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Postby Superglide » Sat, 23 Jan 2010 2:06 am

revhappy wrote:2 more Indians attacked in Australia yesterday...


Can I give you a word of advice?

As long as you play the victim, you will be a victim. Once you realise that and you say you're a winner, a whole new world opens itself: the world of a winner.

And you know what?



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They're just winners.
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Postby x9200 » Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:48 am

Talking about "racism"...

Wang, a Taiwanese-American strategy consultant who goes by the Web handle "jozjozjoz," thought it was funny that the camera had difficulties figuring out when her family had their eyes open. So she posted a photo of the blink warning on her blog under the title, "Racist Camera! No, I did not blink... I'm just Asian!"


http://www.time.com/time/business/artic ... 43,00.html

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Postby aster » Sun, 24 Jan 2010 2:34 pm

I find it odd that anyone would single out Indians like that, especially as they are non-violent, speak good English, love cricket, I mean they have a lot more in common with Australians than people from other parts of Asia. Plus I regard Indians as completely non-violent, so couldn't have instigated any trouble.

Seems like someone in the news is playing with the stats...

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Postby bembenk » Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:21 pm

I believe that low crime doesn't mean no crime. Every place shall have crime risk, it's only a probability.
But still, I dunno much about Melb, maybe u can try not to dress too tidy, too neat...or whatever
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Postby Vaucluse » Mon, 25 Jan 2010 3:03 pm

Melbourne . . . population app. 4.5 million . . . crime happens. Fools exist.

Racially motivated? FMD, mate . . . you need to settle a bit
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Postby mrHomeLook » Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:39 am

people just need to know how to get along. killing never solves anything. another thing, the young mucks got to learn how to drink responsibly
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Postby ozchick » Tue, 26 Jan 2010 8:30 pm

Crime in Melbourne IS an issue. It's a big city. I don't feel safe when I'm home there especially in the city area. Night or day. Even out in the leafy Eastern suburbs I watch my back in shopping centres, at ATMs etc.
Some of the crime IS racially motivated no doubt about it. Even the various new Asian arrivals have warring battles between themselves with gang warfare, machete-attacks and the like.
Melbourne, like many parts of Oz has, without consensus, become very multi-cultural in too-short a time-frame. It hasn't been accepted by the population in general but of course the more educated know the politically correct thing is to just go with it...every country in the world has similar issues. The morons of course will always find it hard to accept change. They fear the unknown and they resent the lack of consultation. "Spot the Aussie" is a common phrase when you're an outnumbered Aussie back home. You can feel like you're somewhere else. These feelings, fuelled by drugs, alcohol, resentment and the insular nature of many Aussies aren't going to dissipate in a hurry.
Very lenient sentencing by Australian courts in general is another issue entirely. Where's the deterrent?
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Postby revhappy » Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:20 am

2 more Indians attacked in Australia yesterday...
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Postby nakatago » Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:33 am

I can't, for the life of me, fathom why you would do a 'crimes against Indians in Melbourne' watch in the singaporeexpats forum. You're concerned about the safety of Indians in Melbourne--I get that. You've voiced your opinions and so did the other visitors of this thread. But why keep at it?!? Why keep posting stories of such attacks?!? Why do you have this morbid fascination about Indians getting the shaft in Melbourne, and in a Singapore board no less?!?

(The more astute members of our audience, of course, realize that I'm just asking questions the answers to which I already know. But indulge me here...) :???: :???: :???:

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Postby Nath21 » Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:15 pm

The police have instiagted new stop and search powers which is another stripping of civil liberties in response to this. But fact is as everyone has stated inidians students like most students have little money work late nights, live in crappy areas and are soft targets. There was the same amount of crime in figures for +60's in assualts in victoria as assaults on indians (around 1,100 from the vic crime for Calendar year 2009 which is not unusally high in any city of melbourne size). Again soft targets by gutless thugs. The police also put a dossier together for the Indian diplomats which show 68% of attackes were committed by people under the age of 21. It also shows a seriously high arrest rate for these attackes with only two of the highest 18 cases remaining unsolved (one was the murder in the park and I cant remember the other one). A lot of the attackes from gorups of youth are made up of mixed race australians who are bored, drunk and stupid.

But just to for refernce more australians are murdered in india than indians in australia each year so ther is a massive degree of sensationalist propoganda going on. That dosent take away from the fact that I think police are doing everything they can. I wouldnt work and live in the areas where most of the attacks are happening and the city is just a big fight club at the moment after about 11pm (indian or not).

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Postby pravnash » Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:49 pm

Superglide wrote:
revhappy wrote:2 more Indians attacked in Australia yesterday...


