Aaah religion....A husband is to love his wife as Christ loved the church. He has the God-given responsibility to provide for, to protect and to lead his family. A wife is to submit graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ.
the problem with quoting scripture--from any religion--to justify anything is that you assume the other guy interprets said scripture the same way as you do.beenthere wrote:^^ That sounds like a Southern Baptist to me
I should know my in-laws used to be one of those...
Aaah religion....A husband is to love his wife as Christ loved the church. He has the God-given responsibility to provide for, to protect and to lead his family. A wife is to submit graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ.
Where do I sign up?leona123 wrote:According to Islam, the testimony of woman is half that of man because women are deficient in their mind. Women's inheritance is NOT the same as that of men. Men are maintainers of women. Women cannot say no to sex else they will be cursed by angels. Women are like tilth and men can have sex with them whenever they want. Whole lot of other things.
There is nothing like universal truth. Whatever is there, that is only POV of some individuals, be it Mohamad, Jesus, Buddha or whoever.beenthere wrote:^^
Well said!
Depending on my POV, I can find selective quotes from any religion to support my prejudices. In fact, in the quote above, the preceding and subsequent lines not quoted do change the tenor of that paragraph.
I normally do not participate in on-line discussions on religion any more unless I smell some underlying prejudices.
And you are absolutely right, my universal "truth" may not be your universal "truth". Unless we agree on the axiom that forms the basis of any belief system (I am using terms from epistemic logic), our interpretations will always get in the way of rational discourse.
Everyone is entitled to interpret scriptures their own way and live their lives according to the way they interpret their scriptures. However, when they interpret the scriptures their way and also want to enforce their thinking by using the law so that the masses have to follow, that's where the problem lies.beenthere wrote:^^
Well said!
Depending on my POV, I can find selective quotes from any religion to support my prejudices. In fact, in the quote above, the preceding and subsequent lines not quoted do change the tenor of that paragraph.
I normally do not participate in on-line discussions on religion any more unless I smell some underlying prejudices.
And you are absolutely right, my universal "truth" may not be your universal "truth". Unless we agree on the axiom that forms the basis of any belief system (I am using terms from epistemic logic), our interpretations will always get in the way of rational discourse.
LOL.JayCee wrote:Where do I sign up?leona123 wrote:According to Islam, the testimony of woman is half that of man because women are deficient in their mind. Women's inheritance is NOT the same as that of men. Men are maintainers of women. Women cannot say no to sex else they will be cursed by angels. Women are like tilth and men can have sex with them whenever they want. Whole lot of other things.
Actually, to be fair to Islam, this is one thing that has been obviously deliberately changed to be used against Islam in most anti-islamic websites. But, if you look at the quran and ahadith, it has no mention that a victim or rape has to produce 4 male witnesses. In fact, what is stated in the quran(if I remember correctly) is that if a guy is accusing a woman of adultery, he needs to have 4 male witnesses. I'll post the quotes later and you can see that it is definitely taken to mean something else deliberately.Expat_guy wrote:For eg. as per sharia law, a woman who is a victim of rape has to produce 4 male witnesses to testify in her favour or else she may be punished for telling false and tarnishing the reputation of an 'honorable man'. There are some countries which are following such antiquated laws, and there are some countries where there is a possibility of such laws to be imposed.
Just dropped you an emaillilprincess wrote:Hi leona123, i tried to PM you but can't (not enuf post yet LOL).
I am having the same problem as you... inter-racial relationship *headache* Would like to seek for some advise from you... if you dun mind sharing.
My email address [email protected]
Thanks a million
.Just dropped you an emaillilprincess wrote:Hi leona123, i tried to PM you but can't (not enuf post yet LOL).
I am having the same problem as you... inter-racial relationship *headache* Would like to seek for some advise from you... if you dun mind sharing.
My email address [email protected]
Thanks a million
.As mentioned earlier, the quotes from the quran by 3 famous translators are as follows:leona123 wrote:Actually, to be fair to Islam, this is one thing that has been obviously deliberately changed to be used against Islam in most anti-islamic websites. But, if you look at the quran and ahadith, it has no mention that a victim or rape has to produce 4 male witnesses. In fact, what is stated in the quran(if I remember correctly) is that if a guy is accusing a woman of adultery, he needs to have 4 male witnesses. I'll post the quotes later and you can see that it is definitely taken to mean something else deliberately.
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