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Postby utopia » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 8:12 am

ozchick wrote:And as an Aussie from Melbourne I've just got to say that I'm absolutely embarrassed and appalled :(


There are a couple aspects that I believe should be seriously discussed among Aussies, and I'm referring to crimes, not just the perceived racial trageting.


1/ How/why the state of crime is what it is in Australia.

2/ Is there -really- a critical mass of Australians that consider the state of crime to be a 'pressing and immediate' problem that requires rectification?

3/ If so, What are the possible ways and/or changes in the Australian law to rectify the state of crime?

4/ and followed by ; how does the average Joe/Jane campaign for these changes to be executed?

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Postby Splatted » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 4:53 pm

ozchick wrote:Well God only knows what the media reaction will be over the murder of the little Indian boy. The suburb of Sunshine in Melbourne is already the brunt of much ridicule and derision. It's avery poor working class area and will gain even more notoriety with this news.


Actually, the boy disappeared from Lalor, a northern suburb rather than western suburb.

Not much info released to media about this case.

My first question would be, where were the parents when the boy 'vanished'?

Having both a nephew and a niece, I know that neither child gets to wander for more than a few meters away from either a parent or family member.

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Postby utopia » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 7:16 pm

Splatted wrote:Not much info released to media about this case.
My first question would be, where were the parents when the boy 'vanished'?


There's quite a bit of info on http://www.news.com.au which answers those questions.

Meantime, so far Indian media coverage has been restrained.
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 148722.ece

On the same token, 'vanished' is harsh considering that the facts hasn't been established.

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Postby Splatted » Fri, 05 Mar 2010 8:43 pm

utopia wrote:
Splatted wrote:Not much info released to media about this case.
My first question would be, where were the parents when the boy 'vanished'?


There's quite a bit of info on http://www.news.com.au which answers those questions.

Meantime, so far Indian media coverage has been restrained.
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 148722.ece

On the same token, 'vanished' is harsh considering that the facts hasn't been established.


Not trying to speculate anything, or suggest anything, the story just sounds a bit incomplete.

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Postby ksl » Sat, 06 Mar 2010 1:13 am

utopia wrote:
ozchick wrote:And as an Aussie from Melbourne I've just got to say that I'm absolutely embarrassed and appalled :(


There are a couple aspects that I believe should be seriously discussed among Aussies, and I'm referring to crimes, not just the perceived racial trageting.


1/ How/why the state of crime is what it is in Australia.

2/ Is there -really- a critical mass of Australians that consider the state of crime to be a 'pressing and immediate' problem that requires rectification?

3/ If so, What are the possible ways and/or changes in the Australian law to rectify the state of crime?

4/ and followed by ; how does the average Joe/Jane campaign for these changes to be executed?


1. Genetics don't lie
2. I've never been there though, i know the UK shipped off all the criminals
3. Limited its another UK, more of a social issue and people don't like laws.
4. Will not make any difference

Though Australia is more open and trying hard, the only ones to swing it are the people themsleves, like in UK and I don't see it happening.

My sister lived there in Aus for 15 years from the age of 20, gangsters actually carried waist coat gun harnesses back then in Sydney in the 60's, though most of her time was spent in Tasmania.
Don't forget this is British politics no matter what, by that I mean it is irrelevant of what party is leading genetics, are much stronger, so quite natural that the whites wan't to stay in power....sounds racist I know, but that is life under white rule, which i don't agree with, just like I don't agree with a jock in charge of British interests.

No i don't have anything against Scotland other than they can be savages at times, I recall the scotch weekends down in my City across the border Blackpool and Morecambe back in the 60':lol: Good combat training sessions, that's why they are also feared around the world in battle. I love the Scotch and the Irish too but the Brits are wankers, that's why they was shipped off to Australia...No ethics and no identity :lol: Now the Welsh, Irish and Scottish have true roots that matter : wink:

Though its very unfair on the rest of Australia......people are just people like anywhere else, so its important to get the statistic right.

