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Obama-lution

Postby huggybear » Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:44 am

i noticed a few people bashing obama and the growing federal deficit and highlighting the falling approval rating.

so ...... i guess the only other choice would have been mccain / palin.

what do you think mccain palin would have done differently. what are your ideas to rectify this "economic mess" and assuming a mccain palin ticket what do you think their approval rating would be at this time.

i'll go first.
since America is actually a socialist country (no one is allowed to lose, everyone gets a trophy for something) ...

i think McCain Palin would have an approval rating of 30% because Palin has been exposed for what she is and McCain is actually too old and too removed from reality to understand how today's modern world actually works (note he did vote against MLK day as a holiday and note he lost the election because he had no credible solution for the economic collapse for which he suspended his campaigning to focus on). I think McCain would have probably put in some neo con idiots such as wolfowitz and rummy back in power and we would have jointly struck iran with Israel which would have overextended our military and resources causing the descent of the american empire to quicken its pace (one thing's for damn sure if america loses its hegemony, no way in hell australia fills the void so back in your place aussies!).

in short, while i'm unhappy with obama's expansion of the federal deficit (which really began under reagan) i think we're far better off then having a mccain palin ticket.

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Re: Obama-lution

Postby ScoobyDoes » Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:29 pm

huggybear wrote:i
in short, while i'm unhappy with obama's expansion of the federal deficit (which really began under reagan) i think we're far better off then having a mccain palin ticket.



That, and possibly if he didn't the country would go back many more years than just the Reagan administration. Options are kinda limited at this moment.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 31 Jul 2009 1:05 pm

Nah, nobody is bashing him per se. He's trying but unfortunately, over half of the population doesn't approve what he is doing (or at least the way he's doing it). We are stuck with him and his rubber stamp democrats at least until the mid-terms elections. Maybe (hopefully) then he'll realize that he cannot rebuild American by taking everything from the middle class and giving it too the poor. He's definitely a socialist and it's unfortunate that he has the support of most of the Democrats. Unfortunately, the house and senate are full of geriatric crooks on both sides of the aisle who don't have a clue about how the average middle class American lives or dies. He is experimenting with our kids and they cannot even vote. When it all turns sour? Will there be a way back? Or, will it be the end of America as we used to know her? Does the rest of the world like him? Hell yes! He's single handedly bringing the country to it's knees.

I've got a farm there that I cannot farm anymore because of "runoff" thanks to the gestapo (EPA). Now, I can't fish anymore off the end of my dock as there are no fish as the runoff (nitrogen) use to cause the seagrasses to florish. Now the grasses are gone and the flats are barren and the fish have left as have the crabs.

Is Obama gonna make the country better? Would McCain/Palin made it better. No. I really don't know, but I doubt it seriously. I don't dislike Obama, in fact, I wish that he could make it work but not by mortgaging the next 3 generations on something that so far isn't working at all (you need to talk to the people - not the media). The problem is that everything you read is controlled by the media who are openly Dem biased. (Other than Fox - but sometimes they are a joke cause they represent the same crap from 180 degrees) Nobody puts out the news anymore. Only their political belief bent to the political party of their choice.

What hurts the country more? A sitting president with a consistent 30% approval rating or a president who started with a very high rating and then let power corrupt him absolutely until now he is starting to resemble another Hugo Chavez and doing as he damn pleases whenever and however he feels like with no checks & balances and has his approval rating start sliding to the cellar (didn''t we have enough of that for the last 8 years?)

I don't have the answers, but I damn sure don't like the way our country is going. I knew it was going to happen during the primaries. I felt it in my bones. It was almost like I was reliving the JFK elections in 1960 again. He won on charisma alone. And the young and naive bought into it just like they did when JFK was elected (and other than the Cuban Missile crises, JFK didn't do anything either except start to escalate the VN mess - Lyndon just added multipliers to the numbers!)

For the record though, I do not actually dislike Obama. I just wish there were a bit of checks & balances before his great experiment reduces the US to a country ripe for internal ruptures that could demolish the country much as the USSR did a number of years ago. Could it happen? Conceivably.

Anybody want to guess when the next handout will be? I'm betting on a month or two before the mid-term elections. Play it just like the PAP does here when they want to shove something unpleasant down your throat. Sweeten it up just before they tell you to bend over.

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Postby ScoobyDoes » Fri, 31 Jul 2009 1:32 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Anybody want to guess when the next handout will be? I'm betting on a month or two before the mid-term elections. Play it just like the PAP does here when they want to shove something unpleasant down your throat. Sweeten it up just before they tell you to bend over.



That's the same everywhere....... schedule the General Election a couple of months after the budget at which time they take 2p off Income Tax, give 50-quid more to the pensioners and keep tax on beer and petrol unchanged.

