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Working on Long Term visitors Pass

Postby ksl » Thu, 06 Aug 2009 9:37 pm

From 12th of January 2009

Can now apply for work under the following rules

http://www.mom.gov.sg/publish/momportal ... LTSVP.html

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Postby Strong Eagle » Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:00 pm

So... what's new? All it says is that if you want to work you need a work pass... and EP or an S pass... or a WP under certain conditions. Same way it has been for a long time. No pass, no work. Same criteria as every one else.

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Postby ksl » Fri, 07 Aug 2009 1:14 am

Strong Eagle wrote:So... what's new? All it says is that if you want to work you need a work pass... and EP or an S pass... or a WP under certain conditions. Same way it has been for a long time.
No pass, no work. Same criteria as every one else.


I'm still looking for the difference, there is one I'm sure, otherwise it wouldn't have been updated in January 2009. I think it had to do, with the fact LTVP was not identical to the DP on working opportunities. If I'm not wrong the DP allowed the spouse to work occasionally in the company without any pass at all, providing it wasn't paid work and that it wasn't full time.

LTVP as never been the same, they had to apply for WP or EP one would have to discuss with MOM about the spouse working free, non paid within the business, they do allow occasional helping..but draw a line on hours working within a week.

I think it maybe a case by case scenario if your business is capable of expanding and providing employment, that concessions maybe granted, the government is most definitely not against growth and development for Singapore, and are therefore open to suggestions to change political bureaucracies, to speed up business development.

I actually did visit the road show at Raffles place a couple of months ago, to vent a few frustrations about some of the technical hindrances in place, that are stagnating growth in innovation.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 07 Aug 2009 7:02 am

Just to help you guys along, and to help ksl stop tilting at windmills, the changes to the LTSVP & Working relationship were only in one area. That is the area concerning "Study Mamas". The rules were changes to give "Study Mamas" the ability to work "legally" after they have been here a year. They still are forbidden to work in certain industries (I believe massage parlours are one) and it might help keep them out of geylang in the afternoons looking for short timers. Otherwise, the rest of the LTSVP rules are still the name for normal folks.

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Postby ksl » Sat, 08 Aug 2009 1:04 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Just to help you guys along, and to help ksl stop tilting at windmills, the changes to the LTSVP & Working relationship were only in one area. That is the area concerning "Study Mamas". The rules were changes to give "Study Mamas" the ability to work "legally" after they have been here a year. They still are forbidden to work in certain industries (I believe massage parlours are one) and it might help keep them out of geylang in the afternoons looking for short timers. Otherwise, the rest of the LTSVP rules are still the name for normal folks.
Nope I disagree, because before when i was on DP, they allowed me to work direct for my spouse providing i wasn't paid, but on LTVP that wasn't the case, so therefore I couldn't help out for an hour or two, even though i was directly related. Now it is possible, so the LTVP is now identical to the DP

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Postby Strong Eagle » Sat, 08 Aug 2009 9:03 am

ksl wrote:Now it is possible, so the LTVP is now identical to the DP


This is absolutely not the case! You cannot work on an LTVP. You can work on a DP. You must still apply for an EP, S-pass, or work permit if you intend to work in Singapore if you are here on an LTVP.

Please re-read what you posted from MOM and stop posting confusing and incorrect information. You are going to have a lot of people on LTVP thinking they can simply go out and get a job and that is not the case at all.

There is quite a difference in terms on employment between a DP and an LTVP.
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 08 Aug 2009 2:10 pm

SE, please correct your quotes so it doesn't appear that I'm the one giving out misleading information.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Sun, 09 Aug 2009 5:22 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:SE, please correct your quotes so it doesn't appear that I'm the one giving out misleading information.

Thanks

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Apologies. Broken keyboard, apparently.

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LTVP pass - work eligibility

Postby Joeyfishcat » Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:42 pm

Hello folks!
Just caught on to this thread and seeking some advice...
I'm from the UK and working on a P2 pass and my boyfriend is here on LTVP. He's claiming it's impossible for him to get work on this pass and that if he had a DP it would be easier. Is this true? :?
He says any company that has been interested in employing him has been put-off by the conditions needed to convert an LTVP to an EP.
I had a look on the MOM website and the information is not very clear. Does it cost the employer to convert a future employee from LTVP to EP? If so, does the cost depend on the line of work?
Unfortunately, my other half doesn't have any qualifications (other than 3 GCSE 'O' Levels), so I'm guessing this may also hinder his chances.
Any help with the above would be great...
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Re: LTVP pass - work eligibility

Postby Strong Eagle » Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:54 pm

Joeyfishcat wrote:Hello folks!
Just caught on to this thread and seeking some advice...
I'm from the UK and working on a P2 pass and my boyfriend is here on LTVP. He's claiming it's impossible for him to get work on this pass and that if he had a DP it would be easier. Is this true? :?


Yes. You cannot work on a LTVP (except under very specialized circumstances that don't apply to you). A DP can work, although most employers are quite ignorant of this fact.

He says any company that has been interested in employing him has been put-off by the conditions needed to convert an LTVP to an EP.
I had a look on the MOM website and the information is not very clear. Does it cost the employer to convert a future employee from LTVP to EP? If so, does the cost depend on the line of work?


There is no conversion process. Regardless of status now, a company applies for an EP for a candidate. It is cheap and relatively hassle free... (unless you don't qualify for an EP). Costs for an EP are the same, no matter the line of work... cheap. But knowing your BF's educational levels, and without knowing if he brings special skill sets, he won't get an EP of any kind.

Unfortunately, my other half doesn't have any qualifications (other than 3 GCSE 'O' Levels), so I'm guessing this may also hinder his chances.
Any help with the above would be great...


Won't hinder his chances to get a DP IF the two of you are married... otherwise he can't get a DP... you have to prove up at least a common law marriage. If you can't get a DP it is highly unlikely he could get an EP or even an S pass.

Key point: You can't convert the LTSVP to a DP unless you two are not 'living in sin'.

Key point 2: Education increases your chances for an EP.

Key point 3: Making upwards of S$7,000 per month really makes MOM happy... EP almost a shoe in.

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Postby SmartDude » Sat, 14 Nov 2009 7:00 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:
ksl wrote:Now it is possible, so the LTVP is now identical to the DP


This is absolutely not the case! You cannot work on an LTVP. You can work on a DP. You must still apply for an EP, S-pass, or work permit if you intend to work in Singapore if you are here on an LTVP.

Please re-read what you posted from MOM and stop posting confusing and incorrect information. You are going to have a lot of people on LTVP thinking they can simply go out and get a job and that is not the case at all.

There is quite a difference in terms on employment between a DP and an LTVP.


yah, true you can't work on LTVP. My wife had the same case, but now she has work permit+LTVP also.. which i m confused as how come both passes are allowed to her. When asked to MOM officer, the officer say don't need to cancel LTVP. dont' worry...

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 14 Nov 2009 7:28 pm

That's correct as the WP supersedes the LTSVP. The LTSVP will expire within 90 days anyway, making it redundant.However, once the WP expires, you will need to apply for a new LTSVP as the old one will have expired by that time.

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Re: LTVP pass - work eligibility

Postby adione » Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:42 pm

Joeyfishcat wrote:Hello folks!
I'm from the UK and working on a P2 pass and my boyfriend is here on LTVP. He's claiming it's impossible for him to get work on this pass and that if he had a DP it would be easier. Is this true? :?


my GF was on LTVP depending on my EP and she managed to get a job anyway; I think it's more related to skills and qualifications rather than the kind of pass...
for high positions there's less competition, that's simple;
I also remember that SG gov. is granting discounts on taxes to company hiring local people (thus helping locals recovering from depression)
so if they can choose, they'd prefer locals 'cos they cost them less and they have "less risk" they will go back to their home-countries sooner...

that's my personal opinion anyway.

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Re: LTVP pass - work eligibility

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 28 Dec 2009 2:23 pm

adione wrote:
Joeyfishcat wrote:Hello folks!
I'm from the UK and working on a P2 pass and my boyfriend is here on LTVP. He's claiming it's impossible for him to get work on this pass and that if he had a DP it would be easier. Is this true? :?


my GF was on LTVP depending on my EP and she managed to get a job anyway; I think it's more related to skills and qualifications rather than the kind of pass...
for high positions there's less competition, that's simple;
I also remember that SG gov. is granting discounts on taxes to company hiring local people (thus helping locals recovering from depression)
so if they can choose, they'd prefer locals 'cos they cost them less and they have "less risk" they will go back to their home-countries sooner...

that's my personal opinion anyway.


Please post facts and not opinions. You are giving out incorrect information which will surely confuse people. Your GF got a job based on her own skills and qualifications. She is not working on an LTVP. As she is not on a Dependent's Pass, she had to get the job on her own merits. Also, if one is qualified, and in a demand position where there is not enough or sufficiently trained locals, it's easy to get an EP. I just brought in 5 last week. Also, they are NOT offering tax discounts. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from but you really need to do some research as you are definitely confused. They were giving a rebate of the employer's CPF contributions (not the same a taxes at all) and this is stopping. (I just got our 4th qtr cheques this past week). Also, this was not to help the locals recover from the depression but to help the employers to stay in business. Not too much to do with the local employees be they Citizen or PR.

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Re: LTVP pass - work eligibility

Postby adione » Mon, 28 Dec 2009 4:07 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Please post facts and not opinions. You are giving out incorrect information which will surely confuse people. Your GF got a job based on her own skills and qualifications. She is not working on an LTVP. As she is not on a Dependent's Pass, she had to get the job on her own merits.


that's correct, she used to have the LTVP just to stay in SG - can't work with that pass.
She looked for a job and when she got it, she obtained her own EP.
Definitely based on her skills.

I thought I was clear, didn't mean to confuse people.


sundaymorningstaple wrote:Also, they are NOT offering tax discounts. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from but you really need to do some research as you are definitely confused. They were giving a rebate of the employer's CPF contributions (not the same a taxes at all) and this is stopping. (I just got our 4th qtr cheques this past week). Also, this was not to help the locals recover from the depression but to help the employers to stay in business.


yep, u r right - my memory tricked me
btw here is a reference: http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/business/ ... 285,00.htm

they are helping the employers not the employee
btw for a foreigner like me, that means SG gov. is helping local people
since they're somewhat favourited
(and I can understand that!)

sundaymorningstaple wrote: Not too much to do with the local employees be they Citizen or PR.


well, the 80% course fee refund they're offering only to citizens and PR
is another way to help them getting better jobs and more opportunities,
isn't it?


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