Singapore Expats Forum

Yet another cheating landlord

Discuss about the latest news & interesting topics, real life experience or other out of topic discussions with locals & expatriates in Singapore.

User avatar
blue_thunder
Chatter
Chatter
Posts: 494
Joined: Thu, 19 Jul 2007
Location: Waveless beach

Yet another cheating landlord

Postby blue_thunder » Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:40 am

Here it goes.

My coworker had signed an tenancy agreement mid December for 1 BR HDB unit in blk 149, Toa Payoh. It was actually a 2BR unit with 1BR locked. The owner had signed the lease agreement and accepted the move in date as 27 Dec. It was being occupied by the owner & his 2 sons.
Total amount paid was 2900 including 1st month rental/security deposit & PUB transfer charges.
My coworker went to collect the keys for the unit on Dec 26 and the owner had not moved out of the unit by then.
The owner & his sons assaulted my coworkers & sons using bicycle rod , fortunately there were no major injuries.

So then police were called in & a complaint was made for assault & cheating. They informed my coworker that there are 2 similar complaints on the same owner cheating 2 other tenants of 5k. So then the owner had cancelled the tenancy agreement and signed a letter to refund the amount by 31/Dec/2009.
Till date the owner had not refunded the money & my coworker was told by the police yesterday that the owner does not have any money & they cannot be held responsible if the owner doesnt return the money.

I did warn my coworker to be careful,even before signing the agreement as I had heard many stories like this. but then he was in a hurry to move out of his current unit.

Now the agent as well is not reachable on phone.

I have adviced my coworker to file a complaint at the Small claims tribunal/Sub Court. I need some information on filing the same. Will these documents be sufficient enough or do we still need any other supporting documents along with the application form.

1. Tenancy agreement
2. Proof Online transfer of money
3. Written receipt for payment made to Owner & agent with signature of both the parties.
4. Signed document for refunding the money by 31/Dec 2009 .

I know that the cops wont be of much help in this type of cheating cases.

Do we have to consult any lawyer before filing the case with Small Claims ?

I m not sure whether the cops had recorded a complaint for assaulting. I have asked my coworker to check with the cops on the same.
~ I don't want to be a product of my environment, I want my environment to be a product of me

User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 35160
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004
Location: Still Fishing!
Contact:

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:05 am

Bloody sad situation B_T, but it sounds like, document wise, you/he is in pretty good shape. However, I'm not sure you can take this to the SCT. Seems that question was brought up recently in the other thread (have had time to search for it) and someone pointed this out. If that's the case then the only alternative is civil court. Then, the cost of a lawyer could outweigh the rewards unless the court awards costs as well.

A lawyer might be the best place to start with though (cost him probably a C note for the advice, but might be cheaper in the long run).

User avatar
blue_thunder
Chatter
Chatter
Posts: 494
Joined: Thu, 19 Jul 2007
Location: Waveless beach

Postby blue_thunder » Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:24 am

Yes I read the similar thread in MBA section and was advised to take it up to SCT.

What on earth is a C note ? :cry:
~ I don't want to be a product of my environment, I want my environment to be a product of me

User avatar
x9200
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 9318
Joined: Mon, 07 Sep 2009
Location: Singapore

Postby x9200 » Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:11 pm

I would wait a bit till your coworker finally settles in her/his new place and then include to the claim all the expenses encountered due to the contract violation.

User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 35160
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004
Location: Still Fishing!
Contact:

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:20 pm

Roman numeral 'C" = $100 :wink:

User avatar
Saint
Director
Director
Posts: 3535
Joined: Thu, 16 Jun 2005
Location: The Juban Stand, Boat Quay
Contact:

Postby Saint » Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:21 pm

blue_thunder wrote:
What on earth is a C note ? :cry:


$100

User avatar
blue_thunder
Chatter
Chatter
Posts: 494
Joined: Thu, 19 Jul 2007
Location: Waveless beach

Postby blue_thunder » Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:27 pm

Saint wrote:
blue_thunder wrote:
What on earth is a C note ? :cry:


$100


I thought Credit note ..my bad :shock:
~ I don't want to be a product of my environment, I want my environment to be a product of me

User avatar
blue_thunder
Chatter
Chatter
Posts: 494
Joined: Thu, 19 Jul 2007
Location: Waveless beach

Postby blue_thunder » Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:28 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Roman numeral 'C" = $100 :wink:


It should not be problem if the costs are under 10C..
~ I don't want to be a product of my environment, I want my environment to be a product of me

User avatar
Addadude
Reporter
Reporter
Posts: 716
Joined: Fri, 26 May 2006
Location: Darkest Telok Blangah
Contact:

Postby Addadude » Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:47 pm

Your friend might also want to contact the HDB and show them copies of the ad, contract etc. HDB does NOT allow owners to rent out their flat with "one room locked". If it is clear that the owner has done this before (or conned people into thinking he was doing it) he could well be kicked out of his flat. If you want to rent a HDB flat as an expat, make sure the flat is listed as "approved" for expat rental. This is usually stated VERY clearly in the classifieds.
"Both politicians and nappies need to be changed regularly, and for the same reasons."

