I don't see it your way. Sorry. All the reasons you mentioned were for your benefit only and none to the country. Applying for PR should indicate an interest in remaining in the country permanently; hence the term permanent resident, not a step up to moving somewhere else as many do or the convenience of remaining here should you lose your job.singaporered wrote:Thanks for all the replies. I am a bit surprised that so many people have strong negative opinions about doing this.
Just my view, I dont see the reason why I should only apply PR if I intend to stay here forever - that is more for citizenship, I suppose. I do plan to stay 3, 5, 10 years or whatever. But things could change, as everything else in life.
Because there is a chance that we might all leave, I dont want to put my sons into complicated situations, hence the questions and advices needed from you all. A few things that I need PR for are to apply a LTSVP for my parents so it is easier for them to stay with us for a few months, dont have to renew EP, easier for my wife to study (surprisingly) or work, and possibly easier to change employers even though I dont have intention to do so now, and I am not worried about getting a new EP, possibly buying HDB flats in future - not yet though. I dont have any intention to apply PR to get financial benefits and I am paying taxes like anyone else.
The problem with this on legal grounds there are things I can't just commit on behalf of another person. If there is a legal precedent anywhere in developed world where multi generational contracts are entered into just with consent of single generation I'm certainly interested. Even in Japan multi generational mortgage does require offspring's' consent. Now in PR case, offspring is not of age to give a consent. Does parent's custodial right extend that far ? Such that the parent can commit his/her offspring to something w/o consent ? Does son inherit father's debts ? What about serving jail time for parent's offenses ? These are just theoretical questions, out of curiosity.sundaymorningstaple wrote:Based on the law it's never been testing in an international court like the Hague. It would be interesting. However, the answer is pretty clear up front if you think about it.
It's a contract willingly entered between a government and an individual where each requires and expect certain things from each other. The government says this is what I require from you if I give to you the PR you want. You say, I want this, so by my accepting PR, I inherit certain obligations which will pass down to my current or future offspring who also will inherit the same protections and benefits and obligations you are giving me.
But legal question is can the parent make a commitment on behalf of the offspring ? It used to be that parent could do that but I think modern legal system did away with offspring bearing consequences for parent's contractual choices. Because that's exactly what you referring to.sundaymorningstaple wrote:Does it really matter? In the final analysis, you can take your son out of Singapore anytime you like. No problem. You just screw up your son's life possibly that all. No problem taking him out of the country. He'll just never be able to return as he'll be a deserter. They won't send the army after him. He will never be able to return to Singapore in the future either, let alone work here. This isn't really a big problem either unless he gets picked up at the airport in the future while in transit (possible).
You really need to look at it from a beneficial perspective instead of a purely negative perception.
What country are you referring to? Singapore has it's own laws. The US doesn't believe in detention without trial (except for theoretical POW's) but the ISA is in full force in Singapore & Malaysia. The US Embassy will tell you that even if you are a US citizen, if you break Singapore laws while here, they cannot and will not do anything.ututu wrote: But legal question is can the parent make a commitment on behalf of the offspring ? It used to be that parent could do that but I think modern legal system did away with offspring bearing consequences for parent's contractual choices. Because that's exactly what you referring to.
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