You mean spousal applications don't work these days?but my friends got theirs this yr(2009)even with low qualifications through their singapore wives/husbands.Pepijn wrote:I do think a proper point is being made. Look at it from the governments point of view.
Your wife is PR and working here for a couple of years. Because she is here, you can stay here until she leaves. Since you don't bring in any form of tax or contribution (monetary) for them, why would they give you the independent right to stay?
As soon as you secure a job with an EP, meaning you contribute and you would have an independent reason to stay, ICA sees a reason to keep you onboard by giving you a PR status.
I do understand a lot of jobs want you to be PR, I ran into the same issues, but that s not something ICA is concerned with.
Not saying I don't understand your frustration, but I think they are trying to make a point now, that they will not give people PR status, without these people contributing. They have a point in a way. You are still allowed to stay, and have the advantage of education and being locally based. It took me two years to find a proper job in Singapore. I could have married my fiancee in the hope I could get a PR status, but made the choice for independence.
In case you think this is a flame, it is not intended that way, I just hope you see things from another view point, and not think it's a personal slight of the state towards you.
That is the big big difference, your wife isn't Singaporean.uc wrote:You mean spousal applications don't work these days?but my friends got theirs this yr(2009)even with low qualifications through their singapore wives/husbands.Pepijn wrote:I do think a proper point is being made. Look at it from the governments point of view.
Your wife is PR and working here for a couple of years. Because she is here, you can stay here until she leaves. Since you don't bring in any form of tax or contribution (monetary) for them, why would they give you the independent right to stay?
As soon as you secure a job with an EP, meaning you contribute and you would have an independent reason to stay, ICA sees a reason to keep you onboard by giving you a PR status.
I do understand a lot of jobs want you to be PR, I ran into the same issues, but that s not something ICA is concerned with.
Not saying I don't understand your frustration, but I think they are trying to make a point now, that they will not give people PR status, without these people contributing. They have a point in a way. You are still allowed to stay, and have the advantage of education and being locally based. It took me two years to find a proper job in Singapore. I could have married my fiancee in the hope I could get a PR status, but made the choice for independence.
In case you think this is a flame, it is not intended that way, I just hope you see things from another view point, and not think it's a personal slight of the state towards you.
Even relying on your own opinion there is completely no reason why PR should be granted. From the government point of view it would only mean more expenses and if they want to protect local market turning down your EP appl. why should they grant even more privileges with PR?uc wrote:Mr Saint,i have been getting jobs here,even when i was on my MBA program....my four Ep applications were denied and the officers admonished that it was not my fault rather because of reccession,that currently their concerns are on their citizens and PRs(says MOM officer)..So you can see that jobs are not the problem.The records are there bro.
Maybe they are testing my loyalty,,if i can wait or not....I resent your opinion on MBA qualication being 3rd rate qualification.
Please i have undiluted experiences in various work places both in my country and beyond....Thats not the the case here ok,What we are talking about is spousal application....Please do not pass or give a sordid advice...Read what i posted earlier on,i have met with the officer today and she has advised us to reapply in may 5th 2010,ok.Family ties's a different application says officer,and it has nothing to do if one parter is working or not.sundaymorningstaple wrote:If it was a local MBA I would have to agree. (well not quite, but just a hair above 3rd rate). You don't have a job yet as far as I can see by your posts thus far. Saying you have had job offers is not the same as having a job. Part of the process is getting a job offer from a company that can support the necessity of hiring a greenhorn MBA without experience. A degree, without any experience, is just a piece of paper. A Masters is even worse if you don't have any experience to back up the MBA. That just says you can do academics. Does not indicate how effective you actually are in the workplace. Until you can demonstrate that, I'm afraid ICA's assessment is correct.
Is that detailed enough! See, that is what I mean, you have the paper, but it doesn't make you bright enough to reason out something that simple. You need experience rather than railing at those who give you answers that you don't want to hear. Probably your best bet is to return home.
I will get it with patience.sundaymorningstaple wrote:So why do you think that is. Making you wait a almost a year? Or didn't to officer tell you? Or didn't you ask? So why are you posting in the first place then? We don't know the priority system and only have anecdotal evidence to go by. Additionally, I believe I know what the rules are governing Spousal Applications for PR, I got mine that way and long, long time ago. (better than 16 years now). If you don't write clear English, then we have to try to interpret what it is that you are trying to say. "I've had lots of Jobs but they all was PR or Citizens, come back when you have PR." Does that sound like you had a job? Doesn't sound like it to me. Sounded only like job offers. Just like a database, garbage in - garbage out.
