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Postby Tribble » Sat, 04 Jul 2009 2:24 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:An Australian? As in currently holding Australian citizenship? Or formerly held Australian citizenship? So if the person applying for the job had been formerly a Singaporean who migrated to Perth or Sydney and took up citizenship then they could have applied for the job? If the position's requirement were that strict, then it should have paid at least a P2 set of wages along with suitable housing allowances.


Singaporeans cannot have dual citizenship, Singaporeans who give up their citizenship cannot work again in Singapore .. I am sure being a recruitment guru and pretty mch living on these boards you should have known this already right SMS? Right?

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Or, was it like a lot of new Australian Engineers, in recent years, who get jobs up here because they place no value on themselves and will work for peanuts therefore destroying the job market for other expats? As you settled for an "S" pass, it's no need to reply as we already know the answer. Lot's of companies here like to hire a cheap expat and it's gives the company face to have an Ang Mo for window dressing. Hopefully, your lack of self-worth will not hamstring you in the future as someone without negotiating power.

Good Luck.


As I said I came here because I was asked, not because I wanted to.
But hey thanks for playing the race card, who said I was Caucasian?

If you really have a dislike for expats, why are you a mod on this forum? to show that Singaporeans are jealous of other nations?

Are you upset being 22nd in earnings?

Fact, The average wage in Singapore is SG$30,000 a year.
The average wage where I am from is AUD$59,000 (SG$68,000)

I can rent a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom landed house for $1,200 back home.
I can buy a brand new car for $12,000 - $13,000

Trust me, I am NOT here because of work.

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Postby xtasy010 » Sat, 04 Jul 2009 3:47 pm

SMS, may be he is Aborigines and the job might require use of the local dialect or cultural performance :P

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 04 Jul 2009 4:54 pm

xtasy010 wrote:SMS, may be he is Aborigines and the job might require use of the local dialect or cultural performance :P


Actually, you might be correct. As his reading comprehension leaves a little be to be desired.

In his first post he claimed the job ONLY required a native English speaker (that obviously wasn't correct as later he asserted it was a position ONLY an Australian could fill). :P

Subsequently he indicates I know nothing about about Singapore's dual citizenship laws (after my 1000 posts discussing that and NS in the Strictly Speaking Forum). Why? Because he failed to read the following properly.

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
An Australian? As in currently holding Australian citizenship? (That, I had hoped, would have been self explanatory but apparently not.) Or formerly held Australian citizenship? (Australian who has taken up Citizenship in another country like Singapore so is no longer an Australian except by country of origin). So if the person applying for the job had been formerly a Singaporean who migrated to Perth or Sydney and took up citizenship then they could have applied for the job? (They would be Australian only as they would have had to renounce Singaporean Citizenship) If the position's requirement were that strict, then it should have paid at least a P2 set of wages along with suitable housing allowances.


And Tribble, there is no law preventing a Singaporean who has immigrated and taken up citizenship in another country from coming back to Singapore and working on a EP provided that that individual has done his NS as per their obligation (if required) and they haven't taken out all of their CPF. (Quite a few don't as they can't match the interest rates in any other investment vehicle with the same risk level). Also, provided that they have the relevant qualifications and the employer has the relevant needs and can demonstrate why they need to hire them. I mean, think about it, they hired you, with no qualification other than experience, didn't they? They also hired me the same way (I also have no degree) albeit 21 years ago when it was much harder to get employment passes at all. In recent years they have relaxed the requirements considerably (which is obvious looking a reading comprehension levels of a lot of Work Visa holders currently in Singapore). It's only during the current recession that we've seen a tightening up of MOM's criteria in applicants from other Asian countries.

Oh, if you are an ABC by chance you have my apologies (or condolences, which ever fits). Most westerners are labeled Ang Mo's locally even thought they aren't, specifically, as the definition locally is not literal anymore but more figuratively.

