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Post by revhappy » Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:13 am

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:16 am

revhappy wrote: In any case even if you become PR and make use of the benefits, the moment you renounce PR you will have to sell your house and give back all the subsidies that you have taken.

Unless you want to become a Singaporean Citizen, but do you really want to surrender your Indian passport? Remember the 21st century is going to belong to India and China. So by default you were born in the right country. Just enjoy your time here while it is good and when India really takes off thats the right place to be.
I'd be interested to hear which subsidies that you have taken you would have to give back upon renouncing your PR. (that are different than what a citizen would have to do that is). :-k

Additionally, it sounds like you are one of the ones advocating abuse of the system, one of the things that has all citizens and us Long Term PR's up in arms. Why not go back to India now and help to make it happen there, instead of coming here and waiting for others to make it happen and then going back? :cool:
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Post by singaporeflyer » Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:37 am

Thanks revhappy

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it would be great if you could advise me on my questions.thanks

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Post by revhappy » Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:42 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote: I'd be interested to hear which subsidies that you have taken you would have to give back upon renouncing your PR. (that are different than what a citizen would have to do that is). :-k

Additionally, it sounds like you are one of the ones advocating abuse of the system, one of the things that has all citizens and us Long Term PR's up in arms. Why not go back to India now and help to make it happen there, instead of coming here and waiting for others to make it happen and then going back? :cool:
I heard that the CPF corpus will not be returned in full, but any subsidies that were availed like school fees and hospitalization subsidies will be deducted from the CFP corpus before returning. I could be wrong but thats what a friend told me.

We dont have to be in India to make it happen. Indians abroad are contributing by way of valuable foreign exchange reserves by remitting to India. All our savings are in Indian Rupees. And why not? With fixed deposits interest rates at 7-10% per annum in India. Compare that with the Deposits rates in Singapore, which is 0.12% which is a joke. :lol:.
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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:56 pm

revhappy wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote: I'd be interested to hear which subsidies that you have taken you would have to give back upon renouncing your PR. (that are different than what a citizen would have to do that is). :-k

Additionally, it sounds like you are one of the ones advocating abuse of the system, one of the things that has all citizens and us Long Term PR's up in arms. Why not go back to India now and help to make it happen there, instead of coming here and waiting for others to make it happen and then going back? :cool:
I heard that the CPF corpus will not be returned in full, but any subsidies that were availed like school fees and hospitalization subsidies will be deducted from the CFP corpus before returning. I could be wrong but thats what a friend told me.

We dont have to be in India to make it happen. Indians abroad are contributing by way of valuable foreign exchange reserves by remitting to India. All our savings are in Indian Rupees. And why not? With fixed deposits interest rates at 7-10% per annum in India. Compare that with the Deposits rates in Singapore, which is 0.12% which is a joke. :lol:.
I'm not going to say you are wrong, as I'm searching for some sort of substantiation to your claims, but that's the first I've heard about it in the 27 years I've been here (17 of them as a PR). I think you have been misinformed. You might ask your friend to point out the location of the information. I'd also be interested in seeing the source as I don't believe in propagating hearsay or giving out and out false information. We generally try to point to sources to give credibility to our statements, rather than misinformation.

I don't quite see how sending money back to your families is going to help India take off. India needs the brains (the expatriated Indian) to return to Indian territory so that their creations/patents are owned locally by Indian companies and are developed in India so she gets the credit and the benefits she deserves. It doesn't do too much good for Indians to come the the US or UK or Aus and give their corporations the benefits of your knowledge or ingenuity and think that there will be a trickle-down effect back to India. Remittances haven't done anything for the good of the country yet (for the good of individual families yes).
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Post by singaporeflyer » Thu, 24 Dec 2009 9:28 am

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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:57 am Post subject: Singapore PR Rejected

hi friends,
i have been working in singapore for the past 11 months. i applied for my pr 3 months ago and it was rejected with the reason i have not met the residential requirements and asking me to reapply after 1 year. I am a Q1 pass holder. I am Single and i hold a Bachelors of Engineer Graduate from an reputed university in India. I have 4.5 years of working experience in IT. I submitted my PR with the sponsor letter from my company. I am working as a senior software programmer here in singapore. Will there be any chance of getting my application approved if I can appeal with my companys support letter ? I wish to work and settle down in singapore. have any one of you had your PR rejected, appealed and got a successful response ? what is the processing time for singapore PR rejection appeal? Any advise would be highly appreciated. Thanks

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As all you said my appeal was rejected. Thanks for your information,inputs and support. Thanks