The rules are changing daily with PR application since September this year. It's getting harder and harder. If you are not able to get a job, and you knock up your wife and she get retrenched, if they have given you PR, you then become a ward of the Country right? So it makes sense to me. Additionally, I suspect that as you got married here only a couple of months ago, ICA is probably looking at it as a marriage of convenience and wants to make sure that the marriage is for real and not a business transaction. It's been done here numerous times (and found out). And because of the economic mess, people are trying all kinds of crap to stay here. So don't get your dander up.
Good example..... what the hell is "undiluted experiences"?
The only thing sure is that there is no single factor and I would definitely not go that far to consider somebody's effective contribution in a form of breeding NS capable male successors. I guess there is at least equal chance that she may get a job and make by this redundant a Singaporean daddy so his family will not afford another child (possibly male, NS capable). Just to illustrate where this kind of speculations may lead to.revhappy wrote:I thought MOM would consider PR applications favorably when both husband and wife would apply together, in such cases the wife may not be working. So when spouse of PR applies individually and not working then they dont give PR? If that is the case then when both husband and wife apply for PR, why cant they grant PR to working husband and reject PR for housewife? I dont understand. Isnt there a chance that if the OP is granted PR they would produce a male child and would help the NS mission?
I'm very surprised you are annoyed that your PR application has been refused. You keep on avoiding the fact that your wife isn't Singaporean but just a PR. If you look at the back ground of your PR application it doesn't really tick many boxes.uc wrote:Please i have undiluted experiences in various work places both in my country and beyond....Thats not the the case here ok,What we are talking about is spousal application....Please do not pass or give a sordid advice...Read what i posted earlier on,i have met with the officer today and she has advised us to reapply in may 5th 2010,ok.Family ties's a different application says officer,and it has nothing to do if one parter is working or not.sundaymorningstaple wrote:If it was a local MBA I would have to agree. (well not quite, but just a hair above 3rd rate). You don't have a job yet as far as I can see by your posts thus far. Saying you have had job offers is not the same as having a job. Part of the process is getting a job offer from a company that can support the necessity of hiring a greenhorn MBA without experience. A degree, without any experience, is just a piece of paper. A Masters is even worse if you don't have any experience to back up the MBA. That just says you can do academics. Does not indicate how effective you actually are in the workplace. Until you can demonstrate that, I'm afraid ICA's assessment is correct.
Is that detailed enough! See, that is what I mean, you have the paper, but it doesn't make you bright enough to reason out something that simple. You need experience rather than railing at those who give you answers that you don't want to hear. Probably your best bet is to return home.
I believe i can get it once i reapply next year as they advised...My friends that had only diplomas got theirs through their spouse but on the second applications...Thanks
I believe you were trying to advice and to insult....ICA even denied my friends that have been here for years on P1.So they all know what they are doing.I'm gonna stick on what they adviced,to reapply in may 2010 , because before then my wife must have collected her citizenship.Thank youSaint wrote:I'm very surprised you are annoyed that your PR application has been refused. You keep on avoiding the fact that your wife isn't Singaporean but just a PR. If you look at the back ground of your PR application it doesn't really tick many boxes.uc wrote:Please i have undiluted experiences in various work places both in my country and beyond....Thats not the the case here ok,What we are talking about is spousal application....Please do not pass or give a sordid advice...Read what i posted earlier on,i have met with the officer today and she has advised us to reapply in may 5th 2010,ok.Family ties's a different application says officer,and it has nothing to do if one parter is working or not.sundaymorningstaple wrote:If it was a local MBA I would have to agree. (well not quite, but just a hair above 3rd rate). You don't have a job yet as far as I can see by your posts thus far. Saying you have had job offers is not the same as having a job. Part of the process is getting a job offer from a company that can support the necessity of hiring a greenhorn MBA without experience. A degree, without any experience, is just a piece of paper. A Masters is even worse if you don't have any experience to back up the MBA. That just says you can do academics. Does not indicate how effective you actually are in the workplace. Until you can demonstrate that, I'm afraid ICA's assessment is correct.
Is that detailed enough! See, that is what I mean, you have the paper, but it doesn't make you bright enough to reason out something that simple. You need experience rather than railing at those who give you answers that you don't want to hear. Probably your best bet is to return home.
I believe i can get it once i reapply next year as they advised...My friends that had only diplomas got theirs through their spouse but on the second applications...Thanks
You are an unemployed African national student married for 4 months to a Chinese PR?
For your sake, I hope you are right. It was in the news very recently, that lot's of PRC's who are PR's are being denied Citizenship.uc wrote:I'm gonna stick on what they adviced,to reapply in may 2010 , because before then my wife must have collected her citizenship.Thank you
Show me where that was an insult. I was just quoting facts as supplied by yourself that would have made up your PR application and reviewed by the ICA.uc wrote:
I believe you were trying to advice and to insult....ICA even denied my friends that have been here for years on P1.So they all know what they are doing.I'm gonna stick on what they adviced,to reapply in may 2010 , because before then my wife must have collected her citizenship.Thank you
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