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Postby lulu1234 » Fri, 08 May 2009 10:07 am

winger7 wrote:Thanks lulu1234, sorry but...if I didnt process my pass thru SMC then I would have to do it after I land in sg then right...I think one would need quite a lot of savings but I do feel confident to be able to get a job within 4 or 5 months tho...and yes i do have a university degree with 1 year of customer service experience...it should be 2 by then, or maybe a year in another field...


Not sure where you get the info from that SMC will do the pass for you (here i mean: Employment Pass, S-Pass, Work Permit). What i know, SMC only does LPR application and only MOM (ministry of manpower) is authorized to release EP/S-Pass/WP AFTER they receive proof of a letter of offer from your hiring employer in Singapore. No individuals can apply for these pass by themselves; their employers must apply for them.

You may refer to the EPEC - employment pass eligibility certificate which you can apply yourself even when you're not in SG. But, to be frank, this "pass" is useless because candidates with EPEC still have to submit the whole set of documents again when their employer wants to apply EP/S-Pass/WP for them. And, EPEC doesn't guarantee anything.

Customer Service...hmmm...there're many many many many people (locals & foreigners) who can do customer service job & their expected salary is really low, especially in this economic climate. And, most junior customer service position (1-2 yrs exp) doesn't require degree holder anyway.

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Postby winger7 » Fri, 08 May 2009 3:13 pm

thanks again lulu, that was a very clear answer right there. Just one more thing tho, say i do get the LPR pass from SMC...thats the pass that allows a year to look for a job right, so does the LPR pass make me eligible to apply for jobs that state 'singaporean or PR only?' i think thats the most important thing to me...is if one would be eligible..

as for my experience it's too early to say to be honest until i get a new job, i wont know what field my new job will be in but even if it was 2 years customer experience...well in HK my previous job did require a university degree...so for me on top of the experience, i can only consider a degree to be a plus :) anyway thanks a lot again for the help

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Postby lulu1234 » Fri, 08 May 2009 5:09 pm

Even if you're a foreigner without LPR, you can still apply for the jobs with "singaporeans & SPR only"
But it depends on the employer whether they want to employ you.

The benefits of holding LPR vs. non-holding LPR are only the following:
(1) As an LPR holder, you can convert to "full" SPR once you get a full time job, regardless of the salary. Whereas, EP can only be obtained if you get min S$2500/month; S-Pass S$1800.

(2) As an LPR holder, your employer is not restricted by the quota ; i.e., S-Pass/WP can only be hired if the company still meets the quota requirements.

Other than those 2 benefits, you're as good as other foreigners & it still depends on the employers whether they want to hire you.

The disadvantages: once you get the job, you'll be converted to SPR (within 1-2 weeks), and you will have to start contributing CPF (your monthly salary will be auto deducted and transferred to the CPF account). And, of course, you will have to pay income tax as well...just like other SPR and citizens.

I didn't notice you're a hongkong-er. if not wrong, the SMC fee for LPR application for HK people is slightly different; it may be more than $1500 that i mentioned earlier.

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Postby winger7 » Fri, 08 May 2009 7:29 pm

wow thanks a lot lulu, I do owe u a favour :lol: yea i had to read that thru about 5 times to get the full grasp of it. I am from hong kong but hol a canadian passport so I will be considered a canadian there. From what I heard I dont think I would mind the EP really, I would need at least 2500/month to live off if i were to pay for expenses anyway.

I understand what you mean when you say anyone can apply to Singaporean or PR only jobs, I'm sure you can but I believe theres probably a 0% chance otherwise they wouldnt state that.

I hope I'm not being a nuisance by asking so much, but if I dont decide to go thru SMC, I will need a visit visa if I decide to apply for something after I physically land there. What would the charges be for that visa...and will I be eligible to work in Singapore with that visa? Thanks a lot

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Postby Strong Eagle » Fri, 08 May 2009 8:15 pm

winger7 wrote:wow thanks a lot lulu, I do owe u a favour :lol: yea i had to read that thru about 5 times to get the full grasp of it. I am from hong kong but hol a canadian passport so I will be considered a canadian there. From what I heard I dont think I would mind the EP really, I would need at least 2500/month to live off if i were to pay for expenses anyway.

I understand what you mean when you say anyone can apply to Singaporean or PR only jobs, I'm sure you can but I believe theres probably a 0% chance otherwise they wouldnt state that.

I hope I'm not being a nuisance by asking so much, but if I dont decide to go thru SMC, I will need a visit visa if I decide to apply for something after I physically land there. What would the charges be for that visa...and will I be eligible to work in Singapore with that visa? Thanks a lot


Winger7, old buddy, I've watched many of your 63 posts to date, and you'll forgive me if I say you need to pull your head out of your arse and start reading what people are saying... and do some research yourself.

To summarize:

a) To come in from HK with a Canadian passport you do not need a visa... you will be granted a 30 to 90 day tourist pass at no cost... you could have found this out by going to the immigration and checkpoints authority. You CANNOT work without an employment pass or an SPR. Got it? You cannot get an employment pass unless an employer asks for one for you and it is approved by MOM. Got it? PR is granted if the gahmen thinks you will be a long term asset to Singapore. Will you?

b) The LPR and the EPEC are government programs that give you special status to come to Singapore for an extended period of time to search for work. No insult intended, ole buddy, but you're not gonna qualify for either. But, prove me wrong... instead of asking the same stupid question here, file for an EPEC... go to SMC and have them prequalify you. It beats the crap out of repeated posts here that get you nothing.

c) No matter how you do it, you will need an employment pass and a job to live here. Maybe your pass is a PR... great... but read what people have been saying about getting a job... whatever the hell 'customer service' is, there are plenty to do it... and customer service generally sucks here.

Bottom line: Shit or get off the pot. Make a decision. Read, study, assess and then do something. I couldn't find a way to hire you because you seem so damn indecisive. It's only money... you'll get more of that. Where does your heart take you and are your balls big enough to follow your heart? That is what matters.

Best, and all that.


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