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Postby rahulmathur » Mon, 30 Mar 2009 5:11 pm

Hiii friends :).

I am a 24 year old man from India looking for a Marketing related job in singapore.I am a fresh graduate. Having done postgraduation diploma in Marketing am currently pursuing diploma in HR. I've applied for a few jobs through job portals but haven't gotten any reply yet.

Anyone who can help or provide valuable advice, please reply. Thanks alott in advance.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Mon, 30 Mar 2009 8:21 pm

Bud, you need to do a search on this board. Fresh grads have a tough enough time when times are good... when times are bad and retrenchments are going on all over the place, you will compete against plenty of experienced people. You have no track record. You have a common degree. You are not a tech whiz. How do you provide value add and why should someone hire you?

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Postby rahulmathur » Sun, 05 Apr 2009 4:00 am

well yeah, it's true world economy is in disarry and retrenchments are going on all the over the place. fresh grads are definitely having the toughest time facing competition with lots of experienced people. But organizations still need to infuse fresh blood. They still need to keep the new ideas flowing in. An organization still need young, energetic, talented people to grow and expand in future.

Now i might not have the experience or a great degree or some technical knowledge, but i can provide value to my employer through my education and my soft skills. Since am from marketing, soft skills are more important than the theoretical knowledge. My basics are intact. I know wat it needs to be successful.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:17 am

You 'think' you know what it takes. But, you only have textbook knowledge. The world rarely runs by the textbook. Unfortunately, it is every countries obligation to it's citizens first to ensure that they have jobs before inviting other to come here. Those who ARE allowed here are those who have something that the government cannot find among the local population easily. Hate to tell you, but marketing freshers are a dime a dozen here and there are surpluses of them if you want to know the truth. Your chances here, while not zero, is such a small percentage of 1% that you better have deep pockets as you will need it to support yourself.

Do yourself a favour. Get yourself 2 years of experience in your own country and then if you have something 'special' to sell, try marketing yourself. Right now, Freshers aren't marketable at all. Soft skills in marketing? Get real. What employers want is a proven track record.

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Postby joewandy » Fri, 10 Apr 2009 9:51 am

Do yourself a favour. Get yourself 2 years of experience in your own country and then if you have something 'special' to sell, try marketing yourself. Right now, Freshers aren't marketable at all. Soft skills in marketing? Get real. What employers want is a proven track record.


The words might be rather harsh, but I agree with sms :P You need to prove yourselves with some working experiences first in your home country.

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Hi

Postby calvink » Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:04 am

Priority to Singaporeans n PR

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:46 am

calvink,

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Unfortunately, it is every countries obligation to it's citizens first to ensure that they have jobs before inviting other to come here.


:oops: :P

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Postby winger7 » Sat, 11 Apr 2009 1:58 am

let alone marketing, for any job in general, i take it that 2 years experience definitely helps. For me the biggest question i have is whether 2 years of experience in any field and a general degree would be enough for employers to hire u and offer u a position from abroad...what r the chances when times r good? probably close to none seeing the current economy i take it.. :cry:

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 11 Apr 2009 7:04 am

Generally I would say 2 years in any related industry as the one you are attempting to get here. Exprience in something else, like bricklaying, isn't going to make you a better marketing guru. You need to be able to show a track record to the potential employer, otherwise, he can hire any local WITH experience or without. Doesn't make sense to hire a foreigner on a gamble does it?

Especially in the current economy. Employers don't want to waste money, time & effort either.

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Postby road.not.taken » Sat, 11 Apr 2009 7:37 am

rahulmathur wrote:well yeah, it's true world economy is in disarry and retrenchments are going on all the over the place. fresh grads are definitely having the toughest time facing competition with lots of experienced people. But organizations still need to infuse fresh blood. They still need to keep the new ideas flowing in. An organization still need young, energetic, talented people to grow and expand in future.

Now i might not have the experience or a great degree or some technical knowledge, but i can provide value to my employer through my education and my soft skills. Since am from marketing, soft skills are more important than the theoretical knowledge. My basics are intact. I know wat it needs to be successful.


Your basics are not intact: your spelling is shaky and so is your sentence structure. Organizations need 'young, energetic, talented people' who know how to effectively communicate a message.

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Postby ksl » Sat, 11 Apr 2009 2:18 pm

road.not.taken wrote:
rahulmathur wrote:well yeah, it's true world economy is in disarry and retrenchments are going on all the over the place. fresh grads are definitely having the toughest time facing competition with lots of experienced people. But organizations still need to infuse fresh blood. They still need to keep the new ideas flowing in. An organization still need young, energetic, talented people to grow and expand in future.

Now i might not have the experience or a great degree or some technical knowledge, but i can provide value to my employer through my education and my soft skills. Since am from marketing, soft skills are more important than the theoretical knowledge. My basics are intact. I know wat it needs to be successful.


Your basics are not intact: your spelling is shaky and so is your sentence structure. Organizations need 'young, energetic, talented people' who know how to effectively communicate a message.


Strange you should say that RNT, I personally know several people with no education and cannot read or write and have gained enormous wealth through their own talents and abilities of doing business, which appears to knock your theory a little.

One of the guys i know, owns amost half the City I lived in, in Denmark and has businesses in other Countries too, the other is an old school mate who had no formal education at all, leaving school at 15 and working his apprenticeship, I would say it's pretty pointless having an education if you cannot apply it, and there are many of these kind of people around in the work force.

Mind you i am not saying that a good education isn't a bad, I'm saying some people learn to survive the hard, way, before they can afford an education, they normally have the practical experience and a talent to succeed, yet lack the open doors....then on the other hand, some are born into families, that are financially stable, it's the luck of the draw.

I would at least say if you have the will for success, you will succeed, and not have to rely on others to carry you.

If your partner loses his position, how easy is it, for him to turn his hand to another position, after all he has you to support right, and the kids.

Education is by far, the talent you need, if their are no jobs, although practical skills and abilities, there will always be a need for.

Even for the people i look for, education is the least of my worries, i need natural talent first to be polite, respectful and passionate about the product, it doesn't matter that they cannot read or write, as long as they can move the product, talking from experience of promoters, that i have to deal with,with degrees in marketing doesn't help at all, what i need is the practical experience to produce results.

I think it's unfortunate that many people are wrongly advised, when doing education, they should never go against there own intuition, follow through will practical experience, then get education, one can always change skills again, although if you are caught in the trap of no practical experience and one degree, well panic does tend to be felt in times of trouble, unless you are multi skilled, that is.

I would also like to mention that many are not native English speakers, and sadly i feel a great kind of humiliation either from English native speakers for no apparent reason, other than to ridicule or have a laugh at their expense.

It's quite sad that humanity is a joke at times! Yet how many of these people speaking fluent in another language, or can even spell correctly in that other language.

I think it's time everyone stepped back and looked in the mirror, jokes are okay providing it is in a joking manner, those that do try are probably doing their best, they don't need their confidence setting back, but truthful remarks are always accepted well.

This is not only an expats board for the native English speakers, and no matter how difficult it is to read some posts, so what, to me it only exposes the weakness that you have in understanding those from other countries, to put it politely, you do not have enough experience working with foreign people, maybe you should volunteer to help some of these unfortunates, then a better understanding of how difficult they have it in a English environment.

I will also say that for people over 30 it's almost impossible for them to adapt to other countries, native tongue, unless they have the special talent required in the vocals, that is why many Chinese people for example cannot say Blackpool, they always say Balapoo and would probably spell it the same. The actual spelling and pronunciation of the English language is by no means a marker of the persons ability or skill set and in my line of work, the target specific segments of the Community.

People that are privileged often do well in education, unfortuantely this is only a minority of individuals out of many, and still guarantees nothing.

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Postby Plavt » Sat, 11 Apr 2009 4:59 pm

ksl wrote:Strange you should say that RNT, I personally know several people with no education and cannot read or write and have gained enormous wealth through their own talents and abilities of doing business, which appears to knock your theory a little.



The OP is looking for employment with an employer and will stand no chance without experience and the credentials referred to by both r.n.t, winger7 and sms.

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Postby ksl » Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:38 pm

Plavt wrote:
ksl wrote:Strange you should say that RNT, I personally know several people with no education and cannot read or write and have gained enormous wealth through their own talents and abilities of doing business, which appears to knock your theory a little.



The OP is looking for employment with an employer and will stand no chance without experience and the credentials referred to by both r.n.t, winger7 and sms.
Even if he doesn't have the credentials to be employed by a Multi national company, or doesn't speak Chinese or English doesn't mean to say that a place like Mustafa cannot use him, down in Little India. I understand quite well the difficulties in finding employment, but to be quite honest I listen to no one but myself, the person has the right attitude in believing in himself, he will find a way to get here, just like they all find a way into the UK, and the majority do work.

It is not for us to judge what the person is capable of, just because he is bad to English...this is a board for expats of all nationalities...and my statement is to reflect on ourselves, just how superior we are at speaking Indian.

If the guy is looking for a job in the Indian community, or not, the fact remains the same, I'm sure he can do without the all the negativity. Yes things are bleak but i am sure not every one are suffering, because we are not that is for sure, and if he was in Singapore, I would be pulling him in for an interview with the HR, for the Indian segment, screw his English and Chinese, I need him to communicate in his own language, if he's Indian and been through Uni, then his English will be good enough to communicate with...obviously he understands more than he can express himself.

So OP drop me your CV, there are no promises at all, but if we can use you, and get you here, that will be another problem that will have to be solved. The amount of people we have had to interview in the last 3 years, has been quite a few here in Singapore, and none of them have made the grade and all have had the credentials that the HR hired.

That's all I have to say, we are just a little to eager, to condemn people without the experience, and not fast enough to condemn with the experience, my job is to keep a company profitable, this isn't a public bus service were everyone can jump on for the ride :) and the government is in fact letting people in, especially from Philippines, that have better social skills and customer care experience.

We are not a MNC but we pay very well when it comes to the carrot, with a very good fixed income well above the normal local wage plus incentive bonus with no limit. But the working environment puts them off, they don't have the CBD, the coffee breaks, there own little desk and computer, because they have a degree, and have unrealistic visions of grandeur in the CBD district, a good workforce is quite challenging, with most not lasting very long in a hard working environment.

Of course MNC are a cushy number, in comparison to local employment. I'll bet 100$ their are many employed with SMS that write just as poor in English if not worse, my point was basically for others to consider language, it's not easy, and i know because I speak probably better Danish than English, on a higher level, that is, and quite often struggle with English, due to being away from the UK since the age of 18.

Although i do have knowledge of German and a few other languages also like Iranian. I had no problem at all to understand what he wrote, because of my experience of working with foreigners, that is my point.

I recall taking a guy back home on holiday with me, he was from Iran, and my brother started to talk to him in English like a retard, because he thought he couldn't understand English, because he was so poor to speak it, and write it.

Those that understand languages only know too well, that one understand always, before one starts to speak or write in most cases, and will take that into account. But those that have not been with foreigners, will either just continue to speak in their normal dialect and not clear precise mother tongue, or speak like a retard to emphasise every syllable.

It's just not a requirement, to criticise someones' language all the time, and especially if they are looking for work with Indians, which they may prefer.
Not only that my point was aimed directly at RNT, becuase of her assuming statement, relating to the guy's English.

There are many factors that expats seem to forget, and that is a guy's unique ability not to give up, and to keep replying to the same jobs.

Denmark must be one of the hardest Countries in Europe to secure work, although the problem there is the same as any other Country, locals, don't want the shit work....

I had done self employed work in Denmark and after my return a sent off job applications and couldn't speak the language, my main priority was a job, any job, and i secured it. Manual labour on the roads, I had no experience of laying telephone cables, couldn't speak English either, and not only that, only one person on the whole crew, could communicate in English a little. Figure that one out!

So I have no need to listen to the crap that others spout, if the guy has determination and the will to succeed, he shouldn't be listening to anyone but himself, because do expats know, if they never mix with local life, and only work for MNC. Exactly! Although one must start at the bottom to get accepted, and that would be far beyond the dignaty of many.

My social circle of arisocrats from 20 years ago, would back me up on this one, becuse when you are down in the dumps, without a dime in your pocket and no work either, you have a serious problem on your hands, especially is your born into the circle :wink:

But I would never kick a man lying down, he was a decent kind of guy, with an image to live up too, but I recall we did a few jobs together, and this guy had never been in a normal pub environment ever, only the best hotels, Country manors and invitions ex pilot down on his luck, it happens.

My other gripe is that SMS is not dissing the guys English, he's telling him to get more experience, I mix with a few Indians, and i can assure you, they pull together if they can, like many other nations, and there are many start ups, that need people, in the Indian Community, but lack the expertise to always get them in to work.

Like they have to prove how much work they have, for the new applicant for about 3 months, before MOM would even look at the paper, the employer must convince MOM that no others in Singapore will do the work.
We have been looking for competant sales for 3 years for 3 years plus an accountant, had several with degrees, but no commonsense to do a good job, which means they have to be supervised all the time and our place is a food factory, not a MNC 50 blk building in the CDB area.

Ours is a place of work that caters for a specific group the locals.
Many of the employed are expats, because many of the Singaporeans, don't want the hard work, staffing is a real problem. Not only for us, but many in the food and beverage sector.

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Postby winger7 » Sun, 12 Apr 2009 1:31 am

very well said ksl, i guess ive gotten a grasp of what u meant in ur last 2 entries, very long entries but i suppose presentation and well written english isnt everything. But then at the same time thats what emplyers look at, is your presentation and presence, they wouldnt know how reliable the employee is until he or she starts working and is given the chance.

Anyway I understand your point but presentation and well written english IS primary for me, otherwise one might not even be given the chance.

P.S. im dying to move to singapore...as long as i can secure a job from abroad I am set for everything

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Postby ksl » Sun, 12 Apr 2009 3:24 am

winger7 wrote:very well said ksl, i guess ive gotten a grasp of what u meant in ur last 2 entries, very long entries but i suppose presentation and well written english isnt everything. But then at the same time thats what emplyers look at, is your presentation and presence, they wouldnt know how reliable the employee is until he or she starts working and is given the chance.

Anyway I understand your point but presentation and well written english IS primary for me, otherwise one might not even be given the chance.

P.S. im dying to move to singapore...as long as i can secure a job from abroad I am set for everything


Your first paragraph says it all. If you do not perform, you are sacked, you may get a way with it with a MNC for a while, but a small company cannot afford to carry people, that do not earn their own incomes, unless there is good reseaon to have it that way, most get a probation period of 3 months or so I believe, I'm not HR so I don't know. I know one thing, agencies are not worth bothering with in many cases in Singapore, mind you saying that, it all depends on many factors, but it costs the company a great deal to get losers, more than once, and eventually small companies do not bother with agencies again. It's throwing money out of the window.

Education and CV's are not worth much at all, and I've seen quite a few, and sat in at interviews too on many occasions. The other factor is the small company owners passed on by families, have limited skills too, and are pretty well, because they also lack certain skills, and believe too much in there own abilities. You see most bosses here outsource everything because they cannot do it themselves, they are very limited in know how, they think they know how, and they know SFA, and i gave one a little lesson, that he didn't know what he was doing, because i refused to help him out, he lost money which made him more angry, like a kid without sweets, and blamed everyone but himself. he never learned from it, he's still believing he's the best.

Most common sense is genetic, the rest comes with all kinds of experiences, if you haven't grasped not to put your hand on the hot plate, by the time you are 30 there is not much hope I'm afraid, to acquire much common sense and i see that quite often in a few people that have MBA's.

It's common, here in Singapore not to have spatial awareness too, which is another problem, humanity and yes well i could go on, but i don't wish to ruin your dream, it's still a better place than UK in my opinion, although not the weather. :roll: What work are you looking at?
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