Can I give you a word of advice?

As long as you play the victim, you will be a victim. Once you realise that and you say you're a winner, a whole new world opens itself: the world of a winner.

And you know what?



Winners ain't got a race, religion or ethnicity.

They're just winners.


The first constructive post in this thread !!

Well said buddy !
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Postby Vaucluse » Wed, 27 Jan 2010 3:25 pm

Nath21 wrote:
But just to for refernce more australians are murdered in india than indians in australia each year


Where is the outrage in our media? Where are the masses rioting in Pitt Street burning effigies of swarthy, hirsute men?

I have checked the travel advisory on the Foreign Office website . . . nothing aside form the usual 'Don't drink the water and don't sniff people's armpits.'

Where is the outrage? :(
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Postby moloch71 » Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:02 am

ozchick wrote:Crime in Melbourne IS an issue. It's a big city. I don't feel safe when I'm home there especially in the city area. Night or day. Even out in the leafy Eastern suburbs I watch my back in shopping centres, at ATMs etc.
Some of the crime IS racially motivated no doubt about it. Even the various new Asian arrivals have warring battles between themselves with gang warfare, machete-attacks and the like.
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You are very right on alot on what you said ozchick, but some things you didnt cover:
1. Newspapers are in the busieness of selling stories - if people are interested in these biased reports it will fuel the focus.
2. All this attention ENCOURAGES idiots to 'go bash an indian'. Its like the time when your parents told you not to do something, so it becomes like a challenge.
3. One thing that hasnt been covered in this thread, and Ive heard from indian friends I know here (Im in melbourne right now if you didnt realise), is that indian students on visas are soft targets; if they try to defend themselves and end up coming off better in a conflict they might face deportation. Better just not to resist, or even better, not to report - this makes them good targets for serious criminals.

Melbourne is definately a rougher place than Singapore, but it doesnt make it dangerous. You just have to be aware of your security and not make yourself a target - Ive never been bashed, but then I dont walk around late at night, by myself, in seedier parts of town !
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Postby k1w1 » Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:58 am

Not entirely the same thing, but recently there was outrage in Auckland when the Indian community there felt there was racism directed at Indians.

A young girl (aged 2) had gone missing from a backyard while playing with her sister. Eyewitnesses came forward and said they saw the little girl talking to a woman in the street. The media went into hyperdrive, and there was huge coverage of the case with the police as there was the child had been abducted.

Two weeks prior, a young Indian man in his 20's had gone missing after a night on the turps. His family were worried that something bad had happened to him. Some of his belongings were found on K-Road (a notorious night spot), and he had not been at the school he was enrolled in for weeks etc.

The Indian community felt it was racist that the coverage to the little, white girl was far greater than that of the young Indian man.

Still nothing has come of the search (despite coast searches etc) for the missing man, but the young girl was found in a stormwater drain a few days later. She had fallen in. :cry: There are recent articles of the Indian family saying the police had not had the resources to find the young man because they were all looking for the young girl - not because she was a more pressing issue, they felt, but because he was Indian.

As for missing people in Singapore, check out the Police website. There are heaps - and we rarely hear about any of them.

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Postby Vaucluse » Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:10 am

moloch71 wrote:
You are very right on alot on what you said ozchick, but some things you didnt cover:
1. Newspapers are in the busieness of selling stories - if people are interested in these biased reports it will fuel the focus.

A very good point

2. All this attention ENCOURAGES idiots to 'go bash an indian'. Its like the time when your parents told you not to do something, so it becomes like a challenge.

I'd disagree. It is a big step from eating chocolate when told not to, to committing assault and battery

3. One thing that hasnt been covered in this thread, and Ive heard from indian friends I know here (Im in melbourne right now if you didnt realise), is that indian students on visas are soft targets; if they try to defend themselves and end up coming off better in a conflict they might face deportation. Better just not to resist, or even better, not to report - this makes them good targets for serious criminals.

I'd also disagree with that wholeheartedly. For all its faults (and there are many), Australia is a country of laws, colourblind laws. Deportation is not as easy as you may think, particularly in cases like this. This plays very well into what Superglide mentioned; the victim mentality.

Melbourne is definately a rougher place than Singapore, but it doesnt make it dangerous. You just have to be aware of your security and not make yourself a target - Ive never been bashed, but then I dont walk around late at night, by myself, in seedier parts of town !

Pretty much what I said as well before our resident KKK-member gave his 2 1/2 cents worth (he's not quite up to five yet)

Quite simply, Melbourne has app. 4.5 million people, among them are thugs and crims . . . like everywhere. Just live wisely, taking very normal and apparent precasutions




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