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Post by kazilad » Thu, 15 Jan 2009 3:59 pm

Is it possible for Singapore new Citizen or PR parents to get rid of their son's NS (national service) liability by keeping him on long term Social Visit pass but again putting him in local schools/universities? Main concern is how to avoid NS for him.
OR are there other ways? Please advise.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 15 Jan 2009 5:52 pm

Please use the search function. Surely, you are capable of that. :roll:

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 15 Jan 2009 5:53 pm

Better yet. Go home. This country doesn't need your type of people here. :mad:

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Post by kazilad » Thu, 15 Jan 2009 7:09 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Please use the search function. Surely, you are capable of that. :roll:
SMS, I surely used the search function and did not find any related post. Hence posted the question.

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Post by kazilad » Thu, 15 Jan 2009 7:24 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Better yet. Go home. This country doesn't need your type of people here. :mad:
:shock: Hold on..! am I the only one in Singapore seeking to get rid of NS for their son? What is wrong asking question in this forum if not found in existing posts? There is no harm having different views from that you have regarding NS.

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Re: Singapore new Citizen or PR parents & son's national

Post by jon0lim » Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:24 pm

kazilad wrote:Is it possible for Singapore new Citizen or PR parents to get rid of their son's NS (national service) liability by keeping him on long term Social Visit pass but again putting him in local schools/universities? Main concern is how to avoid NS for him.
OR are there other ways? Please advise.
Well, according to the website, LTSVP is for the following:

Foreign nationals seeking employment in Singapore

Foreign nationals visiting Singapore under technopreneur/entrepreneur scheme

Foreign female social visitors whose children/grandchildren are studying in Singapore on a Students Pass

Doesnt seem like your son will fall under any of these categories so...no. However, there seems to be some sort of Students Pass available. I think non PR/Citizens pay higher rates for school though (assuming "local schools/universities" are referring to public schools and not international ones).

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Post by jpatokal » Wed, 21 Jan 2009 1:41 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Better yet. Go home. This country doesn't need your type of people here. :mad:
I think you meant "This country doesn't need national service, which only serves to drive away skilled people". :P
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Re: Singapore new Citizen or PR parents & son's national

Post by gonzales » Thu, 29 Jan 2009 4:18 pm

kazilad wrote:schools/universities? Main concern is how to avoid NS for him.
Do not register him as a PR just keep him on a SVP, this can be done.

I'm sorry some others here are intolerant of "your type of people"
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good luck.
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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 30 Jan 2009 1:26 pm

gonzales wrote:
kazilad wrote:schools/universities? Main concern is how to avoid NS for him.
Do not register him as a PR just keep him on a SVP, this can be done.

I'm sorry some others here are intolerant of "your type of people"
:roll:

good luck.
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Post by Shona » Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:53 am

National service seems to be a big issue, and a somewhat heated one. Here is my point of view. I will be in singapore probably for several years, but I doubt that I will be there for 14 or 15 years. My son is currently 2 years old. So I dont think that he will be living in singapore at 16. If he was, then he would presumably be integrated into Singapore society, and the whole thing would be a non-issue. However, I am wary of making decicions which could come back to impact him as an adult. Perhaps it is ignorance of the system, but I have visions of him transiting through Singapore at age 30, wife and kids in tow, and being picked up and made do 2 years of national service. Ridiculous? Maybe. But imagine if it could happen. My boy was born in Hong Kong, and I ignored all the excited cries of "he will be eligible for HK residency", and made quite sure he was registered as an Australian citizen. Why? because I cannot predict what future impact there might be for him if I were to give HK "ownership" of him in any way. I know I cant predict what will happen in Australia either, but that does not mean that I want to needlessly complicate his future in any way. I know people who have left countries as infants, who cannot return 30 years later to visit relatives, because they would be picked up and forced to do national service. I figure if i work in Singapore, pay my taxes, contribute to the economy and make my kids good members of society, I have done my bit in exchange for the few years I may spend there, without my son having to donate 2 years of his life some time down the track in what will be for him a completely foreign country. I dont tink this is selfish. I think it is sensible.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 03 Feb 2009 1:50 pm

jpatokal wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:Better yet. Go home. This country doesn't need your type of people here. :mad:
I think you meant "This country doesn't need national service, which only serves to drive away skilled people". :P
From what I've seen over the past half-dozen years or so, you use the term "skilled people" very loosely! :lol: :wink:

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 03 Feb 2009 1:52 pm

Shona wrote:National service seems to be a big issue, and a somewhat heated one. Here is my point of view. I will be in singapore probably for several years, but I doubt that I will be there for 14 or 15 years. My son is currently 2 years old. So I dont think that he will be living in singapore at 16. If he was, then he would presumably be integrated into Singapore society, and the whole thing would be a non-issue. However, I am wary of making decisions which could come back to impact him as an adult. Perhaps it is ignorance of the system, but I have visions of him transiting through Singapore at age 30, wife and kids in tow, and being picked up and made do 2 years of national service. Ridiculous? Maybe. But imagine if it could happen. My boy was born in Hong Kong, and I ignored all the excited cries of "he will be eligible for HK residency", and made quite sure he was registered as an Australian citizen. Why? because I cannot predict what future impact there might be for him if I were to give HK "ownership" of him in any way. I know I cant predict what will happen in Australia either, but that does not mean that I want to needlessly complicate his future in any way. I know people who have left countries as infants, who cannot return 30 years later to visit relatives, because they would be picked up and forced to do national service. I figure if i work in Singapore, pay my taxes, contribute to the economy and make my kids good members of society, I have done my bit in exchange for the few years I may spend there, without my son having to donate 2 years of his life some time down the track in what will be for him a completely foreign country. I dont tink this is selfish. I think it is sensible.
Then the next question I would have to ask, out of curiosity only, is why would you take up PR then? If you are not planning on staying here, it doesn't make any sense to take PR. An EP would be fine wouldn't it? Unless, that is, you are only trying to milk the system with out having any of the obligations? You can do all the things you mentioned to be a good member of society here without being a PR. That way you eliminate any of the problems right? Anything else, to me, would be trying to abuse the system as they tell you up front the obligations to being a PR. What is sensible in not being a PR unless you plan on being here for the long term.

Okay, I've agitated enough. I'll shut up now..... :lol:

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Post by Shona » Tue, 03 Feb 2009 9:14 pm

I am not actually in Singapore yet, so I don't know the system. I dont know in what way the system can be milked, or the advantages of becoming a permanent resident, or whether it is even necessary to do so in order to stay and work in Singapore for several years. If it isn't, it's not something I will do, I would think. But it is a little unpleasant to be painted as some kind of unscrupulous leech simply for having concerns about future ramifications for my children. I actually thought that moderators generally serve the function of providing a balanced viewpoint, or at least allowed varying viewpoints to be heard with mutual respect. Apparently not.

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Post by awesomearpit » Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:12 am

Well ... I wouldn't want to be on an EP in this economy.. you lose your job and gotta pack up and go home in something like 2 weeks.
That would be one huge reason to get a PR.

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