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Postby Saint » Thu, 02 Jul 2009 3:08 pm

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will save u the trouble, u can start by writing to me. I TOTALLY FULLY agree with the TS!!

So far throughout this thread u have been discussing NS, just to highlight a fact, NS is only for "MALE" children!!....now my colleague is a PR and has a daughter, he can move back whenever he want and spend his well saved cash in India and his daughter can still come here and apply for job and studies!!...weheras with a boy, I can not do any such thing!!...why such a discremination - i am paying equal taxes, right

My kid is 20 months and i have no intentions to take decision on his behalf...if at age of 13/14 when he understands where he has to stay then he can take his PR or go to India to continue his studies (i personally would prefer him going to India and finish his studies there), not that i have anything against the eductaion here or the NS.

My primary concern is that, singapore being such a wonderful country, we do not want to do anything that will hamper him from coming to study or work here in his prime age, when he will be more qualified to take decisions on his own.


I wished the government would make it compulsary that all children of PR parents have to also become PR. Will stop people just using the PR option as a long term savings plan.

Just my opinion

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 02 Jul 2009 3:16 pm

Saint wrote:I wished the government would make it compulsary that all children of PR parents have to also become PR. Will stop people just using the PR option as a long term savings plan.

Just my opinion


100% Agreement with you saint!

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Postby deepanshu_s » Thu, 02 Jul 2009 3:17 pm

:shock: wow..people live in so much misconception...

dear dear, since when do u thing PR==SAVINGS!!

if u feel that the subsidy or discount that you get on schooling and medical is saving then you are highly mistaken. That amount is peanuts and moreover its deducted from your CPF, with interest, whenever you renounce your PR. :???:

Actually the name "PR" is misleading, no one can be a "PERMANENT" resident of a country, only its citizen can...its just a long term commitment to the country

PR just means, "i will be here for another 5 years definitely, 10 yers perhaps and maybe 15 years..."

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Postby hibri2 » Thu, 02 Jul 2009 3:21 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Saint wrote:I wished the government would make it compulsary that all children of PR parents have to also become PR. Will stop people just using the PR option as a long term savings plan.

Just my opinion


100% Agreement with you saint!


quick (and maybe naive) question;

when you talk about "long term saving plans" are you talking about the CPF?

it is not the same if, for example a EP holder (which gets the employer to pay the so many percent they give to PR and Citizens for the CPF) just saves that monies somewhere?

basically, i just want to clarify what is the real benefits of a PR?

isn't a PEP just like PR but without the CPF?
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Postby deepanshu_s » Thu, 02 Jul 2009 3:24 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Saint wrote:I wished the government would make it compulsary that all children of PR parents have to also become PR. Will stop people just using the PR option as a long term savings plan.

Just my opinion


100% Agreement with you saint!


Et tu, Brute(sms) ?...and when i thought you had a better understanding of the system :(

whats this you guys have against PRs...they contribute equally to the country and even more than the citizen by paying higher prices and take less subsidy...they pay the same tax, they even go to NS.

so whats the issue if people move back to the country of origin!!...thats where the roots are, they will move back one day or the other, let them decide when its best for them and their family to move back..

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Postby Saint » Thu, 02 Jul 2009 3:40 pm

deepanshu_s wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Saint wrote:I wished the government would make it compulsary that all children of PR parents have to also become PR. Will stop people just using the PR option as a long term savings plan.

Just my opinion


100% Agreement with you saint!


Et tu, Brute(sms) ?...and when i thought you had a better understanding of the system :(

whats this you guys have against PRs...they contribute equally to the country and even more than the citizen by paying higher prices and take less subsidy...they pay the same tax, they even go to NS.

so whats the issue if people move back to the country of origin!!...thats where the roots are, they will move back one day or the other, let them decide when its best for them and their family to move back..


I am a PR

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Postby Saint » Thu, 02 Jul 2009 3:49 pm

hibri2 wrote:
isn't a PEP just like PR but without the CPF?


A PEP is only issued once and is valid for 5 years and isn't renewable, so after 5 years.........

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 02 Jul 2009 3:55 pm

deepanshu_s wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Saint wrote:I wished the government would make it compulsary that all children of PR parents have to also become PR. Will stop people just using the PR option as a long term savings plan.

Just my opinion


100% Agreement with you saint!


Et tu, Brute(sms) ?...and when i thought you had a better understanding of the system :(

whats this you guys have against PRs...they contribute equally to the country and even more than the citizen by paying higher prices and take less subsidy...they pay the same tax, they even go to NS.

so whats the issue if people move back to the country of origin!!...thats where the roots are, they will move back one day or the other, let them decide when its best for them and their family to move back..


