To waffle is to write cosmetically, dressing everything up, which isn't really significant, it's very time wasting.BodyBlitz wrote:What do you mean by waffles?
If you are such a nerd, then you wouldn't mind finding the original piece of research, that link below only takes you to body recomposition website, the same link is splatter all over other fitness sites, too, yet there is no original research report i can find, so help me out here!BodyBlitz wrote:ah okay.
I'm doing it as a research review more than a sales copy or generic read.
I'm a nerd so in this documentation write like a nerd for the other nerds/people in the know to read and learn.
I take it as a investigative journal using science and clinical studies as the guiding force and being neutral.
This meant for people who already know their stuff, and looking to debunk the fallacies.
google scholar is your friend =)ksl wrote:If you are such a nerd, then you wouldn't mind finding the original piece of research, that link below only takes you to body recomposition website, the same link is splatter all over other fitness sites, too, yet there is no original research report i can find, so help me out here!BodyBlitz wrote:ah okay.
I'm doing it as a research review more than a sales copy or generic read.
I'm a nerd so in this documentation write like a nerd for the other nerds/people in the know to read and learn.
I take it as a investigative journal using science and clinical studies as the guiding force and being neutral.
This meant for people who already know their stuff, and looking to debunk the fallacies.
Bray GA et. al. Hormonal Responses to a Fast-Food Meal Compared with Nutritionally Comparable Meals of Different Composition. Ann Nutr Metab. 2007 May 29;51(2):163-171
and also the body composition website link of Ann Nutr Metaab. 2007 May 29:51: 163-171 is no where to be found
Okay I found it, oh my god! Do you really call this authoritative research, you have to be kidding me
here check it out on unboundmedicine.com the full citation, probably done in the burger bar, with no significant equipement and probably all from the gym.
http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/ ... omposition_
Interesting turn of phrase you use there. If I agree with you it a discussion. If I question or disagree without I'm throwing snide remarks? What do you think you statement above is? I believe it's what's also called a snide remark. I was merely pointing out to you that I think your efforts to educate here on this board is primarily falling on deaf ears as nobody is interested and the only people who tend to even give it a glance are us "old men" as you so "snidely" put it.BodyBlitz wrote:
So are you going to throw snide remarks now or are you willing to open up and start having a open mind?
Gary et al, concluded that there were greater loss in weight for the first 3 months however there was no direct distinctions with the amount of physical activity which gives leads us to question if their diets were because of the nutrition by itself or because of the diet + physical levels of the person that cause them to lose the weight. The dietary outlines itself was very vague and all the person needed to do was keep carbs below 20g per day which is about 80 calories.A Randomized Trial of a Low-Carbohydrate Diet for Obesity
Gary D. Foster, Ph.D., Holly R. Wyatt, M.D., James O. Hill, Ph.D., Brian G. McGuckin, Ed.M., Carrie Brill, B.S., B. Selma Mohammed, M.D., Ph.D., Philippe O. Szapary, M.D., Daniel J. Rader, M.D., Joel S. Edman, D.Sc., and Samuel Klein, M.D. ABSTRACT
Background Despite the popularity of the low-carbohydrate, high-protein, high-fat (Atkins) diet, no randomized, controlled trials have evaluated its efficacy.
Methods We conducted a one-year, multicenter, controlled trial involving 63 obese men and women who were randomly assigned to either a low-carbohydrate, high-protein, high-fat diet or a low-calorie, high-carbohydrate, low-fat (conventional) diet. Professional contact was minimal to replicate the approach used by most dieters.
Results Subjects on the low-carbohydrate diet had lost more weight than subjects on the conventional diet at 3 months (mean [±SD], –6.8±5.0 vs. –2.7±3.7 percent of body weight; P=0.001) and 6 months (–7.0±6.5 vs. –3.2±5.6 percent of body weight, P=0.02), but the difference at 12 months was not significant (–4.4±6.7 vs. –2.5±6.3 percent of body weight, P=0.26). After three months, no significant differences were found between the groups in total or low-density lipoprotein cholesterol concentrations. The increase in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol concentrations and the decrease in triglyceride concentrations were greater among subjects on the low-carbohydrate diet than among those on the conventional diet throughout most of the study. Both diets significantly decreased diastolic blood pressure and the insulin response to an oral glucose load.
