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Re: Tenancy agreements/leases and your rights as a tenant

Post by engonaplane » Tue, 09 Apr 2019 7:51 pm

x9200 wrote:
engonaplane wrote:Need some guidance. My existing flat lease is from June 1 2017 to May 31 2019.
Can you please quote from your TA how exactly this is phrased?
Sure

Original TA (All typed up as I had an agent representing me then)
The Landlord agrees to let and the Tenant agrees to take all that premises situated at and known as <address> (hereinafter called "the said premises") together with the furniture, fixtures and fittings therein belonging to the Landlord as specified in the Schedule annexed hereto (hereinafter called "the said furniture, fixtures and fittings") TO HOLD the same unto the Tenant from the 1st June 2017 to 31st May 2019 for a term of Two (2) years (hereinafter called "the said term") or until tenancy shall be earlier terminated as hereinafter provided, at the monthly rental of Singapore Dollars <amount> (hereinafter called "the said rent") compromising of:
Renewal TA is on a famous company template, with the dates handwritten in. We went direct as my wife was not happy with the service of our agent, and to save a couple of bucks on the commission Starting to bite us.
The Landlord agrees to let and the Tenant agrees to take all the property known as <address> (hereinafter called "the said premises") together with the furniture, fixtures and fittings therein belonging to the Landlord as specified in the Schedule annexed hereto (hereinafter called "the furniture") TO HOLD the same unto the Tenant from the 31st May 2019 to 30th May 2020 for a term of One Year (12) months at the rent of Singapore Dollars <amount> per month compromising :-
My challenge is the landlord agent is a veteran, and has said this is the usual practice, and I "can check". His POV is that I am suppose to move out May 31 2019, and thus my renewal lease must start on the same day so that I can stay on May 31 2019.....

My own POV aligns exactly with Strong Eagle.. that I am entitled to be in the house until 31st May 23:59 based on the original TA.

Let's see.

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Re: Tenancy agreements/leases and your rights as a tenant

Post by x9200 » Tue, 09 Apr 2019 9:30 pm

I was hoping to see the word "inclusive". The problem is such phrasing is ambiguous, but you can always argue that 2 years is 2x365 days (2017 was a leap year but you started in May :D ) so it should be 31st May inclusive.

As of the "usual practice" this is indeed BS in that sense that means nothing. Veteran or not, the usual practice is to answer any question and doubts saying that this is standard/usual practice/clause/whatever. Usual practice is to eat chicken rice, yet this does not imply you may not eat pickled cucumbers. In other words, you may ignore it and insist on having it your way.
The agents most often don't really comprehend the TAs in any more serious depth so they try to act conservatively preserving the content and minimize the risk on their side.

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Re: Tenancy agreements/leases and your rights as a tenant

Post by norbert.scheunemann » Wed, 17 Jul 2019 2:24 pm

Hi wonder if any comments from someone as subject would have come up many times before:
Our landlord wants to charge SGD 5000 flat fee for repairs (no breakdown of costs, biggest item is painting entire apartment whereas only small stains on two walls after 1,5 yrs)
I negotiated down from 7500 SGD
One week extra rent for repairs, but landlord states new tenant does not move in for another 3 weeks (hence no idea why)
My agent seems kind of useless so left to my own devices....any thoughts on this?
Many Thanks !!

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Re: Tenancy agreements/leases and your rights as a tenant

Post by PNGMK » Wed, 17 Jul 2019 3:04 pm

norbert.scheunemann wrote:
Wed, 17 Jul 2019 2:24 pm
Hi wonder if any comments from someone as subject would have come up many times before:
Our landlord wants to charge SGD 5000 flat fee for repairs (no breakdown of costs, biggest item is painting entire apartment whereas only small stains on two walls after 1,5 yrs)
I negotiated down from 7500 SGD
One week extra rent for repairs, but landlord states new tenant does not move in for another 3 weeks (hence no idea why)
My agent seems kind of useless so left to my own devices....any thoughts on this?
Many Thanks !!
Why would you be paying AT ALL for what looks like fair wear and tear? You're ONLY obligated to repair or replace items broken deliberately or by negligence such as a kicked in door or smashed in mirror.
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Re: Tenancy agreements/leases and your rights as a tenant

Post by norbert.scheunemann » Wed, 17 Jul 2019 3:23 pm

I know ! We have an agreed list of smaller items to fix and no issue in paying through his contractor if he provides estimate or mine but all I got was a lumpsum amount with no way of knowing what it's for.

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Re: Tenancy agreements/leases and your rights as a tenant

Post by PNGMK » Thu, 18 Jul 2019 12:37 pm

Then don't pay. When the LL inevitably tries to illegally withhold your deposit take him to the SCT. The magistrate will ask for details of the damages the LL claims and you can counter claim.
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Re: Tenancy agreements/leases and your rights as a tenant

Post by funkyfresh » Sun, 17 Nov 2019 10:14 pm

Hi, I was on a 2 year contract with my previous LL for a common room in a condo. I had handed over the keys to the LL and agent the agreed date. They had checked on the room condition during the handover when I moved out. 2 days later there's a new tenant that took over me and found some wear and tear(wardrobe skin peeling and cabinet drawer not closing fully) since I handed over

1. Would I still be liable/responsible for any repair cost after the handover?
2. When the LL hold the security deposit for 14 days, does he have the right to deduct any repair cost from it, it doesn't states anything on that part in the tenancy agreement?

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Re: Tenancy agreements/leases and your rights as a tenant

Post by leekxted » Fri, 22 Nov 2019 8:32 am

funkyfresh wrote:
Sun, 17 Nov 2019 10:14 pm
Hi, I was on a 2 year contract with my previous LL for a common room in a condo. I had handed over the keys to the LL and agent the agreed date. They had checked on the room condition during the handover when I moved out. 2 days later there's a new tenant that took over me and found some wear and tear(wardrobe skin peeling and cabinet drawer not closing fully) since I handed over

1. Would I still be liable/responsible for any repair cost after the handover?
2. When the LL hold the security deposit for 14 days, does he have the right to deduct any repair cost from it, it doesn't states anything on that part in the tenancy agreement?
You are no longer liable! The handover was already done, the handover is the LL's last chance to clarify matters related to damage. Also, wear and tear is reasonable and shouldn't be expected of you to pay for.

The contract should say "reasonable wear and tear expected" somewhere so you shouldn't be liable to pay for this. Hope this helps :D

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