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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 11 Mar 2010 7:13 am

OH, I don't know about that. Look at where we are now for instance. It only took a short 44 years to create an almost entire nation of genetic idiots here when it comes to social mores and courtesy. More so considering there have been 33 years of courtesy campaigns with no negligible results as of yet. Therefore it almost has to be a genetic pre-disposition.

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Postby Plavt » Thu, 11 Mar 2010 7:27 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:OH, I don't know about that. Look at where we are now for instance. It only took a short 44 years to create an almost entire nation of genetic idiots here when it comes to social mores and courtesy. More so considering there have been 33 years of courtesy campaigns with no negligible results as of yet. Therefore it almost has to be a genetic pre-disposition.

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Postby utopia » Thu, 11 Mar 2010 7:49 am

11 March article :
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/w ... 5838879311
An article that touches on the wheelchair beating and also highlights 2 cases of the elderly being attacked over the last couple of days.

Police : Despite at least 20 attacks (on the elderly) in just six months, investigators said the number of offences in the (Hunter) area was not significantly high to warrant “a special taskforce targeting the problem”

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Postby x9200 » Thu, 11 Mar 2010 8:07 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:OH, I don't know about that. Look at where we are now for instance. It only took a short 44 years to create an almost entire nation of genetic idiots here when it comes to social mores and courtesy. More so considering there have been 33 years of courtesy campaigns with no negligible results as of yet. Therefore it almost has to be a genetic pre-disposition.

This is another point - what KSL seems to see as a genetic predisposition affecting only some individuals (those committing the crimes) is actually a typical well establish behaviour over the whole gene pool of our and other species. Same for the lack of courtesy and morality.

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Postby ksl » Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:04 pm

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sundaymorningstaple wrote:OH, I don't know about that. Look at where we are now for instance. It only took a short 44 years to create an almost entire nation of genetic idiots here when it comes to social mores and courtesy. More so considering there have been 33 years of courtesy campaigns with no negligible results as of yet. Therefore it almost has to be a genetic pre-disposition.

This is another point - what KSL seems to see as a genetic predisposition affecting only some individuals (those committing the crimes) is actually a typical well establish behaviour over the whole gene pool of our and other species. Same for the lack of courtesy and morality.
I agree with you 100% that is why I don't see it as race profiling, but more of conditioning, we all have the genes, though our circumstances that trigger our behaviour patterns are very different, conditioning of our environment influences our reactions, be them negative or positive...that is to say coming from a well developed high class or middle class environment to a less well developed environment, will have a negative impact psychologically even though you may think you can cope, which you can, you will not be happy with the result of stepping back in time, seeing individuals that act differently, and behave differently, to be accepted in the environment you must change adapt.

It's pretty straight forward thinking, though if your heritage line has always been in the low end of life, one would maybe wish for it to end, which means marrying someone, with better genetics, form, pedigree call it what you will...these good moves in life do not change the genetic code over night, but through generations of good life, just like the aristocrats, that sent off the prisoners to Australia, some probably stayed to enjoy the wealth of the Country at the expense of the locals.

The prisoners are in a position environment to improve their lives, so it was a good move, just like many of the immigrants, that ended up in the USA, they did something positive to improve their genetic line, gain wealth and move on in life, not backwards, they must be a superior breed to many....

Mainland China was also conditioned under communistic rule, cleverly embracing capitalism, convincing their own people, that it was a strategic move of the times, unfortunately, behaviour patterns and ethics leave a lot to be desired, though some of the people are more genetically switched on, than say the farming community.

So overall we have these factors and variables of new found wealth, and the ability to travel, crossing borders causing short circuits within our own communities if not integrated correctly and supported by government.

All too often we see the divide and segregation of classes, the rich and middle class levels improving, while the unfortunates are left behind. That is conservatism in a nutshell and not democracy.

Those switches of the genetic coding need to be switched on if poverty areas are to be improved, bad parenting is damaging and can switch off the offspring, not many make it out of the ghetto life, because the variables are not in their favour, and some rich kids end up in the dumps too, back to square one, to start all over again the odds of success are against those that fall down, dreams of something better is what keeps us all going.
Learning to survive with a good solid base of variables will help to get out of the shit hole and you can only have that from good insight, experience and good parenting, though listening to advice is not the strongest point of children, some are sensible others not, the saying is, its all in our genes.

Lets put it another way, the Singapore government have tried for 30 years, or more like SMS said to improve, without any significant change.

Though if for example SMS took one Singaporean and educated him in ethics, manners and correct speach over a period of lets say 20 years on a one to one basis, I'm pretty sure the person would be well armed with the right tools for improvement, though there is no guarantee the person doesn't relapse if another negative trigger is set off....people are not domesticated overnight and some never make the grade at all in our life time, that applies to every race of people in the world, though i have seen many families in UK, that fit the bill of not being domesticated.

Pretty scary in this day and age overall percent wise, I haven't a clue though some I know have held their jobs, and failed themselves at home, which is tragic and primitive, eating out of tins, rotten food just left, the sink the colour of tea bags, the rubbish never removed and the smell of the persons clothing.

It doesn't take much to trigger those switches of love or hate, it takes a great deal of willpower to keep ones cool, though if you cannot overide the impulse to pick up a machete or a knife and use it, then its pretty primitive instincts in my book and you desrve to be caged for a long time, with treatment of course, but the likelihood of it happening again is real.