You know the rules of taking up PR. If you don't like them, why do you want to take it up? The government is very clear of the obligations of taking PR. Nobody is forcing you to take PR. You do it of you own free will. Of course there are some codicils if you do so. These are told to you up front. The problem is that you people seem to have some kind of big misconception about the whole thing.

For the record, PERMANENT RESIDENCE is just that. They are giving you the opportunity to stay in Singapore Permanently. PR is not given in 5 year intervals. I think you need to return to the books and learn some reading comprehension. You can live IN SINGAPORE Permanently without even renewing your PR. Your PR does not Expire.

However. IF you want to leave Singapore for trips and holidays or business, etc. You must have a valid Re-entry permit (this is separate from PR). The government gives you a Re-entry permit provided you have PR and also a job (with exceptions - I'll not go into all that here). If you never leave Singapore (and lots of Singaporeans have never been out of Singapore - not even to JB or Batam) you do not need to renew your Re-entry permit. If you do leave Singapore without a re-entry permit, however, you are signaling to the government that it is your intention to give up your PR. If it is expired before you leave you will have to file an IR21 (Tax Clearance) first. If you leave on a valid exit permit but it expires while you are out of the country, you could find yourself fined when you return to Singapore (I think it's $100 fine if you plane on renewing it). If you don't renew it. Don't bother to return as you will have been evading taxes possibly. Long term serious damage to your credibility.

What do I have against PR's? Real PR's, absolutely nothing. I'm one. PR's who are just using the system to keep from having to leave the country while they look for a new job after they've been replaced by locals or are just hopping all over the world collecting PR's (I know this is a favourite pasttime of some people from the sub-continent) just make it harder on those of us who are here for the long term. It's because of the "AB-users" of the system that our subsidies have been curtailed in the past couple of years.

They don't pay higher prices unless you are determined to shop in Jason's or Cold Storage. But because of abusers, we now have to pay higher prices at the Polyclinics & hospitals. We don't get the rest of the handout from the government as that is for the citizens. However, we are allowed to buy HDB flats. CPF contributions pay interest at a much higher rate the the same saving in the banks and it's guaranteed by the government as well.

I have no issues with those people who want to move back to their country of origin. The sooner the better the way I see it, before they ruin it for the rest of us. :x

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Postby jpatokal » Fri, 03 Jul 2009 1:14 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:What do I have against PR's? Real PR's, absolutely nothing. I'm one. PR's who are just using the system to keep from having to leave the country while they look for a new job after they've been replaced by locals or are just hopping all over the world collecting PR's (I know this is a favourite pasttime of some people from the sub-continent) just make it harder on those of us who are here for the long term. It's because of the "AB-users" of the system that our subsidies have been curtailed in the past couple of years.

Oh, give me a break. PR is the right to live in Singapore, nothing more, nothing less, and I find it bizarre that any services are subsidized for PRs in the first place. If you're so keen on demonstrating your loyalty to this little red dot and so incensed about how they're taking away your subsidies, then bite the bullet and take up citizenship already. :roll:
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Postby deepanshu_s » Fri, 03 Jul 2009 3:59 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote: Real PR's, absolutely nothing. I'm one. PR's who are just using the system to keep from having to leave the country while they look for a new job after they've been replaced by locals or .... just make it harder on those of us who are here for the long term. It's because of the "AB-users" of the system that our subsidies have been curtailed in the past couple of years.


you sound like an old haggard who has no job and "actually" enjoying his PR-ship...if you want "MORE" subsidies why dont you have the heart to become SC from PR. We are the ones who are woking hard, its OUR CPF money that the govt uses to fill its cofers and u have even objection to us seeking jobs here!! Wake up uncle, thats how it works, you are given a PR and you work here...you are not given a PR so that you can enjoy Sentosa and Beer

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Postby hibri2 » Fri, 03 Jul 2009 4:13 pm

and that is exactly how threads degenerate into drama!

deepanshu_s wrote:We are the ones who are woking hard, its OUR CPF money that the govt uses to fill its cofers and u have even objection to us seeking jobs here!! r


excuse me... do you pay CPF and you are not PR? i sort of remember you are asking bout getting PR so how do you pay CPF? i got confused there.