For one year in four/five it goes great but not enough to wipe out the previous one year, let alone two or more.

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Postby huggybear » Fri, 31 Jul 2009 1:44 pm

I'm not a fan of the higher taxes and the tax on the wealthy to support the health care reforms as well. However the rubber stamp republicans had 8 years to make the tax cuts pemanent and never did. ipso facto you knew no matter who was in charge, taxes would be raised.

with regards to taxing our next generation .... i still think it's worse to kill them off by fabricating reasons to start a war or have them returned either mentally incapacitated or physically disabled then to "potentially" bankrupt them. hey...kids are resilient right?

i agree with you on the kennedys. JFK was horrendous and his brother Bobby was equally as problematic. RE the cuban missile crisis, that's just really a failure to look at the enemy in an unbiased manner and try to look at a problem through a different prism, through your enemies eyes. If you're parking nuclear missiles in turkey aimed at the USSR, how the f**k you think the soviets are going to respond? it's a problem that was repeated again during the bush administration (is it really a surprise that most of the idiots who were the archictects for the Iraq war were the same idiots trying to run the vietnam war --- i.e. donald rumsfeld).

The USSR collapsed due to economic troubles ... i think the same will happen to us but it will be a drawn out process since the USD is the reserve currency of the world.

As for the media ... I don't think they are biased except for Fox news who is clearly far right wing. I think most of them are fairly neutral in reporting the news. I think the problem lies with idiot bloggers like Perez Hilton who are clearly offering biased views or Ariana Huffington and that blonde bimbo the right wing nut case.

to me that's the beauty of borat ... "do you support the troops?"
"Yes i support them, god bless america"

"do you want to see the streets of baghdad flow red with blood of iraqi people?"

"uh no...."

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Postby Nath21 » Fri, 31 Jul 2009 2:39 pm

On Obama I suggest this fits best:

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
— George Orwell

He aint special just his messages were simple and his acts to save the economy are now showing to be the same as every other country. He lost his chance for reform.

On the USA does this ring a bell:

We meet in the midst of a nation brought to the verge of moral, political and material ruin. Corruption dominates the ballot box, the legislatures, the Congress, and touches even the ermine of the bench. The people are demoralized. … The newspapers are subsidized or muzzled; public opinion silenced; business prostrate, our homes covered with mortgages, labor impoverished, and the land concentrating in the hands of capitalists.
The urban workmen are denied the right of organization for self-protection; imported pauperized labor beats down their wages; a hireling standing army … established to shoot them down. … The fruits of the toil of millions are boldly stolen to build up colossal fortunes. … From the same prolific womb of governmental injustice we breed two classes—paupers and millionaires.

— Ignatius Donnelly, speech at the People’s party national convention in 1892

It will take one large country to cut their losses and run from USD reserves and the stampede will follow. Your only hope is its an orderly retreat. On the plus I think it was the first month since Trueman was in office that Amercian saved more than they accrued in debt. Thats a big step. I think the estimate was another 125 years of that and you will be back to normal. Need to get rid of the 99c credit card culture, tax the wealthy, stop paying subsidies to farmers (last year it was greater than Australia's GDP), bring back your manufacturing base from China by targeting US companies that manufacture overseas and exploit foreign cheap labour, refuse to trade with China unless they float their currency, let shareholders have binding votes in large companies on salaries above a certain thresehold (as an example say $3m per year). Put a limit individual credit risk able to be accepted, stop structered equity products on homes, encourage a new currency reserve which is supported by a basket of currencies but includes a minimum amount of US assets, sell all gold assest for convertible notes to get the assets working. Gold is a not a valauble commodity its a currency based on predominantly fashion. Stop enagging in wars yourself and start encouraging other nations to do so so you can sell your arms rather than use them. Start a green revolution to wean yourself off oil (I.e petrol cars banned in 20 years, all frestanding houses to have solar panels, all new houses to have water tanks, solar power and be highest energy ratings.) America haa ther knowhow but not the political will. Change your sue culture and legal system. Get your convicts working. You have the highest prison population and incaceration in the world and I read on average including capital costs its about $50k USD per prison per annum. Get these bums working for the country. Cap foreign wealth funds from holding more than 20% of assets in listed or key strategic assets.

Bit of a rant but I actaully want america to be strong I think it was born of good principle but has lost its way.

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Postby Bafana » Sat, 01 Aug 2009 4:49 am

I love Obama - There I said it (not that its an out of closet issue). Watched his campaign all the way from when he announced he would run and saw the amazing effect he has on the yanks and the world for that matter. The Obama girl is pretty convincing as well :cool:
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