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Vaucluse · Post by **Vaucluse** » Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:31 am

ksl wrote:
EADG wrote:Call me crazy but there's just a whole lotta love on this forum...
I guess all trolls love each other to a certain extent we have our moments. Even though we disagree, a tactical approach is diplomatic.

The world in turmoil, the genocide in Africa and a useless UN what does it it tell all of us from history to today. Life doesn't change only politics, and the crimes are a lot worse today, than they was back in the colonial days.

A tactical approach? Is that what you call your lame attempt at humour, which no-one aside from yourself saw as such?

How are crimes a lot worse now than in the colonial days? This should be interesting

ozchick · Post by **ozchick** » Sun, 07 Mar 2010 12:32 pm

Sorry, next post.

ozchick · Post by **ozchick** » Sun, 07 Mar 2010 12:33 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:And you reckon all the trouble in Aus is now being caused by a couple of hundred descendent's at most of them that was shipped to Aus from the UK? That the troublemakers in Aus is all descendents of criminals & thugs from the UK alone?

Thank you voice of sanity!
I'm a 6th generation Aussie and a REAL trouble-maker

But sad to report the family tree has no ties whatsoever with the convicts. My forebearers all came out on ships independent of those naughty bread-stealers! And after my forebearers (English and Irish) came out to Oz, one of them got tangled up with a native dark lady on the banks of the Murray River and so apart from being naughty for no good reason I also tan quite easily, enjoy swimming etc !

ozchick · Post by **ozchick** » Sun, 07 Mar 2010 12:51 pm

ksl wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:
ksl wrote: My post was kind of sarcastic and dumb, with no research at all, so you are quite right, though i was hoping for SMS reaction first You aren't Australian by an chance My apologies to all, i did my best to wind you all up
Why would I have any reaction to it?
Because you always do I was baiting and caught the wrong fish all in good fun mind

My apologies to all Australians it is a sensitive subject, i should have known better!

Apology accepted Kayser me 'ol flower. I DO understand how you feel about Aussies. It's easier to beat us up through the history books than it is to admit that you all want what we've got!!

(Except our passports, and let's not go there).

ksl · Post by **ksl** » Sun, 07 Mar 2010 2:42 pm

Vaucluse wrote:
ksl wrote:
EADG wrote:Call me crazy but there's just a whole lotta love on this forum...
I guess all trolls love each other to a certain extent we have our moments. Even though we disagree, a tactical approach is diplomatic.

The world in turmoil, the genocide in Africa and a useless UN what does it it tell all of us from history to today. Life doesn't change only politics, and the crimes are a lot worse today, than they was back in the colonial days.
A tactical approach? Is that what you call your lame attempt at humour, which no-one aside from yourself saw as such?

How are crimes a lot worse now than in the colonial days? This should be interesting

Vaucluse I gave an opinion, i didn't state it was factual or not, hello, your lame attempt to provocate a debate, doesn't really interest me to the point of digging out facts for you on this topic, I don't take it seriously enough.

Though if you like you can try to ridicule my opinion with some facts and i may take interest or you are entitled to your own opinion, which i may or may not challenge with facts.

What is lame humour to you may not be to people I know, SMS knows me and knows my persona, you do not! So don't be such a bigot!

raden888 · Post by **raden888** » Sun, 07 Mar 2010 3:40 pm

Its interesting to see how this post went off tangent.

Seems like a sour Brit wondering what happened to the empire

What are the possible ways and/or changes in the Australian law to rectify the state of crime?

I believe Australia needs a judicial overhaul. Lately ,the judiciary has been very lax in their sentencing. A generation has grown up without fear of the law or law enforcement personnel. Taser's are a joke, why issue guns to Police and law enforcement personnel if they are discouraged to use it?You are allowing criminals to have more leverage.

Few examples over the last couple of years include:

Light sentences for murder ( 5 yrs max!)
Cops get beaten and attacker goes Scot free!
Kid steals sweets and sentenced , uproar in the community.Racism used as trump card .The kid will grow up thinking he can get away with crime due to his ethnicity. Crime is crime, regardless of the sum involved.

Situations mentioned above has created the current dilemma.

Vaucluse · Post by **Vaucluse** » Sun, 07 Mar 2010 4:09 pm

ksl wrote:
Vaucluse wrote:
ksl wrote: I guess all trolls love each other to a certain extent we have our moments. Even though we disagree, a tactical approach is diplomatic.

The world in turmoil, the genocide in Africa and a useless UN what does it it tell all of us from history to today. Life doesn't change only politics, and the crimes are a lot worse today, than they was back in the colonial days.
A tactical approach? Is that what you call your lame attempt at humour, which no-one aside from yourself saw as such?

How are crimes a lot worse now than in the colonial days? This should be interesting
Vaucluse I gave an opinion, i didn't state it was factual or not, hello, your lame attempt to provocate a debate, doesn't really interest me to the point of digging out facts for you on this topic, I don't take it seriously enough.

Though if you like you can try to ridicule my opinion with some facts and i may take interest or you are entitled to your own opinion, which i may or may not challenge with facts.

What is lame humour to you may not be to people I know, SMS knows me and knows my persona, you do not! So don't be such a bigot!

You make statements like those and then run and hide them as being your 'opinion' only and then weasel your way out by saying you won't back up anything because . . . you 'don't take it seriously' . . . and I doubt I was the one to start any provocation . . . why not re-read your post(s).

What is lame humour to you may not be to people I know, SMS knows me and knows my persona, you do not! So don't be such a bigot!

Obviously not:

sundaymornmingstaple wrote:

Why would I have any reaction to it?

EADG · Post by **EADG** » Sun, 07 Mar 2010 5:06 pm

And the love just keeps a'comin'...

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Sun, 07 Mar 2010 5:19 pm

Well , look at that , nice to know we are ONE BIG HAPPY FAMILY.

It is very hard nowadays to identify which race or group that do the most crimes. It is so diverse and cross culture that you cannot pinpoint to one particular group.

OZ is such a big place with many different type of race and cultures. One thing I do agree is the politicians are SO PC that they do not have the political power and will to change which resulted in many criminals getting away from their crime .

The Premiers have more power than the PM !!

Splatted · Post by **Splatted** » Sun, 07 Mar 2010 5:44 pm

oh well, for those still interested about the 3 year old boy...

Just caught the news that one man was arrested for involuntary manslaughter. He was a resident of the same house.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/man-c ... -pq2w.html

ksl · Post by **ksl** » Sun, 07 Mar 2010 8:01 pm

raden888 not sour, just relieved that I don't have to rely on the UK, and its management of my pocket money when i'm 65, I love the place, from a Robin Hood point of view....Politics and crime well take a look.

http://www.unwire.org/unwire/20020715/27649_story.asp

utopia · Post by **utopia** » Sun, 07 Mar 2010 8:03 pm

ksl wrote: Though Australia is more open and trying hard, the only ones to swing it are the people themsleves, like in UK and I don't see it happening.

Mad Scientist wrote: One thing I do agree is the politicians are SO PC that they do not have the political power and will to change which resulted in many criminals getting away from their crime .

raden888 wrote: I believe Australia needs a judicial overhaul. Lately ,the judiciary has been very lax in their sentencing. A generation has grown up without fear of the law or law enforcement personnel.

Thanks for the views, I don't believe any of the above inputs regarding crime in general in Australia are from an Aussie perspective. And, if my observation is correct, despite the love KSL has received recently, at the very least, he seems correct that the 'people' have not been successful in instigating enough of change. In turn, this influences Australian politicians and probably the reason why their judicial system is what it is.

It pretty much answers question #2 regarding "critical mass"
- at least on these forums.

Vaucluse · Post by **Vaucluse** » Sun, 07 Mar 2010 8:22 pm

To enable change is a process . . . in Australia it is part of a democratic process . .. to differentiate Australia from other forms of democracies in this regard is quite silly as the basic principles are very similar.

I fail to understand where the people have failed, in terms of the law . . . can someone please explain that to me?

Gursewak Dhillon, 23, faced an out-of-sessions court hearing before a bail justice at the St Kilda Road police complex charged with manslaughter by criminal negligence.

What I find sad is that I was relieved to see the name of the culprit . . .

RiP, little man

Splatted · Post by **Splatted** » Sun, 07 Mar 2010 8:53 pm

Vaucluse wrote:
Gursewak Dhillon, 23, faced an out-of-sessions court hearing before a bail justice at the St Kilda Road police complex charged with manslaughter by criminal negligence.
What I find sad is that I was relieved to see the name of the culprit . . .

RiP, little man

News is only partially revealing info, not sure whether deliberately or because they simply don't know.

There is no mention of what actually took place during those minutes when the mother was in the shower.

The only thing they did say during a news break was that he drove around for 3 hours with the child in the boot of the car, and he wasn't sure whether he was alive or not.

They also mentioned that the person charged was in Australia on a fake passport.

Vaucluse · Post by **Vaucluse** » Sun, 07 Mar 2010 9:17 pm

Splatted wrote:
Vaucluse wrote:
Gursewak Dhillon, 23, faced an out-of-sessions court hearing before a bail justice at the St Kilda Road police complex charged with manslaughter by criminal negligence.
What I find sad is that I was relieved to see the name of the culprit . . .

RiP, little man
News is only partially revealing info, not sure whether deliberately or because they simply don't know.

There is no mention of what actually took place during those minutes when the mother was in the shower.

The only thing they did say during a news break was that he drove around for 3 hours with the child in the boot of the car, and he wasn't sure whether he was alive or not.

They also mentioned that the person charged was in Australia on a fake passport.

Yes, and the guy has the gall to request bail and live in the same building as the parents of the boy . . . something tells me he is not quite right in the head. Anyway, he didn't get bail in the end

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