User avatar
ksl
Governor
Governor
Posts: 6005
Joined: Mon, 19 Jul 2004
Location: Singapore
Contact:

Postby ksl » Wed, 06 Jan 2010 1:20 pm

Small Claims Court is good for under 20k you have enough documentation, so the SCC office will evaluate the evidence before they will make any judgement on a case. I realise some say you cannot take it to the SCC if the contract isn't stamped, though i believe that to be hearsay until i hear it from the horses mouth. So go to their office with the documentation.

User avatar
blue_thunder
Chatter
Chatter
Posts: 494
Joined: Thu, 19 Jul 2007
Location: Waveless beach

Postby blue_thunder » Wed, 06 Jan 2010 2:16 pm

ksl wrote:Small Claims Court is good for under 20k you have enough documentation, so the SCC office will evaluate the evidence before they will make any judgement on a case. I realise some say you cannot take it to the SCC if the contract isn't stamped, though i believe that to be hearsay until i hear it from the horses mouth. So go to their office with the documentation.


Yes the agreement is not stamped. Will try our best at SCC.
~ I don't want to be a product of my environment, I want my environment to be a product of me

User avatar
ev-disinfection
Chatter
Chatter
Posts: 459
Joined: Fri, 18 Dec 2009
Location: Singapore
Contact:

Postby ev-disinfection » Wed, 06 Jan 2010 9:04 pm

B T, sad to hear about your co-worker's predicament, perhaps he should call the local newspaper hotline and tell them about the stupid landlord, (Giving the locals a bad name, i hate these people) and hope that they publish it, so as to warn others. Has your co-worker settled in yet? sigh :oops:

macaroonie
Chatter
Chatter
Posts: 337
Joined: Mon, 29 Jun 2009

Postby macaroonie » Thu, 07 Jan 2010 10:37 am

Sorry to hear about your co-workers plight! Surely something can be done and i am surprised that the police can't help?!! why is that? isn't this an assault and cheating case? Can we also inform the local government member ? There are so many rental problems on this forum, surely if the government is serious about expats coming to work here they would do something about the atrocious rental market (from landlords to agents!).

Keep us informed of the outcome, i hope your co-worker is able to get his money back! And get some sort of justice for the assault.

User avatar
blue_thunder
Chatter
Chatter
Posts: 494
Joined: Thu, 19 Jul 2007
Location: Waveless beach

Postby blue_thunder » Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:20 am

Today the case would be filed with the SCT and the policer are yet to come back on the assault case. :x
~ I don't want to be a product of my environment, I want my environment to be a product of me

zodiac09
Regular
Regular
Posts: 53
Joined: Tue, 08 Sep 2009

Postby zodiac09 » Thu, 07 Jan 2010 4:05 pm

the only way to stop things like this is to make them as public as possible. Name and shame ! Get the papers involved - they usually eat up stories like this and will love the assault angle too.

Put up posters around the locality naming the cheating bstd.

and if your poor mate has any thugs for acquaintences, get them to go round there and give the gits a taste of their own medicine.

although, that is only theory, of course lol


  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post
  • Yet another PR chance thread
    by bubble1286 » Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:39 am » in PR, Citizenship, Passes & Visas for Foreigners
    6
    2410
    by habeebhashim View the latest post
    Mon, 16 Dec 2013 3:05 pm
  • Yet another move to Singapore
    by angmo » Thu, 29 Oct 2015 1:20 am » in Relocating, Moving to Singapore
    25
    3640
    by nutnut View the latest post
    Thu, 19 Nov 2015 5:15 pm
  • Yet another Brit heading this way :-)
    by henry121 » Fri, 25 May 2018 9:41 pm » in Newcomer's Lounge
    6
    1193
    by ellie.dvsn View the latest post
    Sat, 16 Jun 2018 3:50 am
  • Apologies but yet another NS deferment post
    by Ixora05 » Mon, 27 Aug 2018 8:15 am » in Strictly Speaking
    5
    623
    by PNGMK View the latest post
    Tue, 28 Aug 2018 2:45 pm
  • Cheating?
    by DrScrumMaster » Sat, 15 Apr 2017 12:19 pm » in Articles
    42
    5367
    by PNGMK View the latest post
    Wed, 03 May 2017 1:32 pm

Return to “General Discussions”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests