My wife actually works for a school in Melbourne that mostly has Indian full-fee paying students. Most of the refunds in student fees she processed in the last few weeks had to do with student visa applications getting rejected more than any other reason.revhappy wrote:The number of Indian students to Australia have actually plummeted by 50%!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8444870.stm
Can't be . . . the Indian media has spokenSplatted wrote:My wife actually works for a school in Melbourne that mostly has Indian full-fee paying students. Most of the refunds in student fees she processed in the last few weeks had to do with student visa applications getting rejected more than any other reason.revhappy wrote:The number of Indian students to Australia have actually plummeted by 50%!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8444870.stm
And:
The latest murder of an Indian, was apparently done by fellow Indians
I can't find anything similar to the Indian media's outcry in Russian newspapers, the foreign ministry doing a Khrushchev, talks of trade embargoes . . . I'm sure the percentage of Russians attacked or killed in India is higher than vice versa . . . Two wrongs do not make a right, yet where's the condemnation or even the self-analysis by the Indian givernment?
India holds two over Goa 'assault on Russian child'
Police in the Indian city of Mumbai have arrested a second man over an alleged sexual assault on a Russian girl aged nine holidaying in Goa.
The detainee, who was named as Aman Bharadwaj, was due to be brought back to the resort region on Saturday, police told Indian and Russian media.
A man named as Anil Raghuvanshi was earlier arrested in Goa.
The girl's mother said she had been distracted by one man while the other attacked her daughter in Arambol.
India's PTI news agency said the two men arrested had been working together as assistant machine operators in Goa.
Other alleged attacks on Russian tourists in Goa, one of India's most popular tourist destinations, have been reported in Russia in recent years.
The region was the focus of intense media coverage in 2008 over the rape and murder of a British teenager holidaying there.
Two men were held in connection with that case and were later released on bail as investigations continued
This has got to be the most far fetched statement in this whole thread !!Nath21 wrote:
But just to for refernce more australians are murdered in india than indians in australia each year....
Without taking away some of the truth in your argument 1 and 2 (Although enough of that 1.2 Billion are VERY educated), the point 3 above just ruins it for you. What have you been smoking lately? That argument is applicable other way around i.e. to explain the unrest in Pakistan.Vaucluse wrote: 1) Mindless nationalism
2) An undereducated population (in this case of 1.2 BILLION)
3) A government feeding off the feeling of impotence that not being able to best one's neighbour for decades and decades (Pakistan)
I don't smoke . . . anything, it's against the law!!!!hg wrote:Without taking away some of the truth in your argument 1 and 2 (Although enough of that 1.2 Billion are VERY educated), the point 3 above just ruins it for you. What have you been smoking lately? That argument is applicable other way around i.e. to explain the unrest in Pakistan.Vaucluse wrote: 1) Mindless nationalism
2) An undereducated population (in this case of 1.2 BILLION)
3) A government feeding off the feeling of impotence that not being able to best one's neighbour for decades and decades (Pakistan)
Oh yes, there certainly are very well educated people in India . . . but the flaming of xenophobia and crass nationalism is not directed at them, is it?Although enough of that 1.2 Billion are VERY educated
Yes, that's true. But the history of Indo-Pak relationship is too complex to be described by just the K-Word !!. US and its pro-Pak policy to counter India's early USSR leaning has played a big role as is current Chinese policy to use Pakistan as a counter weight against India's growing size and influence. Kashmir is NOT a cause for these troubles, its the RESULT of these troubles. (Output versus Input, if you get what I mean)Vaucluse wrote:
Surely you'd agree that the many wars between India and Pakistan weigh heavily on both countries' consciousness . . . with Kashmir a festering sore on the face of Indian nationalism?
There you go again with that impotence argument ! Firstly Pakistan is not as small anymore. Its #7 in the list of countries with most people (compared to Australia at#55) and secondly, just for the record, India won each of those wars you mentioned. Its Pakistan Military junta that feels impotent for having lost a lot of land (Bangladesh) as a result of these wars and blames India perpetually for it. As a result they carry on with a singular national agenda. Its a complex socio-religious thing, something I will advise no one to venture out discussing without having their facts right. Sure, media on both sides is jingoistic and blows everything out of proportion but any one who believes that India has been the impotent one in all this, needs to get his head examined.Vaucluse wrote:
The impotence of a huge country like India to settle the dispute against a country so very much smaller and with a fraction of the population grates like sand in your board shorts.
Dog had a sense of humour at least, he called the Ganges a Sparkling Stream instead of the world's largest sewer.revhappy wrote:Talking about India and Pakistan there is this joke that circulates in Cyberspace:
God was in the process of creating the universe. And he was explaining to his angels ... "Look, everything should be proportionate. For every 10 deer there should be one lion. Look here my fellow angels, here is the United States. I have blessed them with prosperity and money. But at the same time I have given them insecurity and tension.... And here is Africa. I have given them natural beauty. But at the same time, I have given them climatic extremes.... And here is South America. I have given them lots of forests. But at the same time, I have given them less farmland so that they would have to cut down the forests... so you see, everything should be in balance. "
One of the angels asked... "Lord, what is this beautiful country here?" God said "That is the crown jewel. India. My most precious creation. They have understanding and friendly people. Sparkling streams, majestic mountains. A culture which reflects their great tradition. Technologically brilliant and with hearts of gold." The angel was quite surprised "But Lord you said everything should be in balance."
God replied "Look at the neighbours I gave them"
Oh yeah? and guess you are a bigger expert on this then all of Independent international experts. Read the Wikipedia on Indo-Pak wars (don't believe either side's govt's claims) and Google how Bangladesh was created in 1971 while you are at it.Vaucluse wrote:
Don't fret, I am quite well versed in that part of history, but can't be arsed to go into detailed socio-economic explanations, but to say that India came away victorious is simply laughable.
I am not in the habit of putting my feet in my mouth and so usually check my facts before posting. See what talking through your hat has landed you into-Vaucluse wrote: And . . . ahem . . . whether you are number two or number 7 or 55 is a huge difference . . . Using real numbers is more credible.
There I agree with you. I don't know enough of Australia's local culture and its "way of living" to argue with anyone who being a local must know more. On the same lines, I would recommend, you cut your loses and stop arguing with me, an Indian, on Indo-Pak history !!Vaucluse wrote: Irrespective of which, the problem regarding the OP is still a matter of the government flaming the fires of nationalism to cover up widespread problems . . .
hg wrote:Oh yeah? and guess you are a bigger expert on this then all of Independent international experts. Read the Wikipedia on Indo-Pak wars (don't believe either side's govt's claims) and Google how Bangladesh was created in 1971 while you are at it.Vaucluse wrote:
Don't fret, I am quite well versed in that part of history, but can't be arsed to go into detailed socio-economic explanations, but to say that India came away victorious is simply laughable.
I don't think I mentioned that I'm a 'bigger' expert than anyone, but don't let that hold you back from slightly exaggerating . . . but it does show that you let your emotions get in the way of presenting your point of view.
I am quite aware of how B-D came about . . . yet I'd prefer many other sources to Wiki
I am not in the habit of putting my feet in my mouth and so usually check my facts before posting. See what talking through your hat has landed you into-Vaucluse wrote: And . . . ahem . . . whether you are number two or number 7 or 55 is a huge difference . . . Using real numbers is more credible.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_p ... population
Again, you are bordering on insulting, but not to worry as it lets you down again. Please re-read what I said, or rather, I'll explain it again. It doesn't matter if it is the number two against number seven or 55. In this case the actual numbers are far more relevant . . . we are talking about 1.2 billion v. 200 million . . . the rank is relatively less important than the actual number.
There I agree with you. I don't know enough of Australia's local culture and its "way of living" to argue with anyone who being a local must know more.Vaucluse wrote: Irrespective of which, the problem regarding the OP is still a matter of the government flaming the fires of nationalism to cover up widespread problems . . .
Not really, often locals know less of what is happening in their own backyard than informed people living across the globe.
On the same lines, I would recommend, you cut your loses and stop arguing with me, an Indian, on Indo-Pak history !!
You underline my point exactly. Being Indian, in this case, does not automatically give you more information about subjects, particularly history, than others. It is the research and accrual of knowledge from various sources that rounds out this knowledge.
Listen, this is just an Internet forum and people can say whatever they want (Like our good old pal SMS above who thinks Ganges is world's largest sewer !!).
You disagree that the Ganges is a polluted waterway? This information is readily available from scientific studies . . . and one need not be a local to know that.
I usually leave posts where I have no value to add but at times the statements are so far off the track that its hard to resist.
Agreed, but it should all stay in the realm of the positive. It is, after all, just an exchange of views.
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