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Postby x9200 » Thu, 11 Mar 2010 1:50 pm

Ksl, again, not the genes not within any comprehendible by our civilized existence time-frame. I am not an expert here but these kind of processes take millennia not generations. And all your examples are about social conditioning with some behaviour patterns switchable within single generation or slightly longer. This has nothing to do with the genes (not in the sense here discussed).

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Postby Vaucluse » Thu, 11 Mar 2010 2:19 pm

utopia wrote:11 March article :
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/w ... 5838879311
An article that touches on the wheelchair beating and also highlights 2 cases of the elderly being attacked over the last couple of days.



Nice try again, utopia . . . I do wonder why you have this penchant for sensationalism and fact distortion . . .

Ok, how about a few articles from another world, please do tell me in your usual all-sweeping statements that this shit is genetic and fully accepted by the populace as they don't do anything about it:


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Massive manhunt for kindergarten attacker

MUAR: Police have launched a massive manhunt for the man who brutally bludgeoned and injured three pre-schoolers at Tadika Sinario in Lorong Haji Ali here.

Johor police chief Deputy Comm Datuk Mohd Mokhtar Mohd Shariff said police had mounted roadblocks and mobilised teams, including plainclothes policemen, detectives and traffic policemen.

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He said all resources in the department would be deployed to nab the attacker.

Extensive search: Traffic policemen screening motorcyclists in Muar yesterday.
“We believe he is of unsound mind and should not be allowed to remain free.

“No one in his right frame of mind would want to hit or hurt children with a hammer.

“I have also directed our intelligence unit and special branch members to collect all information regarding the attacker,”
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Postby ksl » Thu, 11 Mar 2010 2:38 pm

x9200 wrote:Ksl, again, not the genes not within any comprehendible by our civilized existence time-frame. I am not an expert here but these kind of processes take millennia not generations. And all your examples are about social conditioning with some behaviour patterns switchable within single generation or slightly longer. This has nothing to do with the genes (not in the sense here discussed).
I wouldn't agree with that at all, human behaviour patterns have been domesticated within a short period of time not sure how long, genetics is a theory only.

The evolution of man will take millennia i agree your point, but my point is the genes have been there since whenever, and crimes and domestication is a conditioning process with many triggers, I'm not saying one's genes will change, in our life times or the next several generations, so I haven't been too clear on that point, SMS reminds me of my flock tendencies.

Its more a figure of speech to say its in our genes, with that i mean all the negatives humans do, we are all capable of doing the same, though some races are more conditioned to first world development culture, others take time to adapt, several generations in fact, if they don't adapt, they immigrants become resentful and may become rebellious within their environment.
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Postby nakatago » Thu, 11 Mar 2010 2:44 pm

@utopia and ksl,

You know, if you could get your hands on data off the human genome project, you could settle this once and for all.

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Postby Splatted » Thu, 11 Mar 2010 2:48 pm

Apparently it's all an "innocent mistake"... says parents of accused manslaughterer...

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/6 ... ning-door/

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 11 Mar 2010 3:25 pm

Splatted wrote:Apparently it's all an "innocent mistake"... says parents of accused manslaughterer...

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/6 ... ning-door/


Threw the kid into the boot? To take him to the hospital? And drove around for 3 hours trying to find the hospital? Right.

I guess genetics made him do it. And the guys father sounds like his genetics are a bit suspect as well as he seems to have bought it hook line & sinker as well. :roll:

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Postby Splatted » Thu, 11 Mar 2010 3:37 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Splatted wrote:Apparently it's all an "innocent mistake"... says parents of accused manslaughterer...

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/6 ... ning-door/


Threw the kid into the boot? To take him to the hospital? And drove around for 3 hours trying to find the hospital? Right.


And he was a taxi driver too... Don' tell me a taxi driver doesn't know where the hospital is... They all park outside them waiting for fares.

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Postby x9200 » Thu, 11 Mar 2010 5:22 pm

ksl wrote:The evolution of man will take millennia i agree your point, but my point is the genes have been there since whenever, and crimes and domestication is a conditioning process with many triggers, I'm not saying one's genes will change, in our life times or the next several generations, so I haven't been too clear on that point, SMS reminds me of my flock tendencies.

Its more a figure of speech to say its in our genes, with that i mean all the negatives humans do, we are all capable of doing the same, though some races are more conditioned to first world development culture, others take time to adapt, several generations in fact, if they don't adapt, they immigrants become resentful and may become rebellious within their environment.

Ok regardless I agree or not, now I am missing the link what all this has to do with our poor Australians?

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Postby Splatted » Thu, 11 Mar 2010 5:51 pm

Gursewak reportedly told his father he shook Gurshan to try to wake him up, but the child didn't respond.


This sentence caught my attention the most.

There have been a spate of baby deaths due to violent shaking, eg in an attempt to quieten baby when crying, thus causing brain damage.

http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/brain/shaken.html

My money is on the 3 year old having a tantrum because he couldn't accompany his father to the library. This tantrum would have bordered on screaming and ear-piercing shrieking (based on observations of my own nephew when he has his tantrums at that age).

Seeing that the mother was not around to quieten the child, the man tried to shake the 3 year old into being quiet.

But, of course, I'm only speculating.

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Postby Vaucluse » Thu, 11 Mar 2010 8:44 pm

x9200 wrote:Ok regardless I agree or not, now I am missing the link what all this has to do with our poor Australians?


Like the rest of his ramblings in this regard . . . nothing


And a bit less of the poor Australians bit, thanks! :)
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