Sounds like you have it all figured out... so why ask questions... and good luck... let us know how it turns out.ceej1979 wrote:Thanks for the reply. I have to be honest, I think it's something I will have to find out myself.
Anyway, the above:
a: Pay isn't really an issue. The salaries I have seen, are on a par with what I get at the minute. It's more an experience move, than a career move. I may well head back to the uk in 2-3 years anyway, if it happens.
b: I'm not convinced this is the case at all. Countries all around the world (including my own) hire foreigners, who have chosen to base themselves in the country. As in, if you're good enough for the job, and you live there, they'll consider you.
Although I don't deny that they probably have to fill the majority of roles with locals, I don't believe that every single mid level publishing role in Singapore, HAS to be filled by a Singaporean, if there is a decent one available. Laws like this are quotas - as in, a percentage - not the rule. 100% of mid level publishing jobs in Singapore, will not have to go to a Singaporeans, just because they can fill them locally. If I made a commitment to live in Singapore, and was available for interviews in the country (as in, I was already living there), I struggle to believe that I wouldn't be considered seriously, for any applicable publishing job, just because of my passport.
As for EP, I don't see the link between "The company would have to prove they couldn't fill the position with local talent in order to get an EP" and me getting an EP, if I got a job. Speaking to the MOM when I was there, they told me, if I got offered a job, and was earning more than 2'500 a month, I would probably get one. Something my brother echoed. I can't see the link between me being from the UK, and being given an EP? Or why on earth a company not hiring a Singaporean for the job, would have anything to do with it. From what I've read into it, a permit to work, of some kind, is probably the bottom of the list, in terms of worries!
c) agreed, and I've heard the same. Very network driven. However, I wouldn't be actually targeting newspapers, or local titles. Many multi national publishers and broadcasters, base themselves in Singapore. I would almost certainly be targeting a global, multi national publisher/broadcaster's Singapore office. It wouldn't be a case of working for a small Singapore business. More a Singapore base, of a western company.
Googling certain topics on the web, I've seen your name pop up time and time again in "trying to find work" topics.sundaymorningstaple wrote:I'm curious frankly, why ARE you here? You come here like a little know it all who doesn't know squat considering you supposedly have family here and all you can do is brag about how much money they have, as if we give a squat.
For all you self hype, your knowledge of Singapore is woefully inadequate and considering the amount of knowledge on the web about this tiny red dot. You seem to be rather inadequate in your other abilities as well.
Sorry, but you might be in for a learning experience for sure.
One can only hope.
Sorry, it's just when you keep hearing different things, from different people, it's kind of hard to know what to take in.Strong Eagle wrote:Sounds like you have it all figured out... so why ask questions... and good luck... let us know how it turns out.ceej1979 wrote:Thanks for the reply. I have to be honest, I think it's something I will have to find out myself.
Anyway, the above:
a: Pay isn't really an issue. The salaries I have seen, are on a par with what I get at the minute. It's more an experience move, than a career move. I may well head back to the uk in 2-3 years anyway, if it happens.
b: I'm not convinced this is the case at all. Countries all around the world (including my own) hire foreigners, who have chosen to base themselves in the country. As in, if you're good enough for the job, and you live there, they'll consider you.
Although I don't deny that they probably have to fill the majority of roles with locals, I don't believe that every single mid level publishing role in Singapore, HAS to be filled by a Singaporean, if there is a decent one available. Laws like this are quotas - as in, a percentage - not the rule. 100% of mid level publishing jobs in Singapore, will not have to go to a Singaporeans, just because they can fill them locally. If I made a commitment to live in Singapore, and was available for interviews in the country (as in, I was already living there), I struggle to believe that I wouldn't be considered seriously, for any applicable publishing job, just because of my passport.
As for EP, I don't see the link between "The company would have to prove they couldn't fill the position with local talent in order to get an EP" and me getting an EP, if I got a job. Speaking to the MOM when I was there, they told me, if I got offered a job, and was earning more than 2'500 a month, I would probably get one. Something my brother echoed. I can't see the link between me being from the UK, and being given an EP? Or why on earth a company not hiring a Singaporean for the job, would have anything to do with it. From what I've read into it, a permit to work, of some kind, is probably the bottom of the list, in terms of worries!
c) agreed, and I've heard the same. Very network driven. However, I wouldn't be actually targeting newspapers, or local titles. Many multi national publishers and broadcasters, base themselves in Singapore. I would almost certainly be targeting a global, multi national publisher/broadcaster's Singapore office. It wouldn't be a case of working for a small Singapore business. More a Singapore base, of a western company.
Why am I here? I made it pretty clear I feel. To ask for advice on finding jobs.sundaymorningstaple wrote:I'm curious frankly, why ARE you here? You come here like a little know it all who doesn't know squat considering you supposedly have family here and all you can do is brag about how much money they have, as if we give a squat.
For all you self hype, your knowledge of Singapore is woefully inadequate and considering the amount of knowledge on the web about this tiny red dot. You seem to be rather inadequate in your other abilities as well.
