when i'm there.

[Mad Scientist]

i have just called up mindef and asked. I will be allowed to apply for an exit permit to study in japan up to diploma or a-level equivalent. as long as my course starts next year.

Maybe I am wrong on this , so please correct me. Yes, they will allow you no doubt BUT you have to either get 2 sureties OR post the bond . As you are nearing NS age, this is the requirement. Moreover to go there you need to apply Exit Permit, you need to submit which school you are attending there i.e pre acceptance. Though to go Japan you do not need visa BUT for studies there you do.
Have you done this ? Who you spoke to Mindef OR CMPB ? Two different place. One in Bukit Timah and the other in Dover Road.

[natsuhiboshi]

yes you're right about everything. i spoke to mindef. i'll be doing everything on tuesday.

oh and do i need to speak to both mindef and cmpb?