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Postby aadvark » Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:19 pm

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aadvark wrote:yeah, the forehaed is not a common "ugly" feature, and it's prob not enuff to make a person go "ewww". but it does make a diff to the face tho, which is why a lot of female hollywood celebs augment their foreheads. read an article that "Bree" from desperate housewives overdid it to the pt where it looked a little alien, think it was season 2 or 3.

recently saw pictures of a model in men's health, looked really good from the front, but the profile pix look a bit off becos his forehead sloped very steeply.

i think one of the best times to have a nice forehead is during NS. having a nice forehead is impt if u want to look good with very short hair, and i'm a little tired of needing a fringe to hide my forehead.

here's an article :) http://exploreplasticsurgery.com/category/forehead-recontouring/

lol actually without you even saying that, i always thought bree looked weird; the typical plastic-surgery-overdose hollywood face. My point wasn't really about it not making a difference, but whether that difference is justified. Almost everyone will benefit more from eyes/nose than the forehead.

You sure during NS best time to have nice forehead? All that combat training is going to wreck that forehead implant :o


lol, i meant good time to have a real and nice forehead, prob not an augmented one :D
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Postby ukorientalgirl » Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:47 pm

baybiblu wrote:Hi everyone. I consulted Dr. Pat a few months ago and he told me that my nose has a slight deviation and bends slightly to the right. He told me that he'll be able to straighten the nose bridge for about US$1000 which is only a fraction of the price that the other doctors quoted me.

May I know if anyone has done this procedure with him before and how was the outcome? Upon asking him, he told me that he's not an ENT and not an American & Thai board certified plastic surgeon either and it worries me a little in that aspect.

So far, the photos that Dr. Pat showed me of his nose work are of those who are modifying their nose tip and those who have a curve nose (have a hump on the nose) and it looks pretty good. Unfortunately it's not the nose surgery which he suggested to me.

Thanks in advance :)


Can I ask what the pictures he showed you were like. Were there many alar cases? My main concern is my nostrils and tip, would you say hes quite conservative?

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Postby doveybuzz » Thu, 01 Jan 2009 5:13 pm

aadvark: Thanks for the advice!
I'll book my hotel and i'm excited now!!

Oh, how is your friend now? the one that you accompanied with in December 2008 before you travelled again for your jaw revision.

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Postby boii18 » Thu, 01 Jan 2009 5:33 pm

Just to update on my surgery with tokai since march 2008. I did a complete nose job, lip lift, lip reduction, chin implant, botox. Regd the nose job I am still very thrilled with the result, though the tip can be a little sharper. Am okay with the bridge and tip now, the tip was abit too high in the past but its fine now. Lip lift wise the scars have faded quite alot since the last time I posted. Its less red and there is no pain or tightness at all even in facial expression like smiling. This is a very dangerous procedure I must warn everyone I heard of horror studies online when done with other doctors, with complications like nerve damage, nostril distortion, bigger nose, very bad scarring, etc. It is a procedure I believe everyone shd avoid if possible! Thank god dr pat did a reasonably good job on me i.e. no major complications, subtle improvement, but a little bit of redness on the scar which I think would go away soon. Regd chin implant my scar is healing well, become more flat and has lost its redness. Now just waiting on the flatness. The chin is Good for me though I would actually prefer more projected ( damn! I was wanting less projected a few weeks earlier - thats how swelling would be so dont worry about a little over projection yup ). My lip reduction I am satisfied, reduced around 35% overall. From what I have done in the last 9 months, dr pat is a very kind doctor and he wants the best for his patients, his skill is definitely above average in thailand. everything on my face is starting to fit into the picture. my next and last surgeries are eyes, cheekbone and jaw, done in taiwan

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Postby walkthewalk » Thu, 01 Jan 2009 7:31 pm

Hi Boii 18.. With the chin implant with Dr Pat did you have a choice of sizes and shape i.e button or wing implant..Also how swollen were you after surgery for the chin and approx how long b4 it looked not so noticable. P.s Thanks for all the sharing you have done.. Best wishes for 2009 and your remaining P.S. goals to you and all the forummers. :D
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Postby ukorientalgirl » Fri, 02 Jan 2009 7:13 am

boi18, can I ask, do you think the results of your sharp tip is from the implant or tiplasty? I know thats a bit of a stupid question but I would had thought wth an implant then not alot needs doing to the tip....but i dont know nothing lol!Could you also confirm that you had alar? I keep trying to search the pages but my internet keeps failing!

