Split from the "One line about Singapore" thread

[twista88]

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[Plavt]

twista88,
I have split this from the original thread as the OP there was asking for
one liners about Singapore not your opinions about foreigners in Singapore who you appear to have a problem with. I suppose all locals are 'goody two shoes' who never said a bad word or made a criticism of a foreigner and treated them with the utmost respect. Get a life mate, racism, arrogance, religious hatred colour prejudice is not confined to one race or another.

Ps: I have added the title 'I Hate Expats' as that's what you seem to be saying.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Hi everyone,

Being a Singaporean and living in SG all my life, I can safely conclude that the last 10yrs we have had substantial improvement economically,infrastructure wise,safety and security and many more. Today SG is a modern city and we would carry on improving on it.

Yes, you are correct. And it was due to expatriate foreign workers who made up the majority of the labourers who built it for you. It expatriate engineers who designed it and it was expatriates who, for the most part, oversaw the building and the training of locals to run it. So regardless of how you perceive them, your elevated standard of living is reason enough to thank them rather than diss them.

I would take this opportunity to express my feelings on SG. SG is losing its identity slowly, locals no longer feel the sense of belonging. With so many expatriates here and so little communication amongst us. Its like an invasion.

Singapore is not losing it's identity. It has never had one. The closest it comes is the Merlion created by the Singapore Tourist Promotion Board. For that matter, most of the 4 races here don't even communicate amongst themselves. This I know for fact. When an gathering of locals assemble and there happens to be a "expat" in the group, do the local make them feel welcomed? Nah, most still talk in a language that is dominant in the group thereby excludes the "expat" from the conversation. (usually native language even though ALL in the office speak English as well)

Recently, SIF had a event for integrating the locals with expatriates. No matter how you try, integration is not going to work cause the expatriates think too highly of themselves, their arrogant and this only comes from all the white folks. Mainly because they think that they're superior intellectually,financial status, well they mostly do leave in private properties. But this should never be coming from individuals who supposedly hail from civilized regions and ethnic backgrounds.

According to your own culture, we are "White Barbarians". We are still referred to as "Ang Mo" and while it's no longer a derogatory terms as it's used, the old connotations are still there. Most expats are more than willing to integrate with the locals, but we must be met half way. If we are not "welcomed" we are taught not to intrude where we are not wanted. (unless we are paid to do so) You want us to integrate, welcome us into your communities. Welcome us into your heartlands. I'm speaking for the general majority as I own my own HDB flat and am a full member of the zone's resident committee. Also, it might be a good idea to sweep off you own back step first. Remember the recent episode in Serangoon Gardens?

You can't expect to form a club and just ask locals to join them so that there can be more communication, it would rather be awkward for the local. (see my paragraph above about switching to English if one joins the group) Moreover expats aren't that friendly, I personally only have met a few friendly ones. There was this one time where I was at Boat Quay having drinks with my friends and I felt like using the gents, the gents was located at the back of the bar, as I approached the gents, a Caucasian lady followed through . She desperately needed to use the bathroom and asked me whether I would allow her to do so first, I did allow her. After she was done using it, she did not even thank me or even express any humble gesture, not even a smile, instead she would just stare at me like as if I was some low down person. I felt really bad. You may say that I am being very petty at this point but don't first impression suppose to give you a raft idea of what we are dealing with, I even received feedback from friends and working colleagues.

You are using an episode of a possibly drunk expat in a bar and the basis of your observations? Yeah, that's pretty petty I must say. Don't even get us started on the general rudeness and anti-social behaviour of locals that tend to put off the desire to even "want" to integrate. Things like spitting, hawking, picking, plucking & digging in public. Not counting the things like throwing garbage all over the place (so as to give the expats something to do like cleaning up behind them). Yeah, the guys who clean up your filthy rubbish are expats as well even though they aren't white. And every Singaporean lords their superiority over them. Sound familiar? I think it's time you took a step back and maybe have a rethink about how you judge others as well!

We still welcome the expatriates but please be friendly not only to your own kind and status but to all. For the ladies, there even good partners out there.So make the right choice and do not discriminate.

I might add, it would be good to practice what one preaches........

Regards,
Twista88

Gong Xi Fai Chai,

regards,
SMS

[Wind In My Hair]

Yeah, the guys who clean up your filthy rubbish are expats as well even though they aren't white. And every Singaporean lords their superiority over them.

Every single Singaporean? A blanket statement like that has to be wrong. I treat the cleaners quite nicely, thank you very much. It's you I lord my superiority over, hmmph. The rest of your post I tend to agree with... had to read all the way to the end to find something to object to!

Twista,

I keep telling disgruntled expats that if they'd only behave nicely to locals, they'd usually be treated nicely back. I would say the same to you now. You can't expect to crash into this forum slamming expats and start counting how many are nice to you in return. Still, you may get lucky. SMS was quite nice to you, all things considering!

[bigfilsing]

of course he can crash into the forum. It's his PAP given right.

He will come back and read this ...if only to stroke his own ego and make his penis feel a little larger.

I've got a load of Singapore mates who never fail to amuse me ( and me them) Been working together for years . It's just the odd muppet who honestly can't think of a better dig at expats, than on an expat forum.

