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Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 29 Jun 2010 6:14 pm

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dragsworthy wrote:So looking back on it, about 3-months to the day.... damn, gotta love that administration.
What u reckon I do now? just sit and chill for 6-months to 1-year?


At the very least, wait for the elections to finish. After that, you'll get a feel if you could reapply or continue to wait for the year (or two) to elapse. And while waiting, establish things that show that you're a stayer and not an abuser.


What would you suggest? I think i have a decent bank account balance and savings in Singapore. I dont really know what else to do. Buy a dog?? :P


I would be incline to look for business opportunity and set up a business. Buying a condo is good but it does not have any returns on the Gahmen coffers. Setting up a business is one way to show you are stayers and keen to contribute toward the SG Economy.Not sure if it would contravene on your work pass but this is my suggestion
Doing community work like orphanage homes, hospice care center are a few options where you will gain recognition for your work done and can be added onto your application. Look up for PAP Youth Group too

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Postby dragsworthy » Tue, 29 Jun 2010 8:59 pm

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dragsworthy wrote:
nakatago wrote:
dragsworthy wrote:So looking back on it, about 3-months to the day.... damn, gotta love that administration.
What u reckon I do now? just sit and chill for 6-months to 1-year?


At the very least, wait for the elections to finish. After that, you'll get a feel if you could reapply or continue to wait for the year (or two) to elapse. And while waiting, establish things that show that you're a stayer and not an abuser.


What would you suggest? I think i have a decent bank account balance and savings in Singapore. I dont really know what else to do. Buy a dog?? :P


I would be incline to look for business opportunity and set up a business. Buying a condo is good but it does not have any returns on the Gahmen coffers. Setting up a business is one way to show you are stayers and keen to contribute toward the SG Economy.Not sure if it would contravene on your work pass but this is my suggestion
Doing community work like orphanage homes, hospice care center are a few options where you will gain recognition for your work done and can be added onto your application. Look up for PAP Youth Group too

Good Luck


I dont know, i think buying a condo provides a decent return since the property market is just totally rigged by the landlords rather than the renters. I'd look to buy and rent out rather than rent and occupy. Plus, the bank I work for are going to provide me 85% LVR for up to 3mio SGD at SOR+0.25% <--- tell me that's not cheap credit.

Buying into a business sounds like a huge thing to do... I wouldn't do that in Australia so I don't see why I should do it here. If thats what it takes to stay here (i.e. doing something I don't want to) then I may look to see how wide Hong Kong's arms will open.

PS whats "Gahmen"? Singaporean dialect always confuses me... I'm good with Mandarin but a lot of the local lingo escapes me.

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Postby ksl » Tue, 29 Jun 2010 9:15 pm

I agree with MS, buying a condo will take a big piece of cake and get you no place at all.

Build a business with employment opportunities and you will be welcomed no doubt.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:46 pm

dragsworthy wrote:
PS whats "Gahmen"? Singaporean dialect always confuses me... I'm good with Mandarin but a lot of the local lingo escapes me.


Actually, it's just a bastardization of the word "government" which is a PITA to type correctly when in a hurry "rnm" plus it's a lot shorter. Used to use sumtin' similar in the US as well "gubmint agents", federalies, gestapo, etc. Course my mom reserves "gestapo" for the "Environmentalists" in the US!

And yeah, buying a condo isn't the way to go. That doesn't help the Singapore economy. A business will, both with taxes and GST and employment of Singaporeans.

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Postby singaporeflyer » Wed, 30 Jun 2010 2:49 pm

What are the various volunteering opportunities/social activities by which we could contribute effectively to the Singaporean society/community?

This would also provide us a way to integrate better with the local community.

Any advise?

Thanks

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Postby singaporeflyer » Wed, 30 Jun 2010 7:04 pm

Thanks SMS

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Let's try this one more time...

Postby zombielolz » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 1:31 pm

Alright, my background:

- Graduated from NUS 2006, started work immediately after
- Been working since in IT, my degree wasn't in IT, though, but I picked up the skills; first job for 1 year, second job for over 3 years (and still going) now
- Applied for PR once in 2008, got rejected after 4 months
- Waited for 1 year, and also got my Employment Pass (Q1) renewed during that time
- Applied again last year
- They took 10 months to get back to me, and now I'm rejected

As of now, I've been in this job for 3 years, been in Singapore for 7 years

I'm a citizen of Bangladesh. Funny thing, a Bangladeshi friend of mine, graduated last year... got his PR; he was my junior by 2 years at NUS. Also funny thing, a Pakistani friend of mine applied just after me, got his rejection in 7 months after the ICA asked after his family's particulars. Strange bunch this ICA.

I don't think I'll appeal. I'll wait it out. I got nothing to add.

