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Will parents get arrested if fail to get Exit Permit for kid

Postby igwt » Fri, 18 Dec 2009 1:30 am

Would like to see others' experience on the subject.

Case 1:
1. Parents and boy are SG citizens.
2. Boy > 13Y but < 16.5Y old.
3. Parents and boy all have foreign residence, on the way to foreign citizenship, but just not yet have foreign citizenship.
4. All live overseas.
5. Boy's NS deferment application denied already.
6. Parents failed or unable to obtain Exit Permit for boy.

Question: will parents get arrested and persecuted if they travel to SG using SG passport?

Case 2: same as Case 1 except that (1) boy > 16.5Y old and (2) parents do not put a $75K bond and thus no Exit Permit.

Question: will parents get arrested and persecuted if they travel to SG using SG passport?

Thanks.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 18 Dec 2009 7:05 am

If a exit permit had been applied for and denied, I would assume that their passport & names would have been flagged, as would the children's names & passports. If that be the case, then it is a very good possibility that they might be detained. For how long, and a what price I don't have any idea. But, look at it this way, if they didn't, then word would rapidly spread that the laws have no teeth. Therefore, I would assume that, like most who don't follow protocol here, they are made examples of as a deterrent to others not to try to follow suit.

So, while I don't know for a fact, in the words of Dirty Harry, "I don't remember if I fired 5 or 6 times. Do you feel lucky?

Or, they might just want to go to JB and make a phone call to have the rellies visit them in JB.

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Will Parent Gets Arrested if fail to get exit permit for kid

Postby Mad Scientist » Mon, 21 Dec 2009 9:15 am

IGWT

This is based on my own personal experience that I have worked with and my years in the army.

Case 1:
1. Parents and boy are SG citizens.
2. Boy > 13Y but < 16.5Y old.
3. Parents and boy all have foreign residence, on the way to foreign citizenship, but just not yet have foreign citizenship.
4. All live overseas.
5. Boy's NS deferment application denied already.
6. Parents failed or unable to obtain Exit Permit for boy.

Question: will parents get arrested and persecuted if they travel to SG using SG passport?

A warrant of arrest will be issued for the boy both on civil and military court if he did not return to serve. He will be categorise as NS defaulters and his parent as harbouring a NS defaulter. This will be automatic and send to the ICA at their border control. The boy will definitely be detained on arrival or transit at the airport. This apply to parent too.Trust me.

Case 2: same as Case 1 except that (1) boy > 16.5Y old and (2) parents do not put a $75K bond and thus no Exit Permit.

Same as above

Question: will parents get arrested and persecuted if they travel to SG using SG passport?

Yes , I am sorry to say you get burn if you use the SG passport to come back.

The only consideration that they might take into account is parent already citizen of another country . They have already renounce SG citizen thus the son will be given extended exit permit until 21 then he has to renounce SG citizenship.

There is no way around this unless the parent or the boy ensure that they do not step one foot in SG.Which will result in unforeseen complication in the future

Putting up the $75K is just as an assurance that the boy will come back and serve. The exit permit is the critical part . No permit no need bond thus must come back to serve.
BTW to my knowledge $75K bond is the minimum amount. The law states if both parents earn more than $75K say mom earns $100K and dad earn $150K then the bond will be the lower of the two i.e $100K.This will based on IRD .

It is quite strange that they do not allow the boy exit permit unless he left SG without one.
In one of our friend case, we manage to plead for the boy to finish A level then come back. Our friend got the exit permit and without any bond imposed.
Unless the parent is of a certain interest to SG Authority i.e MP son or High Ranking Official or runs foul with the law usually they will allow

If boy and parent still insist of not going back, I suggest get the foreign citizenship asap as foreign residency i.e work visa or permanent residency can be terminated at the foreign country own discretion. Hence will result in you having to go back to SG as you will be only travelling in SG Passport. I have seen this happen with PR and Work Permit holders.

Hope this help and take care

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Re: Will Parent Gets Arrested if fail to get exit permit for

Postby aster » Mon, 08 Feb 2010 1:09 am

Mad Scientist wrote:Question: will parents get arrested and persecuted if they travel to SG using SG passport?

Yes , I am sorry to say you get burn if you use the SG passport to come back.


Why would it make a difference what passport you use to come back? If there is a warrant then why would it change anything (unless it's a diplomatic passport)?

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Postby ksl » Mon, 08 Feb 2010 1:57 am

I would request asylum in your host Country, you are being persecuted. Singapore over reacting is a very big mistake, they need to listen too the people.

A bunch of NS people with a rope around their neck is not the way to form a professional defence, even the army cadets would do better because they are volunteers. Though a couple of years is nothing, to hold people ransom for decades is on the border of inhumane in my eyes.

I'm sure out of 4.5 million they can recruit all the wankers that are loan sharking, committing GBH crimes, and other illegal art works, and form a positive force in stead of persecuting and holding citizens to ransom.

:o shock I saw someone fireing a shot gun in a very build up area, on the main road, shooting freak pigeons, only 20 meters away from myself, I was in two minds to take his scalp as a pigoen landed in front of me, out of 20 he hit's one, and i was watching the gun, constantly in case he pointed it my direction. He's obviously had NS i thought, because when i looked him in the eye, he turned around! Must have been the local hawker centre getting pigeon on the menue.

Surely its illegal to fire a shotgun on the street?

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Re: Will Parent Gets Arrested if fail to get exit permit for

Postby Mad Scientist » Mon, 08 Feb 2010 2:51 am

aster wrote:
Mad Scientist wrote:Question: will parents get arrested and persecuted if they travel to SG using SG passport?

Yes , I am sorry to say you get burn if you use the SG passport to come back.


Why would it make a difference what passport you use to come back? If there is a warrant then why would it change anything (unless it's a diplomatic passport)?


I am not sure about most passport but some passport does not have place of birth written on the passport ID page. Friends of ours son return to SG on a different passport but was cleared thru the border control. Not sure why although the son has NS issues but THIS IS A RISKY ACT AND A RUSSIAN ROULLETTE which I do not advise to try

BTW , KSL , if you have a criminal record like loan sharking among others chances of you serving NS is remote as you already serve "NS" in prison. (':D')
Not sure about the asylum thing but you have to clear border control first to get asylum at the Embassy . You already been stopped at the border control thus getting to the Foreign Embassy will be a mission impossible.
Most foreign embassies has a hands off approach on NS issue in SG


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