Not if he wants to keep his Singapore Citizenship and wants to keep it legal without being thrown in jail or having to pay a fine.seesee wrote:There are many ways you can escape National Service as long you are not born here.
Just ask around.
Not if he doesn't want to be classed as a deserter and will never be able to come to Singapore again. Could, in fact, when the new computer system is up and running, catch you even in transiting Singapore without even coming through immigration. So evade if you want. It's your life without bridges. listen to idiots like seesee if you don't really care.seesee wrote:There are many ways you can escape National Service as long you are not born here.
Just ask around.
(i know this is a slightly old thread... but in case he comes back...)derp wrote:...i have plans to continue my studies in the US and thinking of living there permanently since i have contacts there...
My mother said that my family doesnt have any 'family accounts' in the PRC, my grandparents are PRCs but PRs in Singapore, but probably doesnt apply since they are my grandparents, not parents.
Highly doubtful. I don't think there is any legal way you can avoid it. To be honest with you and can understand that you are not keen on serving NS in a country you have never lived in or many personal ties with but as mentioned, there seems to be pretty much no way around it given that you or your parents never declared your intension to renounce your citizenship once 21 and if you would you would be stateless, which would be even worse. Further two years is not that long and NS is not as bad as people make it sound. You will make friendships that last for a lifetime.derp wrote:Thanks for the replies guys.
Well, i only have a Singaporean passport, and a pink IC. Its fine if dual citizenship is not possible. I'm just not willing to let the government take 2 precious years away from me when i have plans.
but nvm that for now, just need to know if its possible for me to drop my citizenship at this point, before they call me up for medical check up, and school will end next may.
peace
Not taking at oath at 21 does not mean you are no longer liable for NS. You can be a non-citizen and still be liable for NS. The practice used to be that for someone like you when you show up for your medical checkup is for them to make you sign a statement acknowledging that you need to complete your NS even if you lose your Singapore citizenship. This was a while back, so things may have changed since. Also I don't know what the consequences are if you refused to sign that statement. You can't renounce your Singapore citizenship until you turn 21, and Singapore will not accept the renunciation of citizenship for anyone who has not completed NS.derp wrote:i just checked out the local immigration website.
http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=134&secid=130
Minors who are Singapore Citizens by descent/registration must take the Oath of Renunciation, Allegiance and Loyalty within 12 months on attaining the age of 21 years to remain as Singapore Citizens.
If the Oath is not taken, he/she will automatically lose his/her citizenship on attaining the age of 22 years.
Failure to take the Oath and the consequences
If one fails to take the Oath within 12 months on attaining the age of 21 years, he/she will automatically lose his/her citizenship on attaining the age of 22 years and there is no assurance that he/she can continue studying, working or residing in Singapore as a foreigner on any form of student pass, work pass, social visit pass or as a permanent resident.
Eligibility
Minors who are Singapore Citizens by descent or registration must take the Oath of Renunciation, Allegiance and Loyalty upon attaining 21 years of age and before attaining 22 years of age.
And according to the chinese laws (from wikipedia, not very reliable i know)
because i was born there, i can still renounce to be a chinese again even if im stateless, and i have near relatives who are holding the chinese passport.
judging from his posts, this chinese born kid is young and possibly impressionable.john_nyc_71 wrote:...If you want to do it illegally, there are plenty of ways... You don't even need another citizenship if you are happy not to travel between the time your Singapore passport expires and you acquire citizenship of a new country.
This does assume that you can maintain legal status (student/work visa or PR) in the new country or else you might break the new country's immigration laws, which will cause you to be deported back to Singapore, where you will be arrested.
personally, i don't believe you thoroughly understand the consequence of becoming a stateless person. i won't go into detail.derp wrote:...And according to the chinese laws (from wikipedia, not very reliable i know) because i was born there, i can still renounce to be a chinese again even if im stateless, and i have near relatives who are holding the chinese passport.
i am doing it right now. i just wanna know if i have any chance to get out, properly.taxico wrote:personally, i don't believe you thoroughly understand the consequence of becoming a stateless person. i won't go into detail.derp wrote:...And according to the chinese laws (from wikipedia, not very reliable i know) because i was born there, i can still renounce to be a chinese again even if im stateless, and i have near relatives who are holding the chinese passport.
i think your best way forward would be to commence the process for obtaining a chinese passport.
while chinese laws may say you can do this and that, the reality might be more complicated and drawn out than you think.
or perhaps it might be more $imple than i think (i don't know and you probably don't know too until you start).
either way, until you've obtained another set of papers, you are cornered by the NS monster.
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