I couldn't agree more with you! It takes evolution in all faiths, some like the changes others don't, though i feel sorry for those that are forced into marriages without having any say in the matter. Traditions are complicated and as much a problem as religion I believe, and evolution comes in stages for all species and we very rarely notice the subtle changes. Though we do notice the backward steps!leona123 wrote:Would be wonderful if everyone felt the same way.ksl wrote:Love after all is stronger than any religion, but people are born with identities and it is not right to ask people to change identity, for love or marriage.
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It's unfair that its more complicated for a non-muslim man to marry a muslim women.
I'm Catholic and my husband is Muslim but we are actually both Atheist. Our child has no religion. Things have worked really well for us and we never encountered any religious issues from anyone including family. If we did we would send them to hell anyway. We had a civil marriage and also an islamic ceremony (in a land where race and religion holds no boundaries!). I wasn't keen on the islamic wedding but it was very much for my own protection. I never converted and was never asked to by anyone. Although the Imam at our Islamic ceremony did hand me a bunch of booklets and suggested a visit to some 'sisters' at the mosque.
I'm Catholic and my husband is Muslim but we are actually both Atheist. Our child has no religion. Things have worked really well for us and we never encountered any religious issues from anyone including family. If we did we would send them to hell anyway. We had a civil marriage and also an islamic ceremony (in a land where race and religion holds no boundaries!). I wasn't keen on the islamic wedding but it was very much for my own protection. I never converted and was never asked to by anyone. Although the Imam at our Islamic ceremony did hand me a bunch of booklets and suggested a visit to some 'sisters' at the mosque.
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That imam and your husband's family seems to be the rare exception then.Blue Sapphire wrote:It's unfair that its more complicated for a non-muslim man to marry a muslim women.
I'm Catholic and my husband is Muslim but we are actually both Atheist. Our child has no religion. Things have worked really well for us and we never encountered any religious issues from anyone including family. If we did we would send them to hell anyway. We had a civil marriage and also an islamic ceremony (in a land where race and religion holds no boundaries!). I wasn't keen on the islamic wedding but it was very much for my own protection. I never converted and was never asked to by anyone. Although the Imam at our Islamic ceremony did hand me a bunch of booklets and suggested a visit to some 'sisters' at the mosque.
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Yeap, life is about freedom to make the choice for ourselves, not what our friends, spouses, lovers, families, religions or cultures want us to do. One more week and it will be Martin Luther King Day in the USA. In school my kids learn this song.ksl wrote: I would like to see freedom not condemnation.
(sing to the tune of Twinkle Twinkle)
Freedom, freedom, let it ring.
Let it ring said Dr King
Let us live in harmony.
Peace and love for you and me.
Freedom, freedom let it ring.
Let it ring said Dr King.
Did you thought that civil law would not be able to protect you? Why should always non-muslims have to compromise under such situations? Why a non-muslim spouse never consider converting to other religion OR in your case why you did not have a civil + church marraiage?Blue Sapphire wrote:It's unfair that its more complicated for a non-muslim man to marry a muslim women.
I'm Catholic and my husband is Muslim but we are actually both Atheist. Our child has no religion. Things have worked really well for us and we never encountered any religious issues from anyone including family. If we did we would send them to hell anyway. We had a civil marriage and also an islamic ceremony (in a land where race and religion holds no boundaries!). I wasn't keen on the islamic wedding but it was very much for my own protection. I never converted and was never asked to by anyone. Although the Imam at our Islamic ceremony did hand me a bunch of booklets and suggested a visit to some 'sisters' at the mosque.
Or are there any such cases which are not highlighted ?
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Because in some countries, religious law takes precedence over any other law or religious law IS the law. Period.Expat_guy wrote:Did you thought that civil law would not be able to protect you? Why should always non-muslims have to compromise under such situations? Why a non-muslim spouse never consider converting to other religion OR in your case why you did not have a civil + church marraiage?Blue Sapphire wrote:It's unfair that its more complicated for a non-muslim man to marry a muslim women.
I'm Catholic and my husband is Muslim but we are actually both Atheist. Our child has no religion. Things have worked really well for us and we never encountered any religious issues from anyone including family. If we did we would send them to hell anyway. We had a civil marriage and also an islamic ceremony (in a land where race and religion holds no boundaries!). I wasn't keen on the islamic wedding but it was very much for my own protection. I never converted and was never asked to by anyone. Although the Imam at our Islamic ceremony did hand me a bunch of booklets and suggested a visit to some 'sisters' at the mosque.
Or are there any such cases which are not highlighted ?
In most Islamic practices, converting out of Islam is considered, "undesirable" to put it mildly.
"A quokka is what would happen if there was an anime about kangaroos."
I agree with the legal aspect. I have two friends (both European and former catholics) who married girls from KL (one couple still lives there, the other is in Europe right now). To all intents and purposes they could not get married without converting to live there. Even to visit there on holiday if the guys had not converted they would have the whole kalwhat (close proximity) stuff to deal with, separate hotel rooms etc.nakatago wrote:Because in some countries, religious law takes precedence over any other law or religious law IS the law. Period.Expat_guy wrote:
Did you thought that civil law would not be able to protect you? Why should always non-muslims have to compromise under such situations? Why a non-muslim spouse never consider converting to other religion OR in your case why you did not have a civil + church marraiage?
Or are there any such cases which are not highlighted ?
In most Islamic practices, converting out of Islam is considered, "undesirable" to put it mildly.
The other thing with this is why is islam so hard and fast. Why can you not leave it, is free will not allowed? I expect the answer to that is that it is written in the book, and as the contents of it are 'perfect' they cannot be questioned.
I don't think Islam caters to cross-cultural marriages, after all it's teachings have not evolved one bit in 1400 years, and I don't expect they were very common back in the Dark Ages.
As long as you do what they tell you and never question - it is (the same as all the rest of themExpat_guy wrote:Ho! Death for leaving Islam!!Vaucluse wrote:It is not possible to leave Islam, it is considered apostasy . . . and is punishable by death - according to their 'good book'.
So, anyone leaving Islam is an apostate
(Not prostate!!!!)
I was of the opinion that Islam is a peace loving religion.

Actually, Jaycee, you are not correct.JayCee wrote:As long as you do what they tell you and never question - it is (the same as all the rest of themExpat_guy wrote:Ho! Death for leaving Islam!!Vaucluse wrote:It is not possible to leave Islam, it is considered apostasy . . . and is punishable by death - according to their 'good book'.
So, anyone leaving Islam is an apostate
(Not prostate!!!!)
I was of the opinion that Islam is a peace loving religion.)
Care to elaborate on both your assertions?
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Doesn't history prove that religion is not at all peaceful?Vaucluse wrote:Actually, Jaycee, you are not correct.JayCee wrote:As long as you do what they tell you and never question - it is (the same as all the rest of themExpat_guy wrote: Ho! Death for leaving Islam!!
I was of the opinion that Islam is a peace loving religion.)
Care to elaborate on both your assertions?
It is not a matter of religion not being peaceful. I find little in most religions that make them anything but.JayCee wrote:Doesn't history prove that religion is not at all peaceful?Vaucluse wrote:Actually, Jaycee, you are not correct.JayCee wrote: As long as you do what they tell you and never question - it is (the same as all the rest of them)
Care to elaborate on both your assertions?
Rather, it is people that bastardise religion for their own purposes that make religion what it is - both in the past and present.
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