I know lots of Brits will Bitch and call me all the names under the sun, but my life is dedicated to those that have died and suffered for the UK nothing less So before spouting off think carefully, My question is how do you remain loyal when blood is thicker than water and I have tried it being neutral. Go easy it is 01.48 am on a Saturday morning :)
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 06 Mar 2010 6:58 am

And you reckon all the trouble in Aus is now being caused by a couple of hundred descendent's at most of them that was shipped to Aus from the UK? That the troublemakers in Aus is all descendents of criminals & thugs from the UK alone? :o :???:

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Postby ksl » Sat, 06 Mar 2010 1:31 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:And you reckon all the trouble in Aus is now being caused by a couple of hundred descendent's at most of them that was shipped to Aus from the UK? That the troublemakers in Aus is all descendents of criminals & thugs from the UK alone? :o :???:
Of course not, though it doesn't help, anti social behaviour and crime are closely related, if crime pays, they are going to do it... Prisons become like holiday camps in today's society, if crime rates are escalating, there are reasons for it, probably bad education or the lack of brain power :wink:
Not to mention the influx of refugees!
That's also why Australia is still recruiting low skill labour...majority of locals just don't make the grade and end up as criminals...no different to most Countries, that cannot manage their population needs. :-| I don't know about a few hundred ....160,000 is reported here that is much more than my home City have today. 50,000 shipped off to New England so i wonder, could there be any correlation in crime rates.

Denmarks crime rate doubled when the refugees where let in back in the 80's and the influx destroyed the Danish welfare system too. England took in thousands of criminals from East Europe too.

Life changes for all of us, its the trend and not a lot can be done about it, no matter how one complains...human rights of today, are on the side of criminals :roll:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/nov20 ... -n01.shtml

The Australian judiciary is on par with the UK mentality of jailing anyone for petty crimes, the UK has the highest prison population in Europe. Though we are far behind the US, must be the fault of 50,000 cons we shipped to New England :lol:

An interesting fact I discovered, was 10% of prisoners are ex soldiers in the UK, which again leads me to believe that government fail them on rehabilitation, it wouldn't surprise me that they are all suffering combat stress and are jailed for petty crimes.

The link above gives a good insight into Australia's problem

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Postby Vaucluse » Sat, 06 Mar 2010 2:58 pm

KSLK, I always thought you were a fairly normal poster but your last few posts here show what an ill-educated moron you are.

As SMS already mentioned, the number of convicts sent to Australia was minimal compared to today's population. Many traveled onwards after their sentence.

Do you know why some of them were deported? Stealing was the most common crime . . . that makes them genetically criminals? May I ask impolitely how educated you are?

Ok, let's dissect your posts:

That's also why Australia is still recruiting low skill labour...majority of locals just don't make the grade and end up as criminals..


Links to your assertions., please. Both your comment on recruiting low-skill labour is incorrect and your following comment is simply worthy of a buffoon like you. Please substantiate your comments. Here, I'll make your job easier: http://www.immi.gov.au/ Please study the immigration criteria

50,000 shipped off to New England so i wonder, could there be any correlation in crime rates.


Why don't you do the research instead of throwing out your ludicrous ideas?

Denmarks crime rate doubled when the refugees where let in back in the 80's and the influx destroyed the Danish welfare system too.


Links, please. Oh, and Denmark's past s littered with viking lore, is it not? Therefore Danes must be genetically predispositioned to rape and murder. Bloody Danish rapist scum. Are you a rapist, KSL?

1. Genetics don't lie

The data can be manipulated to suit someone's weak opinion. I'll ask again, Are you a rapist, KSL?

2. I've never been there though, i know the UK shipped off all the criminals


That's ok, one doesn't need to have been to a country to discuss it . . .

3. Limited its another UK, more of a social issue and people don't like laws.


I thought you said you hadn't been there . . . this is subjective argumentation and makes you look like a silly little man. 'People don't like laws?' Is that as good as your argumentation gets? How old are you? 12?

4. Will not make any difference

Your crystal ball is where? care to add a few more generalisations, KSL.

My sister lived there in Aus for 15 years from the age of 20, gangsters actually carried waist coat gun harnesses back then in Sydney in the 60's, though most of her time was spent in Tasmania.


Can you make an even more stupid comment? I'd love to see some links or data on the carrying of weapons harnesses . . .

I mean it is irrelevant of what party is leading genetics, are much stronger, so quite natural that the whites wan't to stay in power


Hey, Einstein . . . Australia is over 96% Caucasian . . .

I love the Scotch and the Irish too but the Brits are wankers, that's why they was shipped off to Australia...


