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Postby BazaY » Thu, 28 Jan 2010 3:21 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:"Should foreign ambassadors be held liable for their illegal actions in foreign countries that they are assigned to?"


YES!

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Should diplomats be extradited back to the country they committed the crime in if they do a runner like a coward?


YES!

sundaymorningstaple wrote:... should citizens of the same country be allowed into the country the crime was committed in while the fleeing diplomat remains at large?


if by international laws, all citizens of one country can be found responsible of the crime an individual committed in another country, ... then yes.

I'm not at all into laws and diplomatic international relations, but by common sense, one committing a crime (when found guilty) should be held responsible of his actions, no matter what country he comes from, or the country he committed his action.
IMHO, time will clarify all these.

We can debate and give many similar examples. At the end, we can all make a personal judgement and act accordingly.

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Postby BazaY » Thu, 28 Jan 2010 3:25 pm

I'm sure the Singapore Government will find the best resolution for this problem, and will act accordingly, in the interest of all Singapore citizens.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 28 Jan 2010 4:00 pm

BazaY wrote:I'm sure the Singapore Government will find the best resolution for this problem, and will act accordingly, in the interest of all Singapore citizens.


Citizens. Yes. Others? time will tell. :wink:

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Postby jpatokal » Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:26 pm

Putting on the serious hat for a change:

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Actually, I think that would be an excellent topic.

"Should foreign ambassadors be held liable for their illegal actions in foreign countries that they are assigned to?"

and to go further on the same topic,

Should diplomats be extradited back to the country they committed the crime in if they do a runner like a coward?

Short answer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_immunity

Long answer: Yes, that actually is pretty much how it works. While Singapore cannot charge a fully accredited diplomat, they can request that Romania waive the guy's immunity and either extradite him back to Singapore to face trial or try him for the same crime in Romania -- and, in this case, I'd give pretty good odds of this happening, because murder is about as serious an offense as it gets, his actions had nothing whatsoever to do with his job and the EU generally keeps its diplomats in line.

Things only get problematic when you're dealing with some basketcase regime where all diplomats are relatives of the local big kahuna who will never be extradited no matter they do... but even then, most countries figure this is the price you pay to avoid having your own diplomats get thrown in jail in some third-world hellhole on trumped-up charges.

Incidentally, things like this have happened before in Romania... only last time the guy killed was Romanian and the American prep got away scot-free. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teo_Peter

and one step further, should citizens of the same country be allowed into the country the crime was committed in while the fleeing diplomat remains at large?

That seems to be Gaddafi's approach: his son Hannibal -- who isn't even a diplomat -- was briefly detained in Switzerland after beating up several hotel staff. In response, the Brotherly Leader broke off diplomatic relations, boycotted all Swiss goods, arrested all Swiss nationals in the country and slapped them with 16-month jail terms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland-Libya_conflict
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Postby ioana » Thu, 07 Feb 2013 5:11 pm

Hi,
This is a very old thread, but I am wondering if BazaY is still around to answer my question.
I am also Romanian and in same situation now, I want to get a LTVP for my boyfriend (who is actually British) and MoM requires a letter from the Romanian Embassy.
BazaY, did you ever manage to get that pass, and if so how did you get the document for it?
Thanks you!

BazaY wrote:update:
MOM application form for LTDP requires a paper from the National Local Embassy proving that the 2 are common-law spouse.
Well ... depending on the country you come from, this may not be so straight fw.
We are from Romania, and in the romanian law, common-law spouse does not exist. If common-law spouse does not exist then the embassy will not be able to provide that paper. And without the paper from the embassy, it is impossible to apply to.

only in june, romanian law will recognize the fiancee status, but I do not know if fiancee=common law spouse.

q: fiancee=common-law spouse ?

Any other thoughts ?

thanks

PS: On the other hand, romanian consul in Singapore is "out of the game" for a while. Apparently he has some unsolved "driving problems" :(. I was able to speak only with another employee which may not have all info. :(


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