Conclusions The low-carbohydrate diet produced a greater weight loss (absolute difference, approximately 4 percent) than did the conventional diet for the first six months, but the differences were not significant at one year. The low-carbohydrate diet was associated with a greater improvement in some risk factors for coronary heart disease. Adherence was poor and attrition was high in both groups. Longer and larger studies are required to determine the long-term safety and efficacy of low-carbohydrate, high-protein, high-fat diets.
Looking at the studies, I’m finding it really weird that no researcher actually thought about measuring the calories during the trials. I’ve read a few others and still there was no mention on calorie consumption, and this puzzles me as to why didn’t they just take this important factor into consideration and measure the caloric intake of the low carb diet when they have the means to do it?Effect of 6-month adherence to a very low carbohydrate diet program☆
Eric C Westman, MD, MHSabCorresponding Author Informationemail address, William S Yancy, MDab, Joel S Edman, DScc, Keith F Tomlina, Christine E Perkins, MSWa
Received 2 April 2001; received in revised form 24 January 2002; accepted 31 January 2002.
Abstract
Purpose
To determine the effect of a 6-month very low carbohydrate diet program on body weight and other metabolic parameters.
Subjects and methods
Fifty-one overweight or obese healthy volunteers who wanted to lose weight were placed on a very low carbohydrate diet (<25 g/d), with no limit on caloric intake. They also received nutritional supplementation and recommendations about exercise, and attended group meetings at a research clinic. The outcomes were body weight, body mass index, percentage of body fat (estimated by skinfold thickness), serum chemistry and lipid values, 24-hour urine measurements, and subjective adverse effects.
Results
Forty-one (80%) of the 51 subjects attended visits through 6 months. In these subjects, the mean (± SD) body weight decreased 10.3% ± 5.9% (P <0.001) from baseline to 6 months (body weight reduction of 9.0 ± 5.3 kg and body mass index reduction of 3.2 ± 1.9 kg/m2). The mean percentage of body weight that was fat decreased 2.9% ± 3.2% from baseline to 6 months (P <0.001). The mean serum bicarbonate level decreased 2 ± 2.4 mmol/L (P <0.001) and blood urea nitrogen level increased 2 ± 4 mg/dL (P <0.001). Serum total cholesterol level decreased 11 ± 26 mg/dL (P = 0.006), low-density lipoprotein cholesterol level decreased 10 ± 25 mg/dL (P = 0.01), triglyceride level decreased 56 ± 45 mg/dL (P <0.001), high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol level increased 10 ± 8 mg/dL (P <0.001), and the cholesterol/HDL cholesterol ratio decreased 0.9 ± 0.6 units (P <0.001). There were no serious adverse effects, but the possibility of adverse effects in the 10 subjects who did not adhere to the program cannot be eliminated.
Conclusion
A very low carbohydrate diet program led to sustained weight loss during a 6-month period. Further controlled research is warranted.
Effects of Low-Carbohydrate vs Low-Fat Diets on Weight Loss and Cardiovascular Risk Factors
A Meta-analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials
Alain J. Nordmann, MD, MSc; Abigail Nordmann, BS; Matthias Briel, MD; Ulrich Keller, MD; William S. Yancy, Jr, MD, MSH; Bonnie J. Brehm, PhD; Heiner C. Bucher, MD, MPH
Arch Intern Med. 2006;166:285-293.
Background Low-carbohydrate diets have become increasingly popular for weight loss. However, evidence from individual trials about benefits and risks of these diets to achieve weight loss and modify cardiovascular risk factors is preliminary.
Methods We used the Cochrane Collaboration search strategy to identify trials comparing the effects of low-carbohydrate diets without restriction of energy intake vs low-fat diets in individuals with a body mass index (calculated as weight in kilograms divided by the square of height in meters) of at least 25. Included trials had to report changes in body weight in intention-to-treat analysis and to have a follow-up of at least 6 months. Two reviewers independently assessed trial eligibility and quality of randomized controlled trials.