And yes, my English is bad. I don't make any excuses for it. I'm an uneducated farmboy, always have been, and when I retire in 3 more years, I'll go back to my farm.

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Postby Tribble » Sat, 04 Jul 2009 4:58 pm

xtasy010 wrote:SMS, may be he is Aborigines and the job might require use of the local dialect or cultural performance :P


Maybe it's the same reason why they hire Malaysians here because Singaporeans cannot speak the national langage ...
Singaporeans are more Chinese than the Chinese, at least the Chinese can speak their national language.

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Postby Tribble » Sat, 04 Jul 2009 5:36 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Actually, you might be correct. As his reading comprehension leaves a little be to be desired.


I never said the job required an Australian Citizenship, I said it required an Australian. Yes your reading skills are that of an uneducated farm boy (Two words btw) Having the right to vote in a country is not the same as being from that country.

What if an Indian was an Australian citizen but couldn't understand the local culture, is he still Ausralian or is he Indian?
One is a legal term (Citizen) the other is a cultural term (Australian)

I understand you are from the U.S. so I forgive your poor education by your own confession. (Uneducated farm boy - your words not mine)

You infer what you like so you never have to face losing your own arguements, you don't listen to others, you tell expats to go home when they post for help, you don't provide any legal or compassionate help and yet you are an expat yourself!

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 04 Jul 2009 6:14 pm

So then xtasy010 is 100% correct. It means you would have to be an Aboriginal person then according to your post. Correct?

Can you play the Didgeridoo? I found them (Aboriginals) interesting as I did a lot of traveling up around Katherine Gorge and the caves/rock paintings when I was working up in the Northern Territory back in '93-94 when I brought in the first survey vessel and officially opened the Timor Gap under the ZOCA arrangement between Indonesia & Australia. Also did a stint in Broome, WA as well.
What if an Indian was an Australian citizen but couldn't understand the local culture, is he still Ausralian or is he Indian?
One is a legal term (Citizen) the other is a cultural term (Australian)


The only "Australians" are the Aboriginals just like the only Singaporeans are the Malays and the only Americans are the Red Indian. All the rest are immigrants and offspring of immigrants. So now, how far do you want to keep splitting hairs? :wink:

There's an Australian saying, I believe, you ought to try following as well. "Play the ball, not the player?"

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Postby Tribble » Sat, 04 Jul 2009 9:07 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:So then xtasy010 is 100% correct. It means you would have to be an Aboriginal person then according to your post. Correct?

Can you play the Didgeridoo? I found them (Aboriginals) interesting as I did a lot of traveling up around Katherine Gorge and the caves/rock paintings when I was working up in the Northern Territory back in '93-94 when I brought in the first survey vessel and officially opened the Timor Gap under the ZOCA arrangement between Indonesia & Australia. Also did a stint in Broome, WA as well.
What if an Indian was an Australian citizen but couldn't understand the local culture, is he still Ausralian or is he Indian?
One is a legal term (Citizen) the other is a cultural term (Australian)


The only "Australians" are the Aboriginals just like the only Singaporeans are the Malays and the only Americans are the Red Indian. All the rest are immigrants and offspring of immigrants. So now, how far do you want to keep splitting hairs? :wink:

There's an Australian saying, I believe, you ought to try following as well. "Play the ball, not the player?"



Aboriginal means primitive/native inhabitants, hence why anything native to an area can be called Aboriginal, it's not a name of a race it's a term used to point out native groups. It is not limited to just groups of people (Canadian Aboriginals 'Inuit and Métis', Japan Aboriginals 'Ainu')but also used for anything indigenous. (originating where it is found)

There are only 5 races in the world, last I checked Aboriginal nor Australian was a race. So, once again I say Australian is a Cultural term.

Care to show how further ignorant you are?

Do you know what a Synonym is?
Do you know the difference between an Adjective and a Noun?
Would you like a Thesaurus?

