SINGAPORE EXPATS FORUM
Singapore Expat Forum and Message Board for Expats in Singapore & Expatriates Relocating to Singapore
Singapore new Citizen or PR parents & son's national service
Singapore new Citizen or PR parents & son's national ser
Is it possible for Singapore new Citizen or PR parents to get rid of their son's NS (national service) liability by keeping him on long term Social Visit pass but again putting him in local schools/universities? Main concern is how to avoid NS for him.
OR are there other ways? Please advise.
OR are there other ways? Please advise.
- sundaymorningstaple
- Moderator
- Posts: 39867
- Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 1:26 pm
- Location: Retired on the Little Red Dot
- sundaymorningstaple
- Moderator
- Posts: 39867
- Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 1:26 pm
- Location: Retired on the Little Red Dot
sundaymorningstaple wrote:Better yet. Go home. This country doesn't need your type of people here.

Re: Singapore new Citizen or PR parents & son's national
Well, according to the website, LTSVP is for the following:kazilad wrote:Is it possible for Singapore new Citizen or PR parents to get rid of their son's NS (national service) liability by keeping him on long term Social Visit pass but again putting him in local schools/universities? Main concern is how to avoid NS for him.
OR are there other ways? Please advise.
Foreign nationals seeking employment in Singapore
Foreign nationals visiting Singapore under technopreneur/entrepreneur scheme
Foreign female social visitors whose children/grandchildren are studying in Singapore on a Students Pass
Doesnt seem like your son will fall under any of these categories so...no. However, there seems to be some sort of Students Pass available. I think non PR/Citizens pay higher rates for school though (assuming "local schools/universities" are referring to public schools and not international ones).
I think you meant "This country doesn't need national service, which only serves to drive away skilled people".sundaymorningstaple wrote:Better yet. Go home. This country doesn't need your type of people here.

Vaguely heretical thoughts on travel technology at Gyrovague
Re: Singapore new Citizen or PR parents & son's national
Do not register him as a PR just keep him on a SVP, this can be done.kazilad wrote:schools/universities? Main concern is how to avoid NS for him.
I'm sorry some others here are intolerant of "your type of people"

good luck.
G
- sundaymorningstaple
- Moderator
- Posts: 39867
- Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 1:26 pm
- Location: Retired on the Little Red Dot
Re: Singapore new Citizen or PR parents & son's national
And you wonder why the world is in the shape it's currently in? That's part of the reason. Everybody wants to listen to the music, but nobody wants to pay the Piper.gonzales wrote:Do not register him as a PR just keep him on a SVP, this can be done.kazilad wrote:schools/universities? Main concern is how to avoid NS for him.
I'm sorry some others here are intolerant of "your type of people"
![]()
good luck.
G

SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers
National Service
National service seems to be a big issue, and a somewhat heated one. Here is my point of view. I will be in singapore probably for several years, but I doubt that I will be there for 14 or 15 years. My son is currently 2 years old. So I dont think that he will be living in singapore at 16. If he was, then he would presumably be integrated into Singapore society, and the whole thing would be a non-issue. However, I am wary of making decicions which could come back to impact him as an adult. Perhaps it is ignorance of the system, but I have visions of him transiting through Singapore at age 30, wife and kids in tow, and being picked up and made do 2 years of national service. Ridiculous? Maybe. But imagine if it could happen. My boy was born in Hong Kong, and I ignored all the excited cries of "he will be eligible for HK residency", and made quite sure he was registered as an Australian citizen. Why? because I cannot predict what future impact there might be for him if I were to give HK "ownership" of him in any way. I know I cant predict what will happen in Australia either, but that does not mean that I want to needlessly complicate his future in any way. I know people who have left countries as infants, who cannot return 30 years later to visit relatives, because they would be picked up and forced to do national service. I figure if i work in Singapore, pay my taxes, contribute to the economy and make my kids good members of society, I have done my bit in exchange for the few years I may spend there, without my son having to donate 2 years of his life some time down the track in what will be for him a completely foreign country. I dont tink this is selfish. I think it is sensible.
- sundaymorningstaple
- Moderator
- Posts: 39867
- Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 1:26 pm
- Location: Retired on the Little Red Dot
From what I've seen over the past half-dozen years or so, you use the term "skilled people" very loosely!jpatokal wrote:I think you meant "This country doesn't need national service, which only serves to drive away skilled people".sundaymorningstaple wrote:Better yet. Go home. This country doesn't need your type of people here.


SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers
- sundaymorningstaple
- Moderator
- Posts: 39867
- Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 1:26 pm
- Location: Retired on the Little Red Dot
Re: National Service
Then the next question I would have to ask, out of curiosity only, is why would you take up PR then? If you are not planning on staying here, it doesn't make any sense to take PR. An EP would be fine wouldn't it? Unless, that is, you are only trying to milk the system with out having any of the obligations? You can do all the things you mentioned to be a good member of society here without being a PR. That way you eliminate any of the problems right? Anything else, to me, would be trying to abuse the system as they tell you up front the obligations to being a PR. What is sensible in not being a PR unless you plan on being here for the long term.Shona wrote:National service seems to be a big issue, and a somewhat heated one. Here is my point of view. I will be in singapore probably for several years, but I doubt that I will be there for 14 or 15 years. My son is currently 2 years old. So I dont think that he will be living in singapore at 16. If he was, then he would presumably be integrated into Singapore society, and the whole thing would be a non-issue. However, I am wary of making decisions which could come back to impact him as an adult. Perhaps it is ignorance of the system, but I have visions of him transiting through Singapore at age 30, wife and kids in tow, and being picked up and made do 2 years of national service. Ridiculous? Maybe. But imagine if it could happen. My boy was born in Hong Kong, and I ignored all the excited cries of "he will be eligible for HK residency", and made quite sure he was registered as an Australian citizen. Why? because I cannot predict what future impact there might be for him if I were to give HK "ownership" of him in any way. I know I cant predict what will happen in Australia either, but that does not mean that I want to needlessly complicate his future in any way. I know people who have left countries as infants, who cannot return 30 years later to visit relatives, because they would be picked up and forced to do national service. I figure if i work in Singapore, pay my taxes, contribute to the economy and make my kids good members of society, I have done my bit in exchange for the few years I may spend there, without my son having to donate 2 years of his life some time down the track in what will be for him a completely foreign country. I dont tink this is selfish. I think it is sensible.
Okay, I've agitated enough. I'll shut up now.....

SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers
I am not actually in Singapore yet, so I don't know the system. I dont know in what way the system can be milked, or the advantages of becoming a permanent resident, or whether it is even necessary to do so in order to stay and work in Singapore for several years. If it isn't, it's not something I will do, I would think. But it is a little unpleasant to be painted as some kind of unscrupulous leech simply for having concerns about future ramifications for my children. I actually thought that moderators generally serve the function of providing a balanced viewpoint, or at least allowed varying viewpoints to be heard with mutual respect. Apparently not.
-
- Regular
- Posts: 118
- Joined: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 3:09 pm
- Location: India->Toronto->Singapore
-
- Similar Topics
- Replies
- Views
- Last post
-
-
National service duty when converting to SG Citizen
by winston.ang » Wed, 19 May 2021 7:47 pm » in PR, Citizenship, Passes & Visas for Foreigners - 4 Replies
- 2932 Views
-
Last post by winston.ang
Wed, 19 May 2021 10:00 pm
-
-
-
Singaporean parents and PR son above 22 years old
by yujin17 » Tue, 18 Sep 2018 7:12 pm » in PR, Citizenship, Passes & Visas for Foreigners - 2 Replies
- 2440 Views
-
Last post by PNGMK
Tue, 18 Sep 2018 7:42 pm
-
-
-
PR for parents of Singapore Citizen
by bak_kwa » Sat, 14 Apr 2018 1:41 am » in PR, Citizenship, Passes & Visas for Foreigners - 6 Replies
- 3910 Views
-
Last post by sundaymorningstaple
Tue, 17 Apr 2018 1:00 pm
-
-
-
Is my son a Taiwanese citizen or not?
by Urban89 » Tue, 19 Nov 2019 6:04 pm » in Parenting, Family & Schools - 0 Replies
- 7838 Views
-
Last post by Urban89
Tue, 19 Nov 2019 6:04 pm
-
-
-
Son is Aus and Sg Citizen - How do we migrate back to Aus without the need to Serve NS
by victortan11 » Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:39 am » in National Service - 2 Replies
- 3641 Views
-
Last post by PNGMK
Fri, 05 Aug 2022 5:09 pm
-
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests