Concern over rising population

taxico · Post by **taxico** » Mon, 05 Oct 2009 8:06 am

waz wrote:I don't agree calling these foreigners with external degree idiots. They are actually very smart.

In the heat of getting highly qualified people, Singapore gave PRship easily.

i personally do not believe a person's intelligence/capabilities lie with whether or not they have a degree (nor whether it's an "external" degree).

you've also pointed out the what i feel is/was the problem; just that "highly qualified" on paper doesn't always mean "for the good of singapore's long term future/development/growth/etc'.

sunday and economic have replied sufficiently for me to not make farther comments to your post.

taxico · Post by **taxico** » Mon, 05 Oct 2009 8:10 am

mrlily wrote:SG by nature attracts transient's...

PR's will always have the choice to leave SG and there is nothing the government can do about it...

just because singapore attracts transient migrants doesn't mean it always has to be this way.

and indeed, the govt has done something about it!

mrlily wrote:it seems to me Singaporeans are more pissed about;

"Instead, they resent the longer queues, increased job competition, depressed wages and the higher costs of almost every thing, especially in public housing."

rather than foreigners upskilling in SG and leaving.

both go side by side if not hand in hand or front to back.

hey...!

sillingw · Post by **sillingw** » Mon, 05 Oct 2009 1:13 pm

taxico wrote: i personally do not believe a person's intelligence/capabilities lie with whether or not they have a degree (nor whether it's an external" degree)."

I agree that a uni qualification should not be the only measure, but it is an important measure for me - It at least shows a willingness to work (mostly) - without this measure, how do I start to filter the many applicants who apply for a role I have open? I'm afraid, University degree is my start point - No degree, no interview. I do not think I am alone in this. Even though it's an imperfect filter.

sillingw · Post by **sillingw** » Mon, 05 Oct 2009 1:14 pm

screwed up the quote system again

taxico · Post by **taxico** » Mon, 05 Oct 2009 1:22 pm

sillingw wrote:I agree that a uni qualification should not be the only measure, but it is an important measure for me - It at least shows a willingness to work (mostly) - without this measure, how do I start to filter the many applicants who apply for a role I have open? I'm afraid, University degree is my start point - No degree, no interview. I do not think I am alone in this. Even though it's an imperfect filter.

you won't believe the number of idiots i've come across that have professional or doctoral degrees (or both). i'm one of them!

degrees these days are a dime a dozen. your last sentence, that's what!

sillingw · Post by **sillingw** » Mon, 05 Oct 2009 3:39 pm

The last sentence highlights my problem. When I post a position, I get far too many applicants to process individually, I am not HR, but I have to get HR to shortlist before I meet them. I agree that some people who I have met with, who appeared on paper to be qualified, turned out to be abysmal, but I still go with industry experience and Uni degree as mandatory, then conduct phone calls before the face to face meeting. No degree, no phone call - This by the way has been the way in my previous company, another MNC.

SGBoyxxx · Post by **SGBoyxxx** » Mon, 05 Oct 2009 4:01 pm

analyst wrote:Dear forumers,

Bad news.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.as ... &sec=focus

I guess entry is going to be a lot tougher in the coming years.

thestar? this is a malaysian website if I am correct.

don;t believe any news they said regarding singapore.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Mon, 05 Oct 2009 6:09 pm

Have you been hiding under a rock? Don't you read the local birdcage liner? It's been in the news here that it's been tightened up as well. As we cannot link or quote that birdcage liner, you are just going to have to search for it though.

Plavt · Post by **Plavt** » Mon, 05 Oct 2009 7:36 pm

Perhaps I am a little late in posting this but put simply the point being made above is degrees very often don't prove anything other than the holder went to university and got cetified. A quote from a friend himself a degree holder in relation to the recent proliferation of such qualifications; 'I think they will establish their own heirarchy, some will be worth something others worth nothing.'

Maybe that's why sillingw and others find it difficult to select applicants. There is no doubt some who hold degrees or even PHD's are prize idiots, you only need to look at some politicians to realize that.

However, there are not a few people in various industries throughout the world without such qualifications but have the ability and knowledge to do their respective jobs well.

winger7 · Post by **winger7** » Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:57 am

Well sounds like bad news to me since some said to wait out the recession, but now it seems like it's getting ever so hard to get a job there especially when your not in the country. Honestly, moving there doesnt seem realistic to me anymore, even thought I was planning to move summer of 2010...

SGBoyxxx · Post by **SGBoyxxx** » Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:48 pm

no matter what SG will welcome FT .

don;t be affected by malaysia news.

All along they just jealous of what singapore have

the safe enviornment here compare to malaysia is the main advantage .

Of cos if you thinking of places to relax .Malaysia has many nice places to go because their country is big.but no fear , since sg is so near to malaysia.Over the weekend you can just drive in or take public transport go in.BUT BEWARE ....of pickpockets and robber.

if given to choose to settle and work
I will no douth choose SG .

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Wed, 07 Oct 2009 1:21 pm

sgboy, it wasn't Malaysia news, it was a report on Singapore in the Malaysian newspapers because we cannot quote from a certain paper here in Singapore.

Saint · Post by **Saint** » Wed, 07 Oct 2009 1:31 pm

Plavt wrote:
However, there are not a few people in various industries throughout the world without such qualifications but have the ability and knowledge to do their respective jobs well.

I'm probably a prime example, left skool with one A'level in music but now have many years experience in my field, in Mr sillingw's world my CV wouldn't have got past the delete button

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Wed, 07 Oct 2009 2:09 pm

Nor would mine.

SGBoyxxx · Post by **SGBoyxxx** » Wed, 07 Oct 2009 3:03 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:sgboy, it wasn't Malaysia news, it was a report on Singapore in the Malaysian newspapers because we cannot quote from a certain paper here in Singapore.

Come on mate

local media can be trusted? I believe u are smarted than me

nowadays medias be in it from sg or oversea news media

sometime we have to read more from different sources out there

than we can judge ourself is it true?the news ?

if yes , is the writer or reporter comment the articles is purely on his/her point of view?

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