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Postby addspice » Sun, 16 Aug 2009 6:25 pm

How to get singapore employment pass?

Could anyone name a couple of companies who provide Employment pass?

Companies that are hiring NOw????


Expecting an honest answer.[/b]

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Postby littlegreenman » Sun, 16 Aug 2009 7:49 pm

Any company can apply for an Employment Pass for you if they are willing to employ you at a salary higher than $2,500 a month. Whether it will be approved by MOM is a different issue.

If you want to know which companies are hiring you might want to go through job ads and contact job agencies as a. you didn't even name a sector you are interested in and b. you can really expect us to do the work for you.

FYI though, the government is currently hiring prison wardens but I assume you will have to be citizen or PR for that.

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Postby jimmy12 » Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:14 am

Yes any company willing to pay $2,500 /per month can apply for you an e-pass as it is not subject to quota ceiling like s-pass or work pass. Sad to say this thing is only true for big MNCs because most small local companies is working it out in a different way and mostly in connivance with the employment agencies. Facts of life in singapore especially for some foreign workers who dont want to go home empty handed and will hold on to the knife until a better opportunity lights up. I dont want to make further elaboration but you may want to have coffee at Mustafa and talk with some foreign workers there. Im one of them.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 01 Sep 2009 7:03 am

jimmy12 wrote:Yes any company willing to pay $2,500 /per month can apply for you an e-pass as it is not subject to quota ceiling like s-pass or work pass. Sad to say this thing is only true for big MNCs because most small local companies is working it out in a different way and mostly in connivance with the employment agencies. Facts of life in singapore especially for some foreign workers who dont want to go home empty handed and will hold on to the knife until a better opportunity lights up. I dont want to make further elaboration but you may want to have coffee at Mustafa and talk with some foreign workers there. Im one of them.


Jimmy12,

Unfortunately, the employers are able to do that because of the foreigner worker like yourself that sign the contracts and make the illegal agreements behind MOM's back usually with an Agent in your home country who is working with the local agent here. If you people didn't agree to the ruse then it couldn't/wouldn't happen. You bring it upon yourselves. Employers here, unless they are a charity, are in the business of making a dollar, if it means treating workers like crap, and they can get away with it, they will.

If you are being treated unfairly, go to MOM. If you are afraid to go to MOM because you are a party to the ruse, then don't complain about it.

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Postby Ms Rubble » Thu, 03 Sep 2009 1:21 am

Whoa! That's rather a harsh generalisation. In addition to the basic supply and demand of cheap labour matrix, there are loads of foreign workers who have got employment via the EPEC or resume submission to jobstreet/jobs DB - not via agents. After starting work they find out that they have to 'pay back' the difference in salary at the end of the month ( between what their their employer declared to MOM for the S/Epass and actual salary). Then they are in a bind, because if they leave the job too soon, they get black listed with MOM when the employer cancels the pass (citing reasons such as 'unsuitable', 'unskilled'). Sure, some may accept unfavourable employment conditions as a 'foot in the door' to have legal status to search for a better job - but they wouldnt have to go through this step if there was no opportunity for exploitation at the first go. Its not so simple as to say 'willing buyer, willing seller'. At the end of the day, everyone is searching for the best deal in terms of add-value (employer) and appropriate remuneration for one's worth (employee).

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 03 Sep 2009 7:02 am

Ms. Rubble,

You need to change your nick to Ms. Rubbish. If you get a job using an EPEC, LPR, or any of the normal means like S & EP or even WP's you will have already been told by the employer or agent prior to signing the contract if the employer is cheating and pulling a ruse. If you sign the contract knowing that or even if you sign the contract AND find out about it after starting but before your first paycheck, and you don't go directly to MOM, then you become a willing party to the ruse. Your explanations are BS.

As soon as this happens, you should go directly to MOM immediately. If you don't you have nobody to blame but yourselves. And NO, MOM will not blackball you as they know that this crap is going on and is catching more and more errant employers each month. Or, don't you read the newspapers?