Sorry, but you might be in for a learning experience for sure.
One can only hope.
ceej1979 wrote:
Why am I here? I made it pretty clear I feel. To ask for advice on finding jobs.
Instead I got a succession of annoying, mockery-toned little messages, from most of Singapore's ex pat mid-managers. Who seem almost insulted that someone wants to try a new job in a new country.
Stop embarrassing yourself with your rather childish postings and you might be taken seriously. BTW I'm not middle management
You know, my brother often tells me how annoying it is working in the country. And how unpopular ex pats generally are in the local communities, because of a mixture of new found ego (probably what being a white guy in a country of Asians does to you), arrogance, and general flashiness.
You'll probably find that most members who have commented on your postings have either lived in Singapore longer than you've been out of short pants or married to locals. It's not just the locals that find both you and your brother's attitude unpopular but many many expats
So much so that he refuses to socialise with said people, and really does just keep his head down at work.
Which is probably for the best
I have to admit, I thought he was exaggerating. But having gone on to an ex pat forum (where I honestly expected people to be pretty helpful) and had (bar a few decent answers) little more than a few middle age men, mocking my attempts to better myself - you know........
Seriously. You may find all of this "let's burst there bubble" mockery stuff on here, pretty funny - but you really should understand that this is people's lives and futures that they are wishing to discuss on here. It's not some topic for you to get a few laughs from.
This entire site should be ashamed of itself. It's no source for ex pats to get information. People aren't helpful.
You asked questions and you got honest answers, and well deserved.
It's a site full of bullying middle aged, mid managers, who think they have made it because they have a maid............. who just come on to have a laugh at other people's expense
SMS and SE are definitely not middle aged and I don't have a maid and I'm not middle management
Seriously, this site is a disgrace, and you should all be embarrassed. People coming on here, talking about moving to Singapore, and looking for jobs.
It's life changing stuff for them. They aren't just coming on here to be the butt of someones joke
It's actually more embarrassing for people here reading postings like yours, and it's not just you but you've taken first prize this month. Most of your postings have been very inaccurate that it's been left to others to mop up behind you
You are asking on advice on jobs yet in another thread you are dismissing experienced user's information as faulty (see below). The fact is that these users are running their own businesses themselves and regularly try to apply for EPs for their staff and should know best about the quirks of it and the odds of being approved. You also can't blame them for not lying to you but putting things as they are, things have changed in Singapore throughout the last two years.ceej1979 wrote:Why am I here? I made it pretty clear I feel. To ask for advice on finding jobs. ...
We are trying to help people and are honest about things. Whoever doesn't like it here is free to not post here. One thing we are proud of is that we do not sugar coat things but tell them as they are. It is very easy to say my brother say this and that, my in laws are loaded but when it boils down to it, we do not rely on hearsay but all went through it. As mentioned SE and SMS regularly apply for foreigners' EPs and know the law inside out, Saint, KSL and myself have both gone through the PR process as spouses of Singaporeans and know the quirks of applying overseas and NS duties for PRs in this scheme... we have actually experienced the processes and corresponded with the agencies plenty of times. So if you do not want our advise, then please ignore it but do not go dismissing everything people with first hand experience say just because some hearsay you picked up is different and you actually don't have a clue what you are talking about.ceej1979 wrote: sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Not quite smart enough though huh. No your wife can't work on an LTSVP. Without a sponsoring company willing to employ her it will be virtually a no-go. The fact that she has 7 years experience doesn't matter if there are sufficient locals to fill those positions. The reason for bringing expats into the country is to fill jobs that either they do not have sufficient qualified people to fill or the locals refuse to do those kinds of menial labour. Why should they just open their doors and let all and sundry just waltz in an take their jobs?
Because it happens in every country on the planet? All successful economies are based on a mixture of local and ex pat work forces.
I really wish people would stop posting this "it's impossible to get a job if your're not local" rubbish on here.
It flies in the face of reason. To claridy, Singaporean employers, in my experience do not give every single job they have to nationals, just because they are Singaporean, and qualified for it.
They have quotas to fill, of course. But if you are livinig there, apply for a job, and are qualified, you'll have a decent shout, no matter what your passport says.
I can't help but think people like you just come on here trying to put people off trying.
This theory that Singapore employers will only hire Singaporeans, for all jobs, is just plain false.
Bullshit! Singapore is not Europe where natives from neighbouring countries may enter and take up both residence and employment. In case you haven't noticed the other nationalities in Britain, alongside European that is, are either refugees or possess skills/qualifications that Britain either or always has been short of.ceej1979 wrote:
b: I'm not convinced this is the case at all. Countries all around the world (including my own) hire foreigners, who have chosen to base themselves in the country. As in, if you're good enough for the job, and you live there, they'll consider you. [/b]
This is standard knowledge amongst expats..........As for EP, I don't see the link between "The company would have to prove they couldn't fill the position with local talent in order to get an EP"
littlegreenman wrote:You are asking on advice on jobs yet in another thread you are dismissing experienced user's information as faulty (see below). The fact is that these users are running their own businesses themselves and regularly try to apply for EPs for their staff and should know best about the quirks of it and the odds of being approved. You also can't blame them for not lying to you but putting things as they are, things have changed in Singapore throughout the last two years.ceej1979 wrote:Why am I here? I made it pretty clear I feel. To ask for advice on finding jobs. ...