Once again you show how you like to make things up in order to sound clever and are quickly proven wrong, next guess is you will once again start with more slander and insults to try and show how tough you are.

This is a forum to help and communicate with people, not your playground to insult and bully people because you have too much free time on your hands.
At least if you are going to try and bully people, please know what you are talking about first.

It's funny how I poste here stating that I got my pass and the first thing you did was insult my country.
Why do that for?
Why do you have so much hate?
Did I do anything to upset you in my earlier posts?


And it's not jst me, there was another guy asking for advice and your first reply was "Go home!"

What a sad man you have become.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:42 pm

What a sad boy you are. Still playing the man and not the ball.

Where have I insulted your country? Absolutely nowhere. Methinks your skin is a bit thin. Or are you again trying to read something where nothing is written. I loved working in Australia. Loved the people there as they are quite different on their home ground then they are when overseas. All countries citizens are different once taken out of their natural surrounding and placed in an unknown environment. Australians are no different. Once again, that fact has been proven here.

You almost sound like you have a chip on your shoulder. You needn't have one you know. Nobody attacked you at all. Actually, all of us tried to help you to see the "general" way of things here at the moment.

Unfortunately, because you got lucky (if you consider working on a "S" pass lucky) you started strutting around like a little Bantam Rooster. Guess what, you were the exception, not the norm. And the only reason, will all probability is that you undersold yourself. Otherwise, you should be at least on a P2 with some allowances towards accommodations minimum. Having said that, I will still stand by my earlier statement about a lot of new engineers coming up here and going to work for low wages. It hurts the market here and while I'm not an engineer, I've seen what it's done over the years. Especially in the O&G/Petrochem/Construction Industries where I came from. Of course, one cannot blame them as there wasn't much work in Aus at the time and by working here for a year or two as site engineers crawling around in the mud, they gained valuable experience and could return home after 2 years and command 50% more the their peers who never left Aus.

You know, if you would just read what is written and not try to read things that aren't there you would be much better off. I'm not sure where you get the idea that I "think up something clever" I write in plain English so maybe that is your problem, you only understand Oz English and not the American version. Unlike your last post, I don't cut and paste from Wiki in order to appear knowledgeable. I just post a link to it that way the credit is given to whoever wrote the article instead of plagiarizing it.

Why use 80 words when 2 will do? The message is still the same. Which, buy the way, is the way Singlish came about as well. :P

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Postby Tribble » Sun, 05 Jul 2009 2:12 pm

Read your posts SMS, then come back and apologise or stop posting at all.

Go over your other threads, apologise to those you have insulted also.

A letter and a screenshot of your attitude towards others will be brought into the office tomorrow.


Have a nice life.

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Postby Zeenit » Sun, 05 Jul 2009 2:52 pm

Tribble wrote:Read your posts SMS, then come back and apologise or stop posting at all.

Go over your other threads, apologise to those you have insulted also.

A letter and a screenshot of your attitude towards others will be brought into the office tomorrow.


Have a nice life.


Tribbe, you know you DONT have to post on here nor read it. But I think you might be bored.

have a chilled life.
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 05 Jul 2009 3:54 pm

Tribble wrote:A letter and a screenshot of your attitude towards others will be brought into the office tomorrow.


If you show them this thread, and they give you more money, you will need to apologize to me, I'm afraid, as you short-sold yourself.

And, yeah, zeenit is basically right. You aren't really being forced to read my posts are you?

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Postby js69872 » Mon, 09 Nov 2009 8:27 pm

Tribble wrote:Fact, The average wage in Singapore is SG$30,000 a year.
The average wage where I am from is AUD$59,000 (SG$68,000)

I can rent a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom landed house for $1,200 back home.
I can buy a brand new car for $12,000 - $13,000

Trust me, I am NOT here because of work.


Tribble, could you tell me please, you are here because of what? I'm asking, because i'm Russian deciding to move to Australia. So is it good for Australian to live in Singapore?


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