So, my information is not harsh but an honest appraisal of the current happenings. It takes two to tango as the old saying goes. If the employee is accepting of the ruse, then they cannot blame anybody else as they are not chained to the employer and can resign at any time if they want to. To say that the employee has no recourse is CRAP pure and simple. If they are being used by an unscrupulous employer, the MOM wants to know about it. And you don't get blacklisted for being "unsuitable" or "unskilled". Don't know where you are getting your mis-information from? :roll:

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Postby littlegreenman » Thu, 03 Sep 2009 1:37 pm

As SMS said it does take two to tango and if you have signed a contract for a specific salary and you find your employer under-paying you (it was not agreed beforehand) then you have to report it to MOM immediately because otherwise you are breaking the rules and regulations. If you previously agree to this kind of illegal activities then you should be kicked out of the country straight away because all you do is push down wages for the locals and you should be ashamed of yourself. In that case it serves you right to be blacklisted.

The point that one might want a foot in the door is just plain selfish. You would be pissed off for sure if somebody did this in your country as well and as a result your mum would end up being paid less or unemployed. If you do want to get a foot in the door then you should just apply for an EPEC or a PEP and then find a job. If you don't qualify for this then it is time to accept this for the moment and to work towards qualifying in the future. Not everything has to happen overnight and if you look at me I left Singapore for two years in order to have the right means to have a good life in Singapore when I come back and in order to get my PR.

If you can't get into a country complying with the immigration rules and regulations then don't force yourself in. Otherwise you only damage that country and are not welcome. Don't get me wrong, I am pro immigration, but not if people disrespect the rules and regulations.

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Postby jpatokal » Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:07 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:As soon as this happens, you should go directly to MOM immediately. If you don't you have nobody to blame but yourselves. And NO, MOM will not blackball you as they know that this crap is going on and is catching more and more errant employers each month.

The MOM may not blackball you, but your employer most definitely will if they find out it's you who snitched on them. If they fire you for whatever reason (which is very easy to do in Singapore), your EP will be terminated and MOM will not find another job for you, since this country has no protection whatsoever for whistleblowers.

The way I see it, there's three things you can do, and they're all bad:

1) Suck it up: accept the pay cut, become an accomplice and hope the company is not busted, keep working, look for a better job on the side.
2) Blow the whistle to the MOM. See above.
3) Confront your boss, state that what they're doing is illegal and demand your full salary or you'll report them to MOM. If they blink and your boss is not vindictive, you might get away with it, but if he's like most Singaporean bosses, he'll set out to make your life hell and fire you at the first opportunity. If they call your bluff, you're either back to square 1 and worse off for trying, or if you do report them to the MOM, the company will know with 100% probability that it was you.

So, yes, option 1 is selfish -- but I suspect it's also the rational choice for most people, and that's why companies can get away with this.
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Postby Ms Rubble » Sat, 05 Sep 2009 9:53 pm

Thanks for your response, allow me to clarify/rebutt before I go and visit the Deed Poll office:

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Ms. Rubble,

You need to change your nick to Ms. Rubbish. If you get a job using an EPEC, LPR, or any of the normal means like S & EP or even WP's you will have already been told by the employer or agent prior to signing the contract if the employer is cheating and pulling a ruse. If you sign the contract knowing that or even if you sign the contract AND find out about it after starting but before your first paycheck, and you don't go directly to MOM, then you become a willing party to the ruse. Your explanations are BS.:roll:


Do you honestly think that an errant employer will have you sign a contract that states a salary less than the legal salary band???? The employee can take this straight to MOM! If the employer is paying by cheque/cash, do you really think the payment voucher will be for the proper amount? No.

Sure, there are some employees who willingly become party to the ruse, and sign a contract that misrepresents their true salary - but as mentioned, they will do this as a foot in the door because their expectations of being paid a proper (and legal) salary have been thwarted. Thus, they look for another employer who abides by the legal guidelines.



sundaymorningstaple wrote:As soon as this happens, you should go directly to MOM immediately. If you don't you have nobody to blame but yourselves. And NO, MOM will not blackball you as they know that this crap is going on and is catching more and more errant employers each month. Or, don't you read the newspapers?:roll:


Do I read the papers? Only when I'm in the mood for some light fiction.

No one really has the luxury to be a whistleblowing martyr after they've forked out for airfare, accomodation and quit their job at home with a family to feed. And, is it really selfish? If a local signs on for a job less than he is worth, but does so with the hope of bettering his opportunities - thats ok, right? Lots of these hearty self-development and virtues of humility stories in the paper... But if a foreigner has the same intentions, he is selfish, a leech on a nations resources, bleeding the natives of their right to the same job.

sundaymorningstaple wrote:So, my information is not harsh but an honest appraisal of the current happenings. It takes two to tango as the old saying goes. If the employee is accepting of the ruse, then they cannot blame anybody else as they are not chained to the employer and can resign at any time if they want to.:roll:


As above, if you've coughed up significant cash outlay to move overseas to work...you are chained to the employer until you find a new job. Once the pass is cancelled, you've only got 1 month on a visit pass to find a new job.

sundaymorningstaple wrote:To say that the employee has no recourse is CRAP pure and simple. If they are being used by an unscrupulous employer, the MOM wants to know about it. And you don't get blacklisted for being "unsuitable" or "unskilled". Don't know where you are getting your mis-information from?:roll:


Point taken. Hence, I would like to retract my intimation that MOM might 'blackball' applicants for repeated job hopping and poor performance. Indeed, MOM certainly does not have an official policy for penalising foreign employees for such reasons, despite collecting data to this effect during cancellation of passes.

By no recourse, I meant that if the applicant tries to apply for another job and is rejected, it is often very hard to find out the reason for the rejection. However, I was wrong to imply that there is a correlation an employer's negative feedback about an employee, and the employee's future success in obtaining a work pass.

Hope that I have succeeded in toning down any embellishment to this effect in my earlier post.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 05 Sep 2009 11:46 pm

Ms Rubble wrote:Thanks for your response, allow me to clarify/rebutt before I go and visit the Deed Poll office:

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Ms. Rubble,

You need to change your nick to Ms. Rubbish. If you get a job using an EPEC, LPR, or any of the normal means like S & EP or even WP's you will have already been told by the employer or agent prior to signing the contract if the employer is cheating and pulling a ruse. If you sign the contract knowing that or even if you sign the contract AND find out about it after starting but before your first paycheck, and you don't go directly to MOM, then you become a willing party to the ruse. Your explanations are BS.:roll:


Do you honestly think that an errant employer will have you sign a contract that states a salary less than the legal salary band???? The employee can take this straight to MOM! If the employer is paying by cheque/cash, do you really think the payment voucher will be for the proper amount? No.

Sure, there are some employees who willingly become party to the ruse, and sign a contract that misrepresents their true salary - but as mentioned, they will do this as a foot in the door because their expectations of being paid a proper (and legal) salary have been thwarted. Thus, they look for another employer who abides by the legal guidelines.


I specifically added agent as well to my post as I agree, most employer/employee would obviously NOT have contract here stating these things. HOWEVER, in most cases, there are two agents involved in the process of bringing a WP or S pass holder to Singapore. One is an agent in their home country (who usually works hand in hand with the Singapore agent. The employee has a contract with them and with the understanding of how much they will "actually" be getting BEFORE they even get on the plane to Singapore. So, most are a willing participant and really don't have a leg to stand on. The reason employer get caught is because they think that they can further screw the employee once he gets here and often don't pay them on time or even for 3 or 4 months at a time claiming cash flow problems. It's these types of employers who end up getting caught. But if more workers would blow the whistle it would be better for all.


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