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Posted : Wed Dec 23,2009

Hi All,
When my EP was renewed I was given a P2 pass and I have completed totally one year of working in Singapore. I would me married in February and my fiancee is a Master Degree Holder from India. What would be the best way and also the time to apply for the PR (considering if she is not going to work initially but would be staying with me in Singapore)? Is it to wait for another 2 years from the date of rejection or can reapply after 6 months from the date of rejection since my pass type has changed and also since I would have little more working experience in Singapore than what I had at the time of application and appeal ? Please advise. Thanks in Advance. I can clearly understand that all ur analysis and predictions by senior members in this forum are spot on. Thanks
Hi,
So will it be ok for me to wait for March/April 2010 when I would also would have filed my income tax returns, completed 1.5 years on the same job at singapore and also 8 months on P2 at that time. Can I apply for the PR only for myself alone and not for my financee who would be residing with me during April 2010? Would the chances of approval be better at that time considering the factors I have quoted here ? Thanks

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Post by revhappy » Thu, 24 Dec 2009 9:42 am

If you apply for yourself only and not your fiancee then you will definitely be rejected. They would think you dont want to settle here as a family but want PR for yourself only for convenience. So if you are married, it is best to apply together. Then they would think you want to live here as a family. So whenever you apply do apply together.

One of my colleagues PR got rejected, because he applied for himself and not his wife and son. Obviously they would have thought that he is avoiding his son getting into NS.

Another colleague of mine had applied with his wife and daughter in june 09 and had completed only 10 months at that time in Singapore and was on a P2 pass. His application was sucessfull.

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Post by singaporeflyer » Thu, 24 Dec 2009 9:54 am

revhappy wrote:If you apply for yourself only and not your fiancee then you will definitely be rejected. They would think you dont want to settle here as a family but want PR for yourself only for convenience. So if you are married, it is best to apply together. Then they would think you want to live here as a family. So whenever you apply do apply together.

One of my colleagues PR got rejected, because he applied for himself and not his wife and son. Obviously they would have thought that he is avoiding his son getting into NS.

Another colleague of mine had applied with his wife and daughter in june 09 and had completed only 10 months at that time in Singapore and was on a P2 pass. His application was sucessfull.
Thanks RevHappy. But you had said that if I apply after 3 months after marriage, then also it would be rejected right? So, when would be the right time for me to apply for me and my fiancee? Or Should I try for an appeal for my rejected PR since my pass has been changed to P2 3 months before..My earlier appeal was not successful as I was on q1 at that time. Thanks

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Post by revhappy » Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:11 am

singaporeflyer wrote:
revhappy wrote:If you apply for yourself only and not your fiancee then you will definitely be rejected. They would think you dont want to settle here as a family but want PR for yourself only for convenience. So if you are married, it is best to apply together. Then they would think you want to live here as a family. So whenever you apply do apply together.

One of my colleagues PR got rejected, because he applied for himself and not his wife and son. Obviously they would have thought that he is avoiding his son getting into NS.

Another colleague of mine had applied with his wife and daughter in june 09 and had completed only 10 months at that time in Singapore and was on a P2 pass. His application was sucessfull.
Thanks RevHappy. But you had said that if I apply after 3 months after marriage, then also it would be rejected right? So, when would be the right time for me to apply for me and my fiancee? Or Should I try for an appeal for my rejected PR since my pass has been changed to P2 3 months before..My earlier appeal was not successful as I was on q1 at that time. Thanks
Thats correct if you apply 3 months after marriage then chances are you will be rejected. This I can say, because a colleague of mine was a PR for a long time, he got married in India and brought his wife here and applied for PR and she was rejected and was told to apply after 6 months.

But in your case you are applying together, but still its only 3 months of marriage.

You see there are lots of reasons for rejection, but everything has to match perfectly for selection.

If you really want you PR very badly then I would say try appealing with the change of pass as a reason. But if you are really serious about staying here for the long run then your best bet would be to complete a year of marriage here then apply together.

Others' suggestions welcome!!!

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Post by singaporeflyer » Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:21 am

revhappy wrote:
singaporeflyer wrote:
revhappy wrote:If you apply for yourself only and not your fiancee then you will definitely be rejected. They would think you dont want to settle here as a family but want PR for yourself only for convenience. So if you are married, it is best to apply together. Then they would think you want to live here as a family. So whenever you apply do apply together.

One of my colleagues PR got rejected, because he applied for himself and not his wife and son. Obviously they would have thought that he is avoiding his son getting into NS.