Stupid boy Pike

[ozchick]

Ooh Twista, I'm so sorry to hear your unhappy thoughts on expats.
Like Bigfilsing, I also have quite a few colleagues and friends who are Singaporeans- the most wonderful people- and in one of my first posts on this forum, I commented on the friendliness of the locals here.
Like WIMH I had to search through your post for an apect I could really object to. And honestly, I agree with much of what you've said. Many expats DO think too highly of themselves- and arrogance- I've seen a lot of that.
But read the arguments that SMS has countered and these are valid too.
It's never gonna be a perfect world. Keep the faith Twista. We're not all bad guys. I for one don't begrudge you saying how you feel.
Understand that we on this site can't do a lot about what the 'bad guys' do. But we CAN speak up if we see expats doing the wrong thing, just as you can speak up if you see locals doing the wrong thing. E.G.Several times I've spoken to expats about their 'littering. But I've spoken to locals about the same thing too!" I'm not big on complacency.
Xin Nian Kuai Le!

[twista88]

Everyone in this forum has the right to speak their mind.

Base on what I said in my first post which 'SMS' had transferred the thread to 'I hate expats'. This is how I shall rebut,

Although SMS was right in saying that we as Asians do tend to do a lot of things that really put others off, I too feel the same way as being a minority race in SG, certain individuals tend to communicate in their native language when we are with them, making us feel invisible. But SMS has failed to realise that my comments were directed towards the white folks. Asians expats are never a problem for us cause we more or else hail from the same ethnic backgrounds and share the same culture.

I am sure that many remember a bunch of white folks who were in SG about 2 yrs back and they insulted a trishaw rider, a poor old man who has to put in so much of effort to just make a decent leaving, they recorded the videos and posted it on YOU TUBE which caused an uproar in SG.

My comments derived from experiences which I gained as a law enforcer previously. There would be so many expats that would approach us with the most ridiculous complains, we try our very best to assist them and what do we get in turn, insults, sarcasms,degrading words and we being law enforcers/civil servants, we are obliged to just put our heads down and still be humble to them.

Just as you reminded us that we had no identity of our own over a small discussion and that expats had built our nation for us, the same way I had dealt with expats who made such remarks. Its like a slap on our face, do you think that is right? Now who is trying to show superiority here?

NOT EVEN A WORD OF THANKS COMES OUT OF THEIR MOUTH AFTER PROVIDING SO MUCH ASSISTANCE.

Btw the incident at the pub,the expat wasn't drunk.

So far there is improvement but we just have to work together or else there is going to be a severe breakdown.

I do not hate expats, in fact I have quite a few friends who are expats and we really enjoy each others company, over the years we have develop a strong bonding among ourselves.

I would appreciate if SMS does not degrade me in the eyes of other expats just because you are having misconceptions about what I said.


A VERY HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR TO ALL!!

Regards,
Twista88

[road.not.taken]

You should not be in law enforcement.

[twista88]

You should not be in law enforcement.

Just so you know, SG has compulsory National-Service, I did well in mine,after being ill-treated by you folks.

I achieved an outstanding certificate of service and testimonial.

[road.not.taken]

You should not be in law enforcement.

Just so you know, SG has compulsory National-Service

Really ?!? I didn't know that

Sarcasm aside, seriously Twista, with a subject line like 'I hate expats' in an expat forum, you can hardly expect people to take you seriously. Your posts are uneven, incoherent and show a dangerous bias. Law enforcement and such obvious preconceptions aren't usually a winning combination.

[twista88]

You should not be in law enforcement.

Just so you know, SG has compulsory National-Service

Really ?!? I didn't know that

Sarcasm aside, seriously Twista, with a subject line like 'I hate expats' in an expat forum, you can hardly expect people to take you seriously. Your posts are uneven, incoherent and show a dangerous bias. Law enforcement and such obvious preconceptions aren't usually a winning combination.

I am not the one who came up with the title ' I hate expats'. My whole comment was shifted by another member.

I am not bias, so please!!

You should learn to read the whole thread before commenting.

[road.not.taken]

Dude, you typed the words. It's your handiwork and no one else's. I read the whole thread, even the five edits you took to get your long rant just 'right'.

Later Sport!

[twista88]

After speaking to my friends and loved ones about what I had posted on 'one liner on SG' which was shifted to 'I hate expats', I guess I may have got too emotional and carried way with my personal experiences and ended up overlooking certain positive aspect. Not everyone is the same, I apologise for my remarks made that probably offended expats and locals alike.

We are all travelers in life, some day we might end up in their country and probably face the same problems too.

I can't retract the comments made, but can only apologise. Get rid of the whole thread if it is possible to avoid offending others. I tried removing it but to no avail.

Regards,
Twista88

[Vaucluse]

My comments derived from experiences which I gained as a law enforcer previously.

There would be so many expats that would approach us with the most ridiculous complains,

Ah, you've met Ozchick then?

I hear someone cut her off on the road and she is asking for the death penalty . . . she is an expat, after all, and deserves the special consideration vis-a-vis the local scumscroungers who should be grateful that we are even here.

[twista88]

My comments derived from experiences which I gained as a law enforcer previously.

There would be so many expats that would approach us with the most ridiculous complains,

Ah, you've met Ozchick then?

Sorry don't know who is that, don't bother about the thread. I foolishly ended up making some unwarranted accusations and have apologised to the members.

Regards,
Twista88