We are trying to help people and are honest about things. Whoever doesn't like it here is free to not post here. One thing we are proud of is that we do not sugar coat things but tell them as they are. It is very easy to say my brother say this and that, my in laws are loaded but when it boils down to it, we do not rely on hearsay but all went through it. As mentioned SE and SMS regularly apply for foreigners' EPs and know the law inside out, Saint, KSL and myself have both gone through the PR process as spouses of Singaporeans and know the quirks of applying overseas and NS duties for PRs in this scheme... we have actually experienced the processes and corresponded with the agencies plenty of times. So if you do not want our advise, then please ignore it but do not go dismissing everything people with first hand experience say just because some hearsay you picked up is different and you actually don't have a clue what you are talking about.ceej1979 wrote: sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Not quite smart enough though huh. No your wife can't work on an LTSVP. Without a sponsoring company willing to employ her it will be virtually a no-go. The fact that she has 7 years experience doesn't matter if there are sufficient locals to fill those positions. The reason for bringing expats into the country is to fill jobs that either they do not have sufficient qualified people to fill or the locals refuse to do those kinds of menial labour. Why should they just open their doors and let all and sundry just waltz in an take their jobs?
Because it happens in every country on the planet? All successful economies are based on a mixture of local and ex pat work forces.
I really wish people would stop posting this "it's impossible to get a job if your're not local" rubbish on here.
It flies in the face of reason. To claridy, Singaporean employers, in my experience do not give every single job they have to nationals, just because they are Singaporean, and qualified for it.
They have quotas to fill, of course. But if you are livinig there, apply for a job, and are qualified, you'll have a decent shout, no matter what your passport says.
I can't help but think people like you just come on here trying to put people off trying.
This theory that Singapore employers will only hire Singaporeans, for all jobs, is just plain false.
Last but not least: your comment about Singaporean employers only hiring Singaporeans for jobs being wrong, well you actually have a point there. There is plenty of PRs as well and if they can't find anybody with the right skills they look overseas to fill the talent pool (not my words but those of the last three Prime Ministers). The emphasis is on talent, something you obviously do not poses as otherwise you wouldn't resolve to generally dismissing experienced users' comments and making unfounded statements just because you don't like what they say. So please as you don't like this place (you made this clear a few times already), just get lost, the mods might kick you shortly anyway.
ceej1979 wrote:"Stop embarrassing yourself with your rather childish postings and you might be taken seriously. BTW I'm not middle management [/color]"
If you took the time to read, I was not even referring to you. There is no way I would describe you as any sort of businessman. More a very bored 20 something, who probably has a bit of a chip on his shoulder, and who quite obviously just comes on here to antagonise.
If you took the time to read your posting you stated "messages from most of Singapore's expat mid-managers" as SMS doesn't make up most of Singapore's mid-managers, I therefore assumed you were referring to other poster as well. Maybe you should phrase your postings better, what's your profession?
Once again you managing to make sweeping judgements on people, you know absolutely nothing about me, nor do you of others on the forum. You've managed to make postings concerning various subjects including renting property, buy a car, which were so inaccurate and is left for others to sweep up the mess behind you.
As I remember, you engineered this "argument" by taking offence to me saying I had sorted out accomodation?
The are many many people like yourself you have aspirations and naive assumptions that they can just fly in to Singapore and stay as long as they like until they find a job. The statement I made was just pointing out that unless you have a job your permanent move to Singapore is no way near complete. That is fact
"It's not just the locals that find both you and your brother's attitude unpopular but many many expats"
Again, probably an example of how argumentative your trying to be, but your responding to a message that wasn't even intended to you. Is it really that slow on the "wind up" front, tonight?
It's an open forum so you leave yourself open to anyone commenting on your statements
Well, in my time in the country, I've been told by "locals" as you put it, that most ex pats are generally unpopular in the areas they live, because of a mixture of overblown, almost colonial ego, and general protectionism. You, being a self admitted, long time ex pat - I'm glad you admit that you're probably the blueprint for this.
I live in the East Coast which believe is one of the areas you are referring to where the locals find the expats unpopular? Well I've never experienced this nor have a I heard of anyone experiencing this.
Sadly, I've never been there long enough to offend anyone.
And from that statement you are implying that give you enough time you will offend.
durain wrote:if you got unique skills like cold fusion (not to be confused with ColdFusion), or virtualisation or a doctor specialise in seperating conjoined twins, then you defo got a chance to work in singapore.
but if you got just bog standard quali, why would a company hire you when there are thousands of better qualified locals or other expats?
this is singapore, this is not UK where illegal immigrant can work as traffic warden, security guard, quack and even as an immigration officer!
reading some of your post, you know jack about singapore. no one is here to burst your bubble. the replies you got are reality.
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