Results Five trials including a total of 447 individuals fulfilled our inclusion criteria. After 6 months, individuals assigned to low-carbohydrate diets had lost more weight than individuals randomized to low-fat diets (weighted mean difference, –3.3 kg; 95% confidence interval [CI], –5.3 to –1.4 kg). This difference was no longer obvious after 12 months (weighted mean difference, –1.0 kg; 95% CI, –3.5 to 1.5 kg). There were no differences in blood pressure. Triglyceride and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol values changed more favorably in individuals assigned to low-carbohydrate diets (after 6 months, for triglycerides, weighted mean difference, –22.1 mg/dL [–0.25 mmol/L]; 95% CI, –38.1 to –5.3 mg/dL [–0.43 to –0.06 mmol/L]; and for high-density lipoprotein cholesterol, weighted mean difference, 4.6 mg/dL [0.12 mmol/L]; 95% CI, 1.5-8.1 mg/dL [0.04-0.21 mmol/L]), but total cholesterol and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol values changed more favorably in individuals assigned to low-fat diets (weighted mean difference in low-density lipoprotein cholesterol after 6 months, 5.4 mg/dL [0.14 mmol/L]; 95% CI, 1.2-10.1 mg/dL [0.03-0.26 mmol/L]).
Conclusions Low-carbohydrate, non–energy-restricted diets appear to be at least as effective as low-fat, energy-restricted diets in inducing weight loss for up to 1 year. However, potential favorable changes in triglyceride and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol values should be weighed against potential unfavorable changes in low-density lipoprotein cholesterol values when low-carbohydrate diets to induce weight loss are considered.
This has placed the nail in the coffin for the Low Carb Talibans affectionately termed by Martin Birkin of Leangains.com - one of the experts in Intermittent Fasting.Ketogenic Low-Carbohydrate Diets have no Metabolic Advantage over Nonketogenic Low-Carbohydrate Diets - Research Review
Title and Abstract
Johnston CS et. al. Ketogenic low-carbohydrate diets have no metabolic advantage over nonketogenic low-carbohydrate diets. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. (2006) 83: 1055-1061
Background:Low-carbohydrate diets may promote greater weight loss than does the conventional low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet. Objective:We compared weight loss and biomarker change in adults adhering to a ketogenic low-carbohydrate (KLC) diet or a nonketogenic low-carbohydrate (NLC) diet. Design:Twenty adults [body mass index (in kg/m2): 34.4 ± 1.0] were randomly assigned to the KLC (60% of energy as fat, beginning with 5% of energy as carbohydrate) or NLC (30% of energy as fat; 40% of energy as carbohydrate) diet. During the 6-wk trial, participants were sedentary, and 24-h intakes were strictly controlled. Results:Mean (±SE) weight losses (6.3 ± 0.6 and 7.2 ± 0.8 kg in KLC and NLC dieters, respectively; P = 0.324) and fat losses (3.4 and 5.5 kg in KLC and NLC dieters, respectively; P = 0.111) did not differ significantly by group after 6 wk. Blood ß-hydroxybutyrate in the KLC dieters was 3.6 times that in the NLC dieters at week 2 (P = 0.018), and LDL cholesterol was directly correlated with blood ß-hydroxybutyrate (r = 0.297, P = 0.025). Overall, insulin sensitivity and resting energy expenditure increased and serum -glutamyltransferase concentrations decreased in both diet groups during the 6-wk trial (P < 0.05). However, inflammatory risk (arachidonic acid:eicosapentaenoic acid ratios in plasma phospholipids) and perceptions of vigor were more adversely affected by the KLC than by the NLC diet. Conclusions:KLC and NLC diets were equally effective in reducing body weight and insulin resistance, but the KLC diet was associated with several adverse metabolic and emotional effects. The use of ketogenic diets for weight loss is not warranted.
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