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SIA recruiting? Bah Humbug.

Postby Plavt » Fri, 16 Oct 2009 6:09 am

This is quite a long post -take please your time

First of all you do not need to be a genius or hold an advanced degree to find this information and work things out for yourselves, each and every one of you is capable of that. Hopefully you will realize that I am not trying to be superior or act 'like mother and father' or in some way be patronizing as one person has accused me of yet never once offered any backing up of his claims. The information is available on the web irrespective of who you are or where you happen to live or where you are in the world when you read it. Statements such as "SIA is hiring again" or "oh but I have friends who are cabin crew" are simply vacuos.

The two following links show Singapore Airlines response to the recession, I suggest people read them carefully (take your time you have plenty);

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,25343988-36418,00.html

http://www.orientaviation.com/section.php?currenyIssue=I20090324160303-U9ic9&currentSection=mainstory&currentArticle=A20090324170316-CBhRd&

As you can plainy see Singapore Airlines have mothballed 17 aircraft; jumbos had cabin crew of 17 which was reduced to 16 so how many crew have been temporarily displaced? Let's say for the sake of argument 13 crew per aircraft (since not all aircraft are 747's so the crew requirement varies) so you would have to multiply 13 by 17 which 221. Then you would need to consider that it takes 2 maybe three or 4 crews to keep an aircraft operational plus supplementary crews to cover staff absences, rest days and sickness, so 221 would have to be multiplied by either 2 or three and consider the extra staff. You may well be talking about the thicker end of a 1000 people (maybe twice as many for all I know)! Please note this does not include the pilots or ground staff.

Since these crew who are on much reduced working and are for the meantime surplus, do you really think SIA or any other airline are going to recruit new staff? You can work it out yourselves, the answer is simply no.

I suspect those who claim the airline is hiring again have taken a cursory look at the website and seen the reference to the newspaper ad. Should that be the case then LOOK AT THE DATE OF THAT AD! :o

While this maybe dispirting for many of you, my advice for those still young is use this as an oppurtunity to find out what the job entails and plan your application for when recruitment does begin. I think when it does there will be few vacancies and the competition 'cut-throat', not to mention Singaporeans who are experienced cabin crew working for other airlines who might return home and might be given preferencial treatment.

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Postby Plavt » Fri, 30 Oct 2009 6:56 am

No doubt a good many of you will have seen recent posts showing that SIA is hiring again. However, what is not clear is just how many vacancies are available, possibly not many.

Before somebody (and they know who they are) starts shouting 'Plavt got it wrong' remember this; while a cabin crew could well have told somebody that there would soon be vacancies and be correct there is no way to substantiate such claims on a public forum unless you can provide and official link of course. (not one person who made such statements acutally backed them up). [-X Take it from me, I have worked in more than one large organization and heard all sorts of rumours more often than not totally groundless.

Just why the airline is hiring again when it would appear from the available evidence is a mystery. Maybe a substantial number of those on short-time working left? Perhaps the airline can somehow see a substantial improvement in the economy, or has enough prior bookings to warrant recruting extra staff? I don't know what is going on and I doubt if anybody here other than certain members of SIA's staff should they happen to read this does either.

I can tell you however and for sure British Airways is in big trouble, somewhere around a £400 million loss and I notice they haven't been recruiting in Singapore whereas they normally do around this time of year. They are trying to bring in new crew on new contracts in the UK (maybe SIA is doing the same), to the annoyance of the union who now threaten strike action, likely to go ahead.

Guess we will have to wait and see what the truth is.........

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...humbug!

Postby MirageBomb » Mon, 16 Nov 2009 4:57 pm

Well if u all remember there was a huge hiring exercise from mid to end '07 to replace crew who'd quit, then they realized they'd hired too many and closed the floodgates..

But after the (new) union signed the (stupid) agreement, a lot of costs were cut in the areas of crew accommodation etc in a (mostly misguided) bid to "save jobs".. as of early '09 we were still not short on staff.. until they forced us to take compulsory no-pay leave, and opened NPLI applications to all crew (up to a period of 2 years).. response was overwhelming, now we're short of crew - but only technically .. not that I'm complaining, flight roster's been a dream since. :-)

So, even if the doors did open now, I reckon they'd only let people in at a trickle.

Word of warning - if and when you do get to sit at that cheapskate table with the agreement sitting in front of u, make good sure you read through it well because friends who'd entered SQ after me tell of large differences in terms & conditions, and not in a good way if u know what I mean.. but I can't say more. :-)

Gd luck.
"Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will spend its whole life believing that it is stupid." - Einstein


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