on the other hand, if i am not PR and i dont pay CPF... i still contribute a lot to this or any country that host me by spending a lot (and i mean... a lot) of money in beer... CPF is just a personal fund, it is not intrinsically shared (like for example social securty and welfare)
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 03 Jul 2009 5:37 pm

deepanshu_s, Yes, and sadly I still work here and have done so for over a quarter of a century. I also pay taxes and contribute to CPF (PR's have that obligation unfortunately - although I rather like the 2.6% & 4% interest I get on my funds there as opposed to the .25% that the banks pay on savings. If you are on EP you do not nor cannot pay into CPF. (That was done away with back in 1995 - As the government felt that it wasn't fair to the PR's to also allow EP holders to reap the same benefits as PRs. Tax rates, after 183 days we all, Citizen, PRs & EP/WP holders all pay the same rates.

As far as whether or not I enjoy PR, it's a moot point. I am only pointing out facts and until JPatokal finds a woman that will put up with his nonsense, he doesn't have to worry about sprogs running around the house so he can take the highroad but it doesn't mean much as he hasn't walked both sides of the fence yet. It's easy to talk hypothetically. :P

JP, I am biting the bullet. It's not a matter of whether I like PR or not. In my case, I've invested a lot over the past 30 years in a nice waterfront farm on the east coast of the US. I plan on retiring there in the next 3 to 5 years. Why should I retire to live in a pigeon coop in the sky? That's why I've never bothered to get citizenship - had every intention of spend most of my working life here (and that is contributing to the economy here) but never had any intention of retiring here.

deepanshu_s, last couple of posts I've seen from you indicates you don't pay squat into CPF so you are just spouting out your arse on a Friday afternoon. I been paying CPF a long, long time now. In fact, it's paid/paying for my flat as well and that will be paid for in 3.5 years as well. You seem to be letting your bulldog mouth overload your hummingbird butt. Why not wait until you actually have your PR so you don't look foolish.

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Postby ksl » Fri, 03 Jul 2009 6:00 pm

Saint wrote:
deepanshu_s wrote:
will save u the trouble, u can start by writing to me. I TOTALLY FULLY agree with the TS!!

So far throughout this thread u have been discussing NS, just to highlight a fact, NS is only for "MALE" children!!....now my colleague is a PR and has a daughter, he can move back whenever he want and spend his well saved cash in India and his daughter can still come here and apply for job and studies!!...weheras with a boy, I can not do any such thing!!...why such a discremination - i am paying equal taxes, right

My kid is 20 months and i have no intentions to take decision on his behalf...if at age of 13/14 when he understands where he has to stay then he can take his PR or go to India to continue his studies (i personally would prefer him going to India and finish his studies there), not that i have anything against the eductaion here or the NS.

My primary concern is that, singapore being such a wonderful country, we do not want to do anything that will hamper him from coming to study or work here in his prime age, when he will be more qualified to take decisions on his own.


I wished the government would make it compulsary that all children of PR parents have to also become PR. Will stop people just using the PR option as a long term savings plan.

Just my opinion
:D Well done saint, you win the wooden spoon this week :wink:

Although i don't think it really matters, in fact why shouldn't it be used as a long term saving plan, to move on to paradise, wherever that may be!

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Postby Saint » Fri, 03 Jul 2009 6:32 pm

ksl wrote:
Saint wrote:
deepanshu_s wrote:
will save u the trouble, u can start by writing to me. I TOTALLY FULLY agree with the TS!!

So far throughout this thread u have been discussing NS, just to highlight a fact, NS is only for "MALE" children!!....now my colleague is a PR and has a daughter, he can move back whenever he want and spend his well saved cash in India and his daughter can still come here and apply for job and studies!!...weheras with a boy, I can not do any such thing!!...why such a discremination - i am paying equal taxes, right

My kid is 20 months and i have no intentions to take decision on his behalf...if at age of 13/14 when he understands where he has to stay then he can take his PR or go to India to continue his studies (i personally would prefer him going to India and finish his studies there), not that i have anything against the eductaion here or the NS.

My primary concern is that, singapore being such a wonderful country, we do not want to do anything that will hamper him from coming to study or work here in his prime age, when he will be more qualified to take decisions on his own.


I wished the government would make it compulsary that all children of PR parents have to also become PR. Will stop people just using the PR option as a long term savings plan.

Just my opinion
:D Well done saint, you win the wooden spoon this week :wink:

Although i don't think it really matters, in fact why shouldn't it be used as a long term saving plan, to move on to paradise, wherever that may be!


Just my opinion as I said, didn't really expect many to agree :cool:


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