Another colleague of mine had applied with his wife and daughter in june 09 and had completed only 10 months at that time in Singapore and was on a P2 pass. His application was sucessfull.
Thanks RevHappy. But you had said that if I apply after 3 months after marriage, then also it would be rejected right? So, when would be the right time for me to apply for me and my fiancee? Or Should I try for an appeal for my rejected PR since my pass has been changed to P2 3 months before..My earlier appeal was not successful as I was on q1 at that time. Thanks
Thats correct if you apply 3 months after marriage then chances are you will be rejected. This I can say, because a colleague of mine was a PR for a long time, he got married in India and brought his wife here and applied for PR and she was rejected and was told to apply after 6 months.

But in your case you are applying together, but still its only 3 months of marriage.

You see there are lots of reasons for rejection, but everything has to match perfectly for selection.

If you really want you PR very badly then I would say try appealing with the change of pass as a reason. But if you are really serious about staying here for the long run then your best bet would be to complete a year of marriage here then apply together.

Others' suggestions welcome!!!
I have already appealed and got it rejected once. Can I reappeal again for the same appeal? Anyway I am serious of staying here for atleast close to 10+ years. Should I appeal again with the help of an MP? Thanks

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:43 am

Unless there is substantial changes to your situation then you are wasting your time. If you are serious about getting PR, then wait till you have been married for at least a year and then apply. They obviously want to rule out marriages of convenience. They've seen almost ever type of ruse to get into Singapore and they try to close all the loopholes. As you have no intentions of staying here (by your own admission), why do you want PR? Just to abuse the system?
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Post by singaporeflyer » Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:46 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Unless there is substantial changes to your situation then you are wasting your time. If you are serious about getting PR, then wait till you have been married for at least a year and then apply. They obviously want to rule out marriages of convenience. They've seen almost ever type of ruse to get into Singapore and they try to close all the loopholes. As you have no intentions of staying here (by your own admission), why do you want PR? Just to abuse the system?
respected sms,
i said that i have plans to stay here for a minimum of 10 years and will decide on settling down permanently later on may be after some time. Already I am decided to stay here for 10 years. Thanks

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:32 pm

singaporeflyer,

I read what you are saying now. But that is not was you originally said. Had it been so, I probably would not have made the comment that I made. Have a re-read of what you just said........
singaporeflyer wrote: respected sms,
i said that i have plans to stay here for a minimum of 10 years and will decide on settling down permanently later on may be after some time. Already I am decided to stay here for 10 years. Thanks
Now have a read of what you originally said......
singaporeflyer wrote:Anyway I am serious of staying here for atleast close to 10+ years. Should I appeal again with the help of an MP? Thanks
'Close to' generally indicates not quite there. 'Minimum of' designates longer than the duration stated.

So it's possible when one is not careful with English, to convey the wrong impression very easily, in this case with just two works. :wink:

Note: this often happens with the reading of CV's by HR manager/executives here (which could cause a lot of grief to otherwise qualified candidates). They read what is written, which often is not what was intended when written by the applicant (or understood by the reader). Writing flowery CV's & cover letters often causes them to be filed in the circular file due to either incorrect usage of, or being too verbose with the written word in the hope of impressing somebody with one's knowledge of a version of English that is probably best described as "Shakespearean English" which seems to be taught on the subcontinent.

Anyway, hope you are enjoying the long holiday weekend.
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Post by singaporeflyer » Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:26 am

hi sms,
It was my fault and thanks for your reply.

thanks.

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Post by Cricfan » Wed, 30 Dec 2009 4:34 pm

littlegreenman wrote:This is why I am still not sure what they actually mean with foreign talent. You have a lot of people from the Indian sub-continent who are not really talent and can't even find the ICA phone number without help. They certainly do not enrich the local workforce with those badly needed problem solving skills, do they?
Hi all,

I'm new to this place and seems like this a great place.

Littlegreenman,

I should really kinda thank you for bringing me to this place. You are certainly generalizing things. As you know any country seeks foreign talent which they lack. Obviously IT is where you find most of the Indians. So you should challenge their Problem Solving Skills in their related field. I bet most of them would be glad to take the challenge. After all they are here for their technical skills right ?

And moreover, finding a phone number of something(or similar things) is really not problem solving skill. It's more related to their personality, whether to search on their own or ask someone.

BTW, I have "N" local people at work who don't know how to search for a particular word on a webpage. Ctrl+F .Does asking someone makes them not talented ? Obviously No ! Remember, they can search how to do it on their own, instead of asking someone who is sitting next. Why ask someone? Answer : I Don't Know. May be they are trying to make a conversation, may be they are lazy, may be they think I can answer much faster, May be ..., May be.....

To conclude, answer the dumb questions if you feel doing so. If not say them that you don't answer dumb questions.


Happy Holiday season to all !

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