You are aware that the Scots and (N.) Irish and Welsh are all British . . . Oh, I guess not . . . which makes you a fool to continue to postulate on other countries or populations

So before spouting off think carefully,


Quite . . . possibly you should follow your own advice. No, make that; definitely follow your own advice

I have tried it being neutral


Yes, that is quite plain to see. As neutral as a mental midget can be

Go easy it is 01.48 am on a Saturday morning


Oh, I see . . . it's the grog talking . . . still doesn't detract from you being an idiot . . . but I will take everything back if you can back up your statements . . . and apologise. Your moronic ramblings. however, will make for interesting reading as you try to justify or back up what you dribbled onto the thread.

Oh, are you a rapist, KSL, like the old Vikings from your past?
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Postby road.not.taken » Sat, 06 Mar 2010 3:17 pm

ksl wrote:1. Genetics don't lie


Yikes, some of the convicts that came over on the first, second and third fleets were as young as 9 and as old as 70 and sentenced to an average of 7 years for stealing items like cheese, bacon and lace. Genetic deviants? I don't think so... :roll:

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Postby ksl » Sat, 06 Mar 2010 4:35 pm

Nice post Vaucluse! I accept your criticism with open arms! :)

My post was kind of sarcastic and dumb, with no research at all, so you are quite right, though i was hoping for SMS reaction first :wink: You aren't Australian by an chance :lol: My apologies to all, i did my best to wind you all up :oops:

Though I will look for some research and take it a little more seriously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Australia

Back in the 60's many Australians had the right to weapons, it wasn't until the radical changes came I can probably provide pictures of an Australian wearing gun harness in the snooker halls back in Sydney in the mid 70's my sister does have them.

It wasn't until mid 90's that gun controls started, which was a total failure,

http://www.calnews.com/archives/Metcalf13.htm , crimes increased....
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 06 Mar 2010 5:57 pm

ksl wrote:My post was kind of sarcastic and dumb, with no research at all, so you are quite right, though i was hoping for SMS reaction first :wink: You aren't Australian by an chance :lol: My apologies to all, i did my best to wind you all up :oops:


Why would I have any reaction to it?

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Postby ksl » Sat, 06 Mar 2010 6:22 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
ksl wrote:My post was kind of sarcastic and dumb, with no research at all, so you are quite right, though i was hoping for SMS reaction first :wink: You aren't Australian by an chance :lol: My apologies to all, i did my best to wind you all up :oops:


Why would I have any reaction to it?
Because you always do :lol: I was baiting and caught the wrong fish :lol: all in good fun mind :P

My apologies to all Australians it is a sensitive subject, i should have known better! :oops:

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Postby Vaucluse » Sat, 06 Mar 2010 7:38 pm

Here you go, KSL . . . maybe a bit of factual reading instead of your booze-filled rants m aye be in order:

Most of the convicts were thieves who had been convicted in the great cities of England. Only those sentenced in Ireland were likely to have been convicted of rural crimes. Transportation was an integral part of the English and Irish systems of punishment. It was a way to deal with increased poverty and the severity of the sentences for larceny. Simple larceny, or robbery, could mean transportation for seven years. Compound larceny - stealing goods worth more than a shilling (about $50 in today's money) - meant death by hanging.


http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/ ... /convicts/


And speaking about Danish genetics:

Why do more Danes than Germans or your much-hated British (including N. Irish, Scots and Welsh) commit suicide? How can your superior Danes have a higher rate of suicide than these guys? Is it a genetic pre-disposition to do so or is it because intellectual stimulation is at a lower level, you being a good example, how about being an insignificant little turd of a country hanging off northern Germany? Or is it because you and the Fins are closely related (that's a throw-away line, by the way). Danes and Fins pretty much same-same. (that's a throw-away line, by the way)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate

(That is quoting a source instead of talking out your arse, KSL)
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Postby EADG » Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:45 pm

Call me crazy but there's just a whole lotta love on this forum...
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Postby ksl » Sun, 07 Mar 2010 2:59 am

EADG wrote:Call me crazy but there's just a whole lotta love on this forum...
I guess all trolls love each other :P :x to a certain extent :) we have our moments. Even though we disagree, a tactical approach is diplomatic.

The world in turmoil, the genocide in Africa and a useless UN what does it it tell all of us from history to today. Life doesn't change only politics, and the crimes are a lot worse today, than they was back in the colonial days.


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