Just thought I'd add some data points to this very animated and interesting discussion.

Let the abuse begin!

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Re: Let's try this one more time...

Postby nakatago » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 1:33 pm

zombielolz wrote:Let the abuse begin!



BRAINNNSSS...

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Re: Let's try this one more time...

Postby zombielolz » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 1:36 pm

nakatago wrote:
zombielolz wrote:Let the abuse begin!



BRAINNNSSS...


Hmm, you have a point there. My being a zombie might have factored into their decision. :-( Blatant discrimination against the Undead.

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Re: Let's try this one more time...

Postby singaporeflyer » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 1:42 pm

zombielolz wrote:Alright, my background:

- Graduated from NUS 2006, started work immediately after
- Been working since in IT, my degree wasn't in IT, though, but I picked up the skills; first job for 1 year, second job for over 3 years (and still going) now
- Applied for PR once in 2008, got rejected after 4 months
- Waited for 1 year, and also got my Employment Pass (Q1) renewed during that time
- Applied again last year
- They took 10 months to get back to me, and now I'm rejected

As of now, I've been in this job for 3 years, been in Singapore for 7 years

I'm a citizen of Bangladesh. Funny thing, a Bangladeshi friend of mine, graduated last year... got his PR; he was my junior by 2 years at NUS. Also funny thing, a Pakistani friend of mine applied just after me, got his rejection in 7 months after the ICA asked after his family's particulars. Strange bunch this ICA.

I don't think I'll appeal. I'll wait it out. I got nothing to add.

Just thought I'd add some data points to this very animated and interesting discussion.

Let the abuse begin!


Any rejection reason? Have you done any social contributions to the society?

Also you said you are in SG for past 7 years why applying for PR only during tough times when they are restricting inflow of immigrants?

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Re: Let's try this one more time...

Postby zombielolz » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 2:16 pm

singaporeflyer wrote:Any rejection reason? Have you done any social contributions to the society?

Also you said you are in SG for past 7 years why applying for PR only during tough times when they are restricting inflow of immigrants?


No, they didn't give any reasons. In fact, they don't even ask me to apply again in 2 years. And I quote:

"We have considered your application carefully. We regret to inform you that your application is not successful. Nevertheless, you can continue to work and reside here on your valid Work Pass."

Now that's a little odd. I'm on an Employment Pass. You think they've confused me with someone else? Or does an Employment Pass fall under the category 'Work Pass'?

From one of the previous replies, it sounds like the thinking around here is, if they tell you not to apply again, that means they don't want you, right? That you're not good enough? I make less than 50k a year, so that might be it. Not drawing enough salary?

Re: your second question. That's a good question. Well, back then... I didn't want to stay, so I didn't apply.

Now... I do. It's a funny thing, I guess I only applied for 'Permanent Residence' only when I was truly convinced that I would end up as a 'Permanent Resident.' Back then, I just wanted to finish my government bond (which I have since finished) and leave. So an employment pass made sense. Now... the situation has changed, and I like it here. :-)

This has now become the cause of my downfall. :'-(

I donate to the Singapore Cancer Society. But that hasn't shown up in any of my tax returns yet, I only started in the taxable period of 2010. My other donations are not tax-deductible, unfortunately. Apart from that... no. So community work, etc. helps, eh? I just find it tough... I like to get involved in things I care about, and community work isn't necessarily something I care about; it'd be tough to get into it just for the immigration paperwork too, 'cos I'd drop it like a bad habit soon as I got it. And that wouldn't be fair/genuine/honest/sincere/good.

Your thoughts/comments are welcome, if you have any. :-)

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Re: Let's try this one more time...

Postby singaporeflyer » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 2:27 pm

zombielolz wrote:
singaporeflyer wrote:Any rejection reason? Have you done any social contributions to the society?

Also you said you are in SG for past 7 years why applying for PR only during tough times when they are restricting inflow of immigrants?


No, they didn't give any reasons. In fact, they don't even ask me to apply again in 2 years. And I quote:

"We have considered your application carefully. We regret to inform you that your application is not successful. Nevertheless, you can continue to work and reside here on your valid Work Pass."

Now that's a little odd. I'm on an Employment Pass. You think they've confused me with someone else? Or does an Employment Pass fall under the category 'Work Pass'?

From one of the previous replies, it sounds like the thinking around here is, if they tell you not to apply again, that means they don't want you, right? That you're not good enough? I make less than 50k a year, so that might be it. Not drawing enough salary?

Re: your second question. That's a good question. Well, back then... I didn't want to stay, so I didn't apply.

Now... I do. It's a funny thing, I guess I only applied for 'Permanent Residence' only when I was truly convinced that I would end up as a 'Permanent Resident.' Back then, I just wanted to finish my government bond (which I have since finished) and leave. So an employment pass made sense. Now... the situation has changed, and I like it here. :-)

This has now become the cause of my downfall. :'-(

I donate to the Singapore Cancer Society. But that hasn't shown up in any of my tax returns yet, I only started in the taxable period of 2010. My other donations are not tax-deductible, unfortunately. Apart from that... no. So community work, etc. helps, eh? I just find it tough... I like to get involved in things I care about, and community work isn't necessarily something I care about; it'd be tough to get into it just for the immigration paperwork too, 'cos I'd drop it like a bad habit soon as I got it. And that wouldn't be fair/genuine/honest/sincere/good.

Your thoughts/comments are welcome, if you have any. :-)



Work Pass is the generic name for both Employment pass and also work permit.

yes surely community work will help as you can see in the papers that Singapore encourages people to contribute socially to the society in the form of voluntary work.

But when the time when you felt that Permanent Residence is good, it is actually bad time for past 1 year for PR applications as the government has tightened the criteria and are very choosy in selecting whom they want to become PR's.

Wait for a year, upgrade your skills and do some community contribution and work and reapply and you will surely get it.

Good Luck !

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Re: Let's try this one more time...

Postby zombielolz » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 2:33 pm

singaporeflyer wrote:Work Pass is the generic name for both Employment pass and also work permit.

yes surely community work will help as you can see in the papers that Singapore encourages people to contribute socially to the society in the form of voluntary work.

But when the time when you felt that Permanent Residence is good, it is actually bad time for past 1 year for PR applications as the government has tightened the criteria and are very choosy in selecting whom they want to become PR's.

Wait for a year, upgrade your skills and do some community contribution and work and reapply and you will surely get it.

Good Luck !


Thank you, singaporeflyer! :-)

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 24 Aug 2010 2:46 pm

zombielolz wrote:No, they didn't give any reasons. In fact, they don't even ask me to apply again in 2 years. And I quote:

"We have considered your application carefully. We regret to inform you that your application is not successful. Nevertheless, you can continue to work and reside here on your valid Work Pass."

Now that's a little odd. I'm on an Employment Pass. You think they've confused me with someone else? Or does an Employment Pass fall under the category 'Work Pass'?

First of all 'Work Pass' is an all encompassing term which takes in all the various types of visas from 'Work Permits' to 'EPs'.

Secondly, and please don't shoot the messenger, it would appear that they do not consider you a suitable candidate for PR here. The reason could be most anything from your background, your grades at NUS, or the size of your family at home. They have to take that into consideration as they represent potential immigrants under your umbrella and also potential wards of the state because of your PR.


From one of the previous replies, it sounds like the thinking around here is, if they tell you not to apply again, that means they don't want you, right? That you're not good enough? I make less than 50k a year, so that might be it. Not drawing enough salary?

Always a possibility but I don't think that would be the case.

Re: your second question. That's a good question. Well, back then... I didn't want to stay, so I didn't apply.

Now... I do. It's a funny thing, I guess I only applied for 'Permanent Residence' only when I was truly convinced that I would end up as a 'Permanent Resident.' Back then, I just wanted to finish my government bond (which I have since finished) and leave. So an employment pass made sense. Now... the situation has changed, and I like it here. :-)

This has now become the cause of my downfall. :'-(

Unfortunately, in this changing world, opportunity doesn't always present itself for long periods of time. The window was there, you didn't take it for whatever reason. The window closed and life has to go on. As the Government letter said, you are welcome to stay here on an EP. I would wait the 2 years and then reapply. By doing so, instead of rushing off to Australia or Timbukto, you are showing the government here that your aren't a quitter and they may then look at your application more favourably. Or, they may well reject you again. But even if they did, you are still that much further ahead of the game as your earning power here is considerably more that at home.

I donate to the Singapore Cancer Society. But that hasn't shown up in any of my tax returns yet, I only started in the taxable period of 2010. My other donations are not tax-deductible, unfortunately. Apart from that... no. So community work, etc. helps, eh? I just find it tough... I like to get involved in things I care about, and community work isn't necessarily something I care about; it'd be tough to get into it just for the immigration paperwork too, 'cos I'd drop it like a bad habit soon as I got it. And that wouldn't be fair/genuine/honest/sincere/good.

This getting involved in community work isn't the same as giving cash to charity. And no, don't bother to do it if it's not you. You'll just make yourself miserable and you won't be giving your best the the organization either. Although, if you did that, you would be showing everybody (citizens) that your are assimilating well - they perform charity usually only to get their kids in a better school or the kids do it for ECA points while in school. :?

Your thoughts/comments are welcome, if you have any. :-)


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