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Postby natashanovik » Sat, 03 Jan 2009 2:01 am

boii18 wrote:Haven't seen most ops in Yanhee but I think the quality is abit questionable? But probably it depends on the doctor. My idea ( idea only, may not be true ) is that yanhee is a very production-chain hospital which try to improve efficiency and reduce costs at every production chain stage. The surgery will be very fast and minimal work done. I am not sure if best results and quality control are wanted since its a normal production chain most people would want that.. I think that dr pat generally offers far more personalised service, and better results vis-a-vis yanhee, not to mention lower prices.


Hey all,

Thanks to this forum, got to know abt Tokai and in the end decided to head there instead of going to Yanhee. Even though I wanted Rhinoplasty, Alarplasty and Tip-plasty, both docs (Dr. Pat - Tokai and Dr. Virat - Yanhee) told me I needed only the former two procedures. In the end, even though charges at Tokai a wee bit more, I'm glad to say I did it with them, because I had my eyes done at Yanhee quite a few years ago, and I have to agree with boii18 to a certain extent.

Tokai offers more personalised services, whereas Yanhee, it gives me a feeling of a whack and go sorta feel. If you visit Yanhee, on the 4th floor, you'd know what I mean - loads of patients seated at the waiting area - some just out of surgery, some waiting for consult, and then some lady mentioned in this thread or was it the other PS in Bkk thread that she was resting in the ward next to a few other ppl who just came out of surgery?

Prior to the trip, I sent out emails with similar questions to Tokai, Yanhee and Bangmod. Tokai had Dr. Pat replying to me, while Yanhee ding-donged me with 2 of their email coordinators and I never got a reply from the doc himself. I had to send emails to chase the Yanhee coordinator for a reply and well, I rest my case. Bangmod never replied me.

Consultation and the op with Dr. Pat was a breeze, and the nurses were really sweet and attentive! :D I just landed today and it's day 6 after my surgery. Looking dammmmn sexy with bruising ard my eyes and swelling on my nose and cheeks, but its getting better by the day! :)

P.S.Thanks to aadvark and the rest for sharing all the info in these threads!

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Postby aadvark » Sat, 03 Jan 2009 3:13 am

natashanovik wrote:
boii18 wrote:Haven't seen most ops in Yanhee but I think the quality is abit questionable? But probably it depends on the doctor. My idea ( idea only, may not be true ) is that yanhee is a very production-chain hospital which try to improve efficiency and reduce costs at every production chain stage. The surgery will be very fast and minimal work done. I am not sure if best results and quality control are wanted since its a normal production chain most people would want that.. I think that dr pat generally offers far more personalised service, and better results vis-a-vis yanhee, not to mention lower prices.


Hey all,

Thanks to this forum, got to know abt Tokai and in the end decided to head there instead of going to Yanhee. Even though I wanted Rhinoplasty, Alarplasty and Tip-plasty, both docs (Dr. Pat - Tokai and Dr. Virat - Yanhee) told me I needed only the former two procedures. In the end, even though charges at Tokai a wee bit more, I'm glad to say I did it with them, because I had my eyes done at Yanhee quite a few years ago, and I have to agree with boii18 to a certain extent.

Tokai offers more personalised services, whereas Yanhee, it gives me a feeling of a whack and go sorta feel. If you visit Yanhee, on the 4th floor, you'd know what I mean - loads of patients seated at the waiting area - some just out of surgery, some waiting for consult, and then some lady mentioned in this thread or was it the other PS in Bkk thread that she was resting in the ward next to a few other ppl who just came out of surgery?

Prior to the trip, I sent out emails with similar questions to Tokai, Yanhee and Bangmod. Tokai had Dr. Pat replying to me, while Yanhee ding-donged me with 2 of their email coordinators and I never got a reply from the doc himself. I had to send emails to chase the Yanhee coordinator for a reply and well, I rest my case. Bangmod never replied me.

Consultation and the op with Dr. Pat was a breeze, and the nurses were really sweet and attentive! :D I just landed today and it's day 6 after my surgery. Looking dammmmn sexy with bruising ard my eyes and swelling on my nose and cheeks, but its getting better by the day! :)

P.S.Thanks to aadvark and the rest for sharing all the info in these threads!


you're welcome, it was a stroke of luck that i tried out tokai without any recommendation. Boii18 did the most with Dr Pat and shared the most abt Tokai *applaud* :)

Do share ur pix after u heal if u can :)
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Postby boii18 » Sat, 03 Jan 2009 7:03 am

Hey to respond to your queries, I did alarplasty. Hmms I think both rhino and tip contributed to the sharpness though its more attributed to rhino. The tip-plasty work done in the first instant was actually columella strut made of silicone which was removed in second rhinoplasty because I felt I wanted a lower tip. I think tipoplasty was done in the first job to remove nasal tissue. 2nd job done a few mths ago definitely dont have tip i think because it was a closed rhino ( surgery done in the nostril ) To answer walkthewalk, I actually had a kind of implant that resembles the top implant in the picture : http://www.plasticsurgerypractice.com/c ... 6_37_8.jpg

Varius sizes were available and I choose something that was small. I did not really like the big implant because I did not want a broader lower face. It had abit thick sides.. However in surgery dr pat felt that the bigger implant would better suit me and he did the bigger one, but he actually custom-shaved the implant so that it would be paper-thin on the both left and right extreme corners of the implant which I felt is important if you want the sharp look. Hmms, I would think this type of implant is the better one as it provide a much more natural and streamlined look, blending well with the jawline. :)
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Postby boii18 » Sat, 03 Jan 2009 7:03 am

natashanovik Glad that you did your nose with tokai and rest assured everything will go very smoothly. Its okay do contribute us with your stunning pictures afterwards! ( can censor the rest of the face )

Definitely, tokai clinic is a very relaxing place to be in compared to the rushy atmosphere at yanhee. The most memorable thing is surely the staff there. The nurses are extremely nice and the little actions they take, they really make me addicted to the charm of the clinic. You know one nurse actually stayed with me overnight for no extra cost because I was alone in bkk and had major work done simultaneously in one surgery. Her name was "Bee". Another one "Pom" is very emphatic to my situation and even teared when in surgery with me. I would swear on the nurses sincerity at wanting the best and even to the extent of empathy which goes beyond the professional call of duty.

DR pat is very caring and he is buddhist and follow their customs so I guess it speaks enough. He is also very funny at times and somehow can get along with him. He will listen to your concerns and queries. It is not rushed in the clinic, in fact it is me trying to rush as I was afraid I would be asking too much or spending too much time! dr pat is willing to sit down with me and explain clearly in my first consultation with him. the rest, i actually put my trust in him to do the good job, haha 8-)

I think that care has to go both way. Patient must be understanding and trustful and aware of the limitations and/or possible risks and work with the PS even through revision unles there is significant evidence to proof otherwise. This is the only way to get the best outcome. Thanks to the extra care taken during surgery as compared to yanhee, I think I have better results. My first nose job which included tipo took 3 hours! Yanhee's took less than an hour with just insertion of implant.

THe last 2 visits I bought donuts for them to thank them for their care. But didnt know dr pat dont eat fried food, haha!

My friend is doing surgery in tokai clinic soon and I will definitely be visiting the clinic again for non-surgical procedure and catch up on the doc and nurses there.

Just food for thought. When doing a piece of art, which would get the best result... a good artist pressured to complete tasks in as short time as possible but as good as he can and probably has lost his skill due to all this rushing, or another good artist who takes personal time to provide the final finishing touches to the work? Definitely not saying dr pat spends so much time with you, but definitely I feel that enough time would be given to address your concerns and adequate time to provide a good surgical result.

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Postby Breeoei » Sat, 03 Jan 2009 8:23 pm

boii18 wrote:
baybiblu wrote:Hi everyone. I consulted Dr. Pat a few months ago and he told me that my nose has a slight deviation and bends slightly to the right. He told me that he'll be able to straighten the nose bridge for about US$1000 which is only a fraction of the price that the other doctors quoted me.

May I know if anyone has done this procedure with him before and how was the outcome? Upon asking him, he told me that he's not an ENT and not an American & Thai board certified plastic surgeon either and it worries me a little in that aspect.

So far, the photos that Dr. Pat showed me of his nose work are of those who are modifying their nose tip and those who have a curve nose (have a hump on the nose) and it looks pretty good. Unfortunately it's not the nose surgery which he suggested to me.

Thanks in advance :)


He is actually thai-board certified. I believe you read an old forum post, which was posted before he posted up his board-certification when pple confused about his qualifications :)

Board certification in Thailand, which is most important since he pass all the qualifying tests ( ENT ) : http://www.tokaiclinic.com/clinic/displ ... d=credit26

In America ( though this is not the main governmental board ) : http://www.tokaiclinic.com/clinic/displ ... d=credit23


Why does Dr. Pat's name differ from his certificate?
BREE

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Postby walkthewalk » Sat, 03 Jan 2009 8:52 pm

Hi Boii 18. Thanks for your reply so helpful.. Also the reply you gave to natashanovik was a great in-sight to Dr Pat his staff and surgery it gives me a true great feