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Re: culture continued

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:34 pm

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sundaymorningstaple wrote:First of all, Merry Xmas even though it's not an Indian holiday (unless you happen to be a minority Christian Indian). You first post was fair dinkum but this one?......
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What makes you think I'm Indian?

The highest execution rate per capita in the world - good deal whatever it is.

Am I being moderated by the immoderate? I notice that you also suggest that I am racist. That's a very serious and unpleasant charge, not very moderate of you either. I also don't accept your view that stating things like 'No Indians' is somehow acceptable because it refers to housing quotas.

Fining you if your maid gets pregnant (making an employer legally responsible for their employee's private life) - not cultural but the law (laws and culture are different - I believe you have somehow intermingled the two.)

Do you mean you find law and culture to be discontinuous entities? The way I see it is that laws create culture and culture creates laws.
First of all, you need to observe a wee bit about this particular forum. Primarily, the moderators are regular posters with regular opinions just like anybody else. Unless we sign off in the post as a moderator, we are posting in our personal mode. The fact that it says moderator on the left hand side under our nick is immaterial on this board. We also don't get paid, but do this voluntarily. So get used to it. Everybody else has.

Secondly, you seem to have a dislike for the Chinese and don't particularly like the fact that some adverts say no Indians. Sounds like racial bias to me. I can give you another reason that some adverts say no Indians as well, but you might not like it. Some homeowners are adverse to having to renovate the home after some Indian families move out. I don't like saying this as it's going to cause some flaming but having been here for over a quarter of a century AND being married to an Indian, I can attest to what I'm saying. Depending of the cultural background/dietary habits of the family, they might use lots of ghee and charcol burners and heavy spices/incense. While this is okay for the most part. If there is lots of wood in the unit, it will absorbs these aromas forever and sometimes the only thing that will remove them is a total renovation which can be expensive. Now, unfortunately, some landlords use this reason as well. Not all are like that, but to the landlord, it's easier to eliminate all rather than taking the chance. Wrong? Damn right it's wrong! But, it's still the landlord's property and they are free to rent it to whomever as long as government regulations aren't breached. If you haven't already noticed, there's not any equal opportunity laws here.

Immoderate? Oh, I'm not entitled to my opinion but you are? Sorry, didn't know it was your way or no way......

"Widespread belief in the supremacy of the Chinese race and Malay and Indian inferiority"

#-o Didn't you do any reading about Singapore before you came here? With Chinese making up 78% of the population, why wouldn't there be Widespread belief" as they are the "widespread" population.

And, finally, no, I don't believe culture causes the laws to be made. I believe laws are made due to necessity. If it were cultural, then, as the Chinese are the widespread majority, the laws would favour them and all the laws here would be the same as in China, or Taiwan. But, even though they are culturally the same, their laws are vastly different. So you might want to rephrase your thoughts.

Again, I'll say, welcome to the board but don't think for a moment that we don't give as good as we get. :P :wink:
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Re: culture continued

Post by ProvenPracticalFlexible » Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:38 am

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What!? But it's just what I think! Christ, I don't know if it makes me a troll, or really what you mean by that. I'm not sure you're expressing yourself as well as you could by using those crude animations. You completely miss the point of my argument. And why can't one express perfectly reasonable views on the internet without being insulted? I even get insulted by the 'moderator.' Unbelievable.

But it is not reasonable to claim that England has superb quality food.

Britain was an big country some hundred+ years ago, now it's been overtaken in development by it's ex-colonies in almost every single area. Still it was never famous for (in positive sense at least) for its food or weather. I'd say the assumption that you are a troll just trying to wind up people for response is quite reasonable.

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Re: culture continued

Post by Vaucluse » Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:05 am

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CantervilleGhost wrote:
What!? But it's just what I think! Christ, I don't know if it makes me a troll, or really what you mean by that. I'm not sure you're expressing yourself as well as you could by using those crude animations. You completely miss the point of my argument. And why can't one express perfectly reasonable views on the internet without being insulted? I even get insulted by the 'moderator.' Unbelievable.

But it is not reasonable to claim that England has superb quality food.

Britain was an big country some hundred+ years ago, now it's been overtaken in development by it's ex-colonies in almost every single area. Still it was never famous for (in positive sense at least) for its food or weather. I'd say the assumption that you are a troll just trying to wind up people for response is quite reasonable.
Precisely, it is NOT reasonable to claim what you did. Are you not aware of the foul smell of hypocrisy emanating from your posts when you write completely uninformed and baseless rubbish?

Weather? For goodness sake . . . British weather is the butt of jokes around the world, yet you wish to be taken seriously with this statement?

Politics? Thatcher crushing unions and sucking Reagan's willie to not be left behind in some sort of 'Anglo-Group-Hug'? The lies and deceit by Blair vis-a-vis invading Iraq . . . yet again begging the US to be seen as being a good boy?

There was a time when the British had a spine and their own foreign policy . . . now they are mere lapdogs for the US.

Food? Get a grip. Roll out some numbers regarding Michelin stars, go ahead . . . yet the average meal you find is utter shite, irrespective of the number of 'celebrity chefs' you have wandering around

Best literature in the world hands down? Are you bi-lingual? Have you read any 'foreign' literature? Can you extract your head from your arse for one moment to see the wealth of written masterpieces that abound outside of your island?
I'm not sure you're expressing yourself as well as you could by using those crude animations. You completely miss the point of my argument. And why can't one express perfectly reasonable views on the internet without being insulted? I even get insulted by the 'moderator.' Unbelievable.
As for expressing myself using 'crude' animations . . . at least there is substance behind these animations, unlike your drivel which shows you to be an uninformed, xenophobic and insular person with very limited education.

You do not present reasonable views, to wit your statements highlighted above, and leave yourself open to ridicule.

(Look, no 'crude' animations and I still make sense)
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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:15 pm

:roll:

I haven't had such a good laugh for quite a while. If you want the UK, why don't you just return home? For the record, this is Singapore and Asia in case you were somehow deluded into thinking it was still the West. #-o

I was going to reply, but with your verbosity I figured it would take too long for our readers to pick their way through your indignation.

And frankly, you should have done a little reading of the threads here before you started posting. You would have known that all the moderators reply as individuals here. Just like a bull in a china shop. Pun intended.
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Re: culture continued

Post by ProvenPracticalFlexible » Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:17 pm

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But it is not reasonable to claim that England has superb quality food

Yes it is. It doesn't have good restaurants, most people can't cook, and its cuisine is rarely to be found. There is no good bread to be bought anywhere but the rarest bakeries. But I miss decent meat and cheese. You can't buy good meat in Sing.
Ok now I understand, you miss the mad cow taste on your roast beef. Yes it would be difficult to find that in Singapore. In Singapore they only import waguy grade beef from Japan and Australia and the prime angus from US, but yes British mad steak is not available.

What cheese do you really miss, there a reasonable selection of French cheese here, including lait cru Camembert from cold storage. For sure a bit wider selection in France, but really most of those regional cheese stuff you won't be able to find anywhere outside of France, which after all is the cheese mecca of the world.

So are you just homesick and miss your comfort food, or seriously think that England of all countries has better food in any sense than Singapore.

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Post by singaporenet.net » Wed, 30 Dec 2009 4:22 am

rluk wrote:First of all I love the MRT. One of the best things about Singapore. Ever tried catching public transport to work in Australia? wooah. Forget about it! But I thought I would share this one:

The other day as I got off at my station I saw a young man in an electric wheelchair slowly putting his way to the open lift when a perfectly fit woman about mid thirties comes dashing past. Jumps in the empty lift, hits the close door. Door shuts in front of the wheelchair and lifts her up to heaven. I can't ever recall such an egregious example of rude behaviour! Left quite a few people mouths agape.
I love the SMRT. One of the best things about Singapore. Ever tried catching public transport to work in Bangkok? :D some time i saw people pretend to sleep to keep the seat, some time they offer it to others. it depend on people mood of the days lah :P

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Re: culture continued

Post by Vaucluse » Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:57 am

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Are you not aware of the foul smell of hypocrisy emanating from your posts when you write completely uninformed and baseless rubbish?

Weather? For goodness sake . . . British weather is the butt of jokes around the world, yet you wish to be taken seriously with this statement?


Which of my statements is baseless?

Fairly well all of them . . .take your pick. Any and all of the statements mentioned

If you want footnotes and references then you'll have to ask for them specifically.

Footnotes on your baseless statements about weather, food and literature??? Ok . . . please provide references supporting your assertions

My comment on British weather, I don't know why it should make you so vicious.

Vicious? Hardly. Amused? Yes

It was meant to be humorous,

I see . . . you are now saying that you were joking . . . despite your protestations to the contrary.

As for politics. You can criticise our politicians. You can say what you want here on this site or there in the UK.

Oh, I do . . . like I make fun of and criticise Australian politics, US politics etc...

I feel aghast when Brits come to Singapore and take the view that democracy and freedom are for losers.

I'd like to see your reference for that statement

Many of them are really, actually, trying. My point to Brits is, just slagging them off won't do anymore, there's too much to lose.

Are they really? You say this after all the rubbish that has come out regarding misuse of public funds for moats and birdbaths and the like? More like a tinpot African country, really

I don't know why this expression of love for British literature should be so offensive to you or get you so riled up.

It doesn't at all. Of course you are free to adore your country's rich literary heritage. (If you include the Irish contribution, of course)

I say this in the context of my disbelief at the way Britons are ready to completely rubbish their country and abandon it, just because it's getting tatty and difficult.

Rubbish. That was clearly not your intention

It doesn't mean that I don't love Bulghakov infinitely more than, say, Graham Greene.

Excellent, you're improving.

I don't want to defend myself against the charge of having a very limited education.

