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Post by econoMIC » Wed, 07 Oct 2009 3:54 pm

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sundaymorningstaple wrote:sgboy, it wasn't Malaysia news, it was a report on Singapore in the Malaysian newspapers because we cannot quote from a certain paper here in Singapore.
Come on mate :wink: local media can be trusted? I believe u are smarted than me :oops:

nowadays medias be in it from sg or oversea news media

sometime we have to read more from different sources out there

than we can judge ourself is it true?the news ?

if yes , is the writer or reporter comment the articles is purely on his/her point of view?
Okay, you are starting to just talk rubbish as you are doing Kopitiam talk. You need to back up what you say with facts.

Fact is that it is happening. We have had many users recently who have been turned down for PR when beforehand they would have been granted PR no doubt. Further some of us know people at ICA and this has been confirmed. Then you can just take the statistics and you will see that net immigration is falling. Further the government has clearly stated that they are putting a lid on it as dissatisfaction among the locals about foreigners pushing down prices and the lack of willingness of PRCs to integrate has risen.

I am not disputing that if Joe Bloke has an offer paying $10k a month he will get his EP no problem but those are the exceptions, not the rule. We are talking about the majority of immigrants on S and Q passes.
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Post by analyst » Wed, 07 Oct 2009 4:14 pm

SGBoy,

I am afraid you're just scouring the surface. Deep down under there is strong resentment coming from the Singaporeans on the Foreign Talent Policy of the Government. Login to StraitsTimes and look at the disgust the locals are posting.

For foreigner like me, I get goosebump as I always thought the pasture will be greener on the other side. Unfortunately, tension is brewing and they're speculating the recent highlights by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Long is to pave a way for next General Election.

Pay a trip to local Sg forum and witness yourself. Is a time bomb ticking.

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Post by SGBoyxxx » Wed, 07 Oct 2009 5:10 pm

analyst wrote:SGBoy,

I am afraid you're just scouring the surface. Deep down under there is strong resentment coming from the Singaporeans on the Foreign Talent Policy of the Government. Login to StraitsTimes and look at the disgust the locals are posting.

For foreigner like me, I get goosebump as I always thought the pasture will be greener on the other side. Unfortunately, tension is brewing and they're speculating the recent highlights by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Long is to pave a way for next General Election.

Pay a trip to local Sg forum and witness yourself. Is a time bomb ticking.

:wink: I do noticed .
Yup I read about PM lee comments
about NS stuff? blah blah ....

and ya I noticed alot local singaporean is very very piss of with FT.

I am a local singaporean. I am don;t feel piss off.
I feel this is the global trend for FT going around the countries stay and work.

I am give an open mind view on this :wink:
ya I do encounter local friends comment FTs are stealing their jobs , girls ?lol...ect

But still I just smile and give an open view.

I am also encounter an unpleasent incidents with FTs before and nearly get into fight ! But I keep my cool.


what I know , the local gov seem tighten abit on FT .
Maybe they want to calm down the locals first.

I don;t feel surprised next election the ruling party get lesser vote due to FT problems will be raise up as a debate Qs by the opposition parties here.

But still I can confirm 100 percent Ruling party still hold the control here.
at most the most shocking part is one of the GRC been taken by opposition party that is the workers party.

In the last election one the GRC nearly been taken control by WP.

overall I feel everywhere is the same.

ppl tend to always think the pasture will be greener on the other side. :lol:
but turn up is another story.

I have mention before my frd who migrate , pr in aust
and the aust kids there make fun of his english accents.

But he don;t bother .He also get bad incident with the locals there
He also feel sad seem like going to stay and work in the country which he love to go seem become like a hell to him.

In the end , he still stay in aust work . :wink: now he used to it and even know some good locals aust there who is helpful to him and treat him as a local.


sgforum?? I seldom go there take a look but I know this forum
lol in fact I seem lurking in most local forum here to see what they talk.

Don;t take it too seriously inside what they comments on FTs.

some of them are losers themself blame themself don;t work hard at work and get replaced by FT

in the end blame is FT stealing their job :oops:

summary :wink: just view the locals comments causually don;t take it too seriously.

as I always said enjoy ur stay and work in here
don;t bother what others said

They can kill you on the spot? don;t fear in sg is illegal to own guns .

Next the gov also don;t give a dam view on this lol
Don;t worry important as I mention , enjoy ur work and stay here
Not all singaporean here don;t welcome FT .
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Post by SGBoyxxx » Wed, 07 Oct 2009 5:26 pm

econoMIC wrote:
SGBoyxxx wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:sgboy, it wasn't Malaysia news, it was a report on Singapore in the Malaysian newspapers because we cannot quote from a certain paper here in Singapore.
Come on mate :wink: local media can be trusted? I believe u are smarted than me :oops:

nowadays medias be in it from sg or oversea news media

sometime we have to read more from different sources out there

than we can judge ourself is it true?the news ?

if yes , is the writer or reporter comment the articles is purely on his/her point of view?
Okay, you are starting to just talk rubbish as you are doing Kopitiam talk. You need to back up what you say with facts.

Fact is that it is happening. We have had many users recently who have been turned down for PR when beforehand they would have been granted PR no doubt. Further some of us know people at ICA and this has been confirmed. Then you can just take the statistics and you will see that net immigration is falling. Further the government has clearly stated that they are putting a lid on it as dissatisfaction among the locals about foreigners pushing down prices and the lack of willingness of PRCs to integrate has risen.

I am not disputing that if Joe Bloke has an offer paying $10k a month he will get his EP no problem but those are the exceptions, not the rule. We are talking about the majority of immigrants on S and Q passes.

:wink: I heard this too recently
they seem make it strict for FT become PR here.

I feel the gov just want to calm the locals down .
Rumours also spread that election is coming :lol: maybe thats the reasons?

if a person is truely a talent be it he/she come to sg?or other countries ?
the agency surely will approve their request :wink:

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Post by ScoobyDoes » Wed, 07 Oct 2009 6:12 pm

Technically it doesn't really matter if there is an election coming or not, we already know the result and how the result will be achieved.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 07 Oct 2009 6:31 pm

ScoobyDoes wrote:Technically it doesn't really matter if there is an election coming or not, we already know the result and how the result will be achieved.
Ain't it the truth! :-|

Our little corner of our current constituency has changed constituencies 4 times in the last four elections. :lol:
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Post by econoMIC » Wed, 07 Oct 2009 7:01 pm

ScoobyDoes wrote:Technically it doesn't really matter if there is an election coming or not, we already know the result and how the result will be achieved.
Yes! It is called progress package, aka money (at least for the wife that is in most of our cases).
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Post by teck21 » Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:57 am

ScoobyDoes wrote:Technically it doesn't really matter if there is an election coming or not, we already know the result and how the result will be achieved.
Yeah. It's funny why so few here think it is fine for 30% of the voting population to have voted for the opposition and yet have a only 2.5% oppositional representation in parliament.
SGBoyxxx wrote:I am a local singaporean. I am don;t feel piss off.
I feel this is the global trend for FT going around the countries stay and work.
You my friend, are mighty generous. I am pissed off as hell. Not as you would think, with foreigners though. Hell, as far as I am concerned, all countries should open all doors to everyone all the time.

Time in fact, to abolish the nation state (the most harmful social construct since religion, possibly even more deadly). Nevermind, I digress.

SGBoy, alot of Singaporeans really do welcome foreigners. Everyone proclaims so in the published media. Yet alot of the very same people who spout such nonsense, without even needing to make any conscious effort, class many of the foreigners here as something beneath the cockroach.

Where did Singaporeans learn these attitudes from? No doubt part of it is very ingrained in East Asian culture of social stratification which has not yet been 'liberated' so to speak. And of course from the government, which actively adopts such a beggar-thy-neighbour attitude towards its weaker and less-prosperous neighbours.

And Mr Lee has the cheek to instruct the US to be nice to PRC students studying there.

Analyst, 'Pay a trip to local Sg forum and witness yourself. Is a time bomb ticking.'

Maybe not to that extent. This is a country of sheep led by lions. The sheep are in no hurry to revolt (or do anything which may even remotely be construed as such).

Social engineering at its finest. 30 years of refinement, and now perfection. Well, almost.

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Post by Strong Eagle » Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:31 am

teck21 wrote:Yeah. It's funny why so few here think it is fine for 30% of the voting population to have voted for the opposition and yet have a only 2.5% oppositional representation in parliament.
It is described as a 'winner take all' system of democracy. The gahmen will point to the factionalism and paralysis of many multi party parliamentary systems as the reason for the winner take all system. One need only look to Malaysia and Thailand (with proportional representation) to see how easily racial and religious divides can be inflamed.

They have a point, and without passing judgment on the 'democratic' aspects of a winner take all system, it does have some advantages over a multi-party system. I suppose the only question would be: What would happen if PAP got only 49 percent of the vote?

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Post by SGBoyxxx » Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:37 am

Strong Eagle wrote:
teck21 wrote:Yeah. It's funny why so few here think it is fine for 30% of the voting population to have voted for the opposition and yet have a only 2.5% oppositional representation in parliament.
It is described as a 'winner take all' system of democracy. The gahmen will point to the factionalism and paralysis of many multi party parliamentary systems as the reason for the winner take all system. One need only look to Malaysia and Thailand (with proportional representation) to see how easily racial and religious divides can be inflamed.

They have a point, and without passing judgment on the 'democratic' aspects of a winner take all system, it does have some advantages over a multi-party system. I suppose the only question would be: What would happen if PAP got only 49 percent of the vote?

seriously I don;t like present PAP some of the ministers and the president.
sorry to say that.

I miss the former president they are..

Mr Wee Kim Wee and Mr Ong Teng Cheong :( but they were no around anymore RIP.

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Post by econoMIC » Thu, 08 Oct 2009 4:06 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:
teck21 wrote:Yeah. It's funny why so few here think it is fine for 30% of the voting population to have voted for the opposition and yet have a only 2.5% oppositional representation in parliament.
It is described as a 'winner take all' system of democracy. The gahmen will point to the factionalism and paralysis of many multi party parliamentary systems as the reason for the winner take all system. One need only look to Malaysia and Thailand (with proportional representation) to see how easily racial and religious divides can be inflamed.

They have a point, and without passing judgment on the 'democratic' aspects of a winner take all system, it does have some advantages over a multi-party system. I suppose the only question would be: What would happen if PAP got only 49 percent of the vote?
Totally agreed, proportional representation is a nice idea in theory. But once it is applied the inevitable result is the fractioning of parties with smaller parties at the extreme ends of the spectrum very fragile coalition governments (see Italy, Germany, in fact all of Western and Central Europe). The only thing worse is a fractioned around the post system though like we see it in Canada, you will be forced to have minority governments. They are so unstable that you have another snap election every two years or less.

In reality (in my opinion) a first past the post system is the only viable option as it magnifies the winning party's victory and ensures they have a majority to govern and quickly react. Where there are minority governments springing up this indicates a fracture among more serious lines (bloc quebecois in Canada) and should thus be resolved by devolution (see Northern Ireland, Scotland).
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Post by jpatokal » Thu, 08 Oct 2009 6:22 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:One need only look to Malaysia and Thailand (with proportional representation) to see how easily racial and religious divides can be inflamed.
Thailand's divisions are neither racial nor religious* -- it's fundamentally a battle between the monarchy-military-business elite "yellow" axis that has ruled the country for the past 100+ years, and the impoverished "red" masses that had a taste of power under Thaksin and aren't about to give it up. Proportional representation has next to nothing to do with their habit of coups, counter-coups and profoundly undemocratic meddling in the background...

Also, I think the most remarkable thing about Malaysian politics is how unpolarized the opposition has become: the Pakatan Rakyat is supported by Malays, Chinese and Indians alike. Same goes for Indonesia, where Muslim fundamentalist and all other ethnic/religious parties are entirely failing to get into power.

* ...except in the Deep South, of course, but that's a different kettle of fish with little if anything to do with the red-or-yellow divide.
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Post by Strong Eagle » Thu, 08 Oct 2009 6:49 pm

jpatokal wrote:
Strong Eagle wrote:One need only look to Malaysia and Thailand (with proportional representation) to see how easily racial and religious divides can be inflamed.
Thailand's divisions are neither racial nor religious* -- it's fundamentally a battle between the monarchy-military-business elite "yellow" axis that has ruled the country for the past 100+ years, and the impoverished "red" masses that had a taste of power under Thaksin and aren't about to give it up. Proportional representation has next to nothing to do with their habit of coups, counter-coups and profoundly undemocratic meddling in the background...
Yah... I actually ended up thinking that after I posted... wanted to see who would catch me. I was in Bangkok last week and I saw zero yellow shirts... unusual, I think.

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Post by ksl » Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:30 pm

(see Northern Ireland, Scotland).
Stormont ah what a flop that was, I was ordered to be a waiter while i was in the military, at the establishment in 1972, little did they realise I was the wrong one to send there, for every couple of drinks i handed out I drank one, ended up pissed out of my head and relieved from duty, they came back to our discotheque in Long Kesh the internment camp, only to get other surprises from a Royal Marine that did a streak with flashing christmas lights on his dingalingling on the dance floor!

Nah didn't work out very well Stormont

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