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Owner and tenant dispute

Postby morenangpinay » Wed, 16 Dec 2009 1:50 pm

How do i start..

where can I complain if there is a dispute between an owner and a new tenant?

The summary is that we had agreement with the landlord that we will move in 15th...coz our lease ended last 15th. anyway we found out on the 15th that we cant move in because the tenant is still there and their contract is till 25th.

we asked our old place if we can extend till 25th but they only allowed us extension till 17. SO in short we have no place to go as a result of what the landlord did. we also paid him 6 months of rent advance...

:( Sooooo anyone what to do with this landlord?? so stressful.

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Postby ksl » Wed, 16 Dec 2009 2:01 pm

morenangpinay wrote:How do i start..

where can I complain if there is a dispute between an owner and a new tenant?

The summary is that we had agreement with the landlord that we will move in 15th...coz our lease ended last 15th. anyway we found out on the 15th that we cant move in because the tenant is still there and their contract is till 25th.

we asked our old place if we can extend till 25th but they only allowed us extension till 17. SO in short we have no place to go as a result of what the landlord did. we also paid him 6 months of rent advance...

:( Sooooo anyone what to do with this landlord?? so stressful.
If your contract is from the 15th I would say your landlord is liable for any expenses that you have in the meantime, take your contract to a solicitor not a lawyer. However he will most definately try not to pay your 6 months deposit back, when your lease expires, so i also suggest a 3rd party to do an invenotry check, with video footage of any damage, wear and tear ect, so that it can be presented, when you require it in the small claims court!

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Postby Saint » Wed, 16 Dec 2009 9:44 pm

So you've paid 6 month's rent in advance and signed a contract to move in on the 15th but you can't move in because someone else is living in the apartment?? :roll:

I'd call the police! And who would pay 6 months rent in advance anyway??

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Postby morenangpinay » Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:58 pm

he gave us a discount if the rent is paid for 6 months...so since we wanted to lessen our cost. we paid the rent 6 months.

we talked to the landlord he said he will pay our room if we get a transient room for the week. we fortunately found a room in holland. so well ask him to pay for everything.

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Postby ksl » Thu, 17 Dec 2009 8:34 pm

morenangpinay wrote:he gave us a discount if the rent is paid for 6 months...so since we wanted to lessen our cost. we paid the rent 6 months.

we talked to the landlord he said he will pay our room if we get a transient room for the week. we fortunately found a room in holland. so well ask him to pay for everything.
Problem is, that 6 months deposit is not normal..the rate is 1 month for 1 year, 2 months for 2 years, if i'm not wrong, so saint maybe indicating you have been cheated, which it does sound like that! The sooner you get it sorted out the better! The landlord is surely in the wrong here! I will be surprised if he pays your room in Holland!

If you rent a room, then the deposit is only on the room, which is only 1 months rent, not 6 months rent! He has cheated you, so go to the police if he doesn't return your money asap

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Postby morenangpinay » Fri, 18 Dec 2009 9:58 am

we were going to occupy the whole unit not just 1 room. well we moved our furniture to his place since he said over the phone we can store it in his place temporary until the date we move in..but when we arrived with our furniture all of it didnt fit in his house..so now some of our furniture is outside his house. and we went to the transient accomodation...but when we got there and were discussing the fee, our !$)#$&@* landlord told us he cant afford it and we can only stay in the transient room for 4 days and he will look for some other place for us to rent temporary until we can move in the apartment we are supposed to rent.

but i told him its his fault we couldnt find any room at short notice at the price he wants. He keep sayin hes not earning much and our rent in his apartment is not as high as the fee in the transient room...etc.. i hanged up on him...i couldnt handle arguing anymor. but we just let him talk to the owner of the transient room.so they talked and we can rent till 27th. we paid for the rent and askd for a receipt.......our landlord claims he will reimburse. :( this situation is stressing all of us. meanwhile our stuff is sitting outside his apartment.

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Postby macaroonie » Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:07 am

Stay calm. document absolutely everything! from what i understand it is illegal to accept 6 months rent. If you document everything, then if need be you have all the evidence to go to CASE if things get even worse. And just in case, start looking for another place to live (preparing for the worse case scenario that he does a runner with your money and your stuff)

Hang in there!!