Defending the indefensible is not a clever move, well done

I also have no wish to avoid being ridiculed.

Too late

Having said that, I don't feel ridiculed, I think that's a little conceited of you.

Conceited of me???? Please do look in the mirror and re-read your posts, which smack of conceit
It is quite disingenuous of you to change the goalposts when you find resistance . . .
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Re: culture continued

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 30 Dec 2009 2:05 pm

Vaucluse wrote: It is quite disingenuous of you to change the goalposts when you find resistance . . .
Maybe he should join the party in power here. Sounds like he's got that part down pat! :P
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Post by Vaucluse » Wed, 30 Dec 2009 2:35 pm

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Vaucluse wrote: It is quite disingenuous of you to change the goalposts when you find resistance . . .
Maybe he should join the party in power here. Sounds like he's got that part down pat! :P
He/she will first have to learn that Singapore is majority Chinese, close to the equator and NOT BRITAIN!

Maybe he/she will look good in white . . . :)
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Post by vbelle » Wed, 30 Dec 2009 4:04 pm

Speaking of Indian..

I've always heard this comments about "foreign worker"
1. "I have to take her(my friend) to the door, its not safe around here you know...cause there are a lot of foreign worker"

2. " NYE in Siloso is not fun...because..there is a lot of foreign worker"
3." I am not sure about going to Orchard or Siloso, there is a lot of foreign worker, means molest and theft"

And i've heard few more similar comments..from the locals..Dont really like it..i mean..
Foreign workers...(actually i am foreign worker i think?;p)
Just sounds like a prejudice..generalising...but of course..its not uncommon to have immigrant as the culprit of all things goes wrong in a country...
So, before I deemed that those people are racists...I thought i should check with police if indeed crime is mostly committed by..."foreign workers"

Obviously...to safe my trip to the police..Anyone know if this is prejudice? Or statistic based comments?

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Post by adione » Wed, 30 Dec 2009 4:07 pm

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What cheese do you really miss, there a reasonable selection of French cheese here, including lait cru Camembert from cold storage. For sure a bit wider selection in France, but really most of those regional cheese stuff you won't be able to find anywhere outside of France, which after all is the cheese mecca of the world.

ok, this OT IMHO but I can't resist.....
as an Italian I'm really sad about the cheese selection available here...
besides all the variety of cheddar (never tried before though), there're few french cheese and maybe 2 types of parmesan cheese...
I REALLY miss all the vast selection of italian cheese!
Gotta ship it from time to time heheheheh
(all above was bit ironic :) )

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 30 Dec 2009 6:10 pm

vbelle wrote:Speaking of Indian..

I've always heard this comments about "foreign worker"
1. "I have to take her(my friend) to the door, its not safe around here you know...cause there are a lot of foreign worker"

2. " NYE in Siloso is not fun...because..there is a lot of foreign worker"
3." I am not sure about going to Orchard or Siloso, there is a lot of foreign worker, means molest and theft"

And i've heard few more similar comments..from the locals..Dont really like it..i mean..
Foreign workers...(actually i am foreign worker i think?;p)
Just sounds like a prejudice..generalising...but of course..its not uncommon to have immigrant as the culprit of all things goes wrong in a country...
So, before I deemed that those people are racists...I thought i should check with police if indeed crime is mostly committed by..."foreign workers"

Obviously...to safe my trip to the police..Anyone know if this is prejudice? Or statistic based comments?
It's prejudicial as statistically, the number of crimes by foreigners here is no different than for locals and I believe it's somewhat smaller from a statistical point of view if I remember correctly from an article in the papers back during the Serangoon Gardens debacle over the new dormitory there. It's a pretty sad state of affairs considering the number of local households with "foreign workers" living under their roofs! :-|
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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 30 Dec 2009 6:10 pm

vbelle wrote:Speaking of Indian..

I've always heard this comments about "foreign worker"
1. "I have to take her(my friend) to the door, its not safe around here you know...cause there are a lot of foreign worker"

2. " NYE in Siloso is not fun...because..there is a lot of foreign worker"
3." I am not sure about going to Orchard or Siloso, there is a lot of foreign worker, means molest and theft"

And i've heard few more similar comments..from the locals..Dont really like it..i mean..
Foreign workers...(actually i am foreign worker i think?;p)
Just sounds like a prejudice..generalising...but of course..its not uncommon to have immigrant as the culprit of all things goes wrong in a country...
So, before I deemed that those people are racists...I thought i should check with police if indeed crime is mostly committed by..."foreign workers"

Obviously...to safe my trip to the police..Anyone know if this is prejudice? Or statistic based comments?
It's prejudicial as statistically, the number of crimes by foreigners here is no different than for locals and I believe it's somewhat smaller from a statistical point of view if I remember correctly from an article in the papers back during the Serangoon Gardens debacle over the new dormitory there. It's a pretty sad state of affairs considering the number of local households with "foreign workers" living under their roofs! :-|
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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