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Postby ksl » Fri, 18 Dec 2009 7:03 pm

You really do need to get the police to escort you to his place and insist he makes room for you and pay you 5 months money back asap! Even if others are renting you have a right to stay there, sleep on the floor until the other people move out! It is not your problem! He has probably broken the law, in fact he may not even be the real landlord and my guess is, that he isn't the landlord of the property, maybe an illegal housing agent!

Maybe it is himself moving out, he's got your deposit and the choice of selling what he can before he leaves! I wouldn't be so calm...that will not help you one bit, if the guy is a crook moving out! And now you have paid more money out, not him OMG! What does it take to convince you?

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Postby blue_thunder » Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:15 am

Saint wrote:So you've paid 6 month's rent in advance and signed a contract to move in on the 15th but you can't move in because someone else is living in the apartment?? :roll:

I'd call the police! And who would pay 6 months rent in advance anyway??


Is that unit in Toa payoh ?

My friend met a similar landlord couple of days ago for a 1+1 unit.

1 month rental in advance, the rent is 1200
3 month " " " , the rent is 900
6 month " " ' , the rent is 600..

I warned him not to take this unit as it definitely looks like a SCAM :P
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Postby morenangpinay » Sat, 26 Dec 2009 8:52 pm

no its elsewhere.
we had an argument with the owner because he said he only agree to pay us the temporary lodgin and not the transportation from his place to our lodging place..and since i was arguing he should pay it because we wont have the problem if not for him, he suddenly told us that he doesnt want us to stay there anymore.


i went to the police..and the police said its not cheating...its breach of contract only..so we must file the claim at small claims tribunal..


today the owner's agent told us we should move in because according to the owner I created the problems and he already told us the date when we can move in. but he didnt tell his agent that he said that he doesnt want us to stay there anymore.

so according to his agent, we must move in.if we are unable to move in on the date (which is tomrow)then we call them.

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Postby morenangpinay » Sat, 26 Dec 2009 8:55 pm

i forgot to include that when i went to his place to check out our stuff which is sitting outside his apartment when we moved it. i found people viewing the place...and i askd why he said he plan to sell it...maybe in 6 months..etc.

and our furniture was already inside the unit..





were all very stressed out and my sis and I we dont know how to handle these kind of people.

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Postby blue_thunder » Mon, 28 Dec 2009 2:25 pm

morenangpinay wrote:i forgot to include that when i went to his place to check out our stuff which is sitting outside his apartment when we moved it. i found people viewing the place...and i askd why he said he plan to sell it...maybe in 6 months..etc.

and our furniture was already inside the unit..

were all very stressed out and my sis and I we dont know how to handle these kind of people.


I would suggest to look for another unit and raise this case with small claims tribunal.
Even if you move in to this unit , you are likely to move out if its sold within 6 months. You have to look for another unit & pay agent commission again.
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Postby sgpdavid » Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:07 pm

Unfortunately there are some really dodgy landlords in Singapore who will break the law, call the police, lie the the police etc etc.

Is this unit in Sunny Spring?

Having been to the small claims court myself as a witness to my flatmate who was kicked out for no reason so that the landlord can keep the deposit, I can tell you if it comes to that it is 1. easy to do; and 2. Singapore has a good legal system that you can rely on.

Giving a contract and then breaking it is certainly something you can claim damages for, and TBH it sounds like your landlord is bit dodgy character. Giving discount for paying 6 months in advance seems strange, most leases are for 1 year at least so paying 6 months at once is no benefit to him, unless he plans to do a runner. However, what I would say is that it is very common for landlords to try to sell up after they have a tennant, it is easier to sell when there is someone already there and paying the rent (read: mortgate). Doesn't mean you have to move out - most likely your contract just transfers and you pay to the new owner.

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Postby morenangpinay » Fri, 08 Jan 2010 2:00 pm

no its not in sunny..

we have asked the landlord to reimburse us the cost we had from the date in the contract but unfortunately he doesnt want to pay us all of it..hes thinking of payin only the fees we had from dec 17 to 27th.. anyway hes waiting for my brother who will come back from vacation. coz our landlord says we girls are rude.

ah i hope some other people will read our experience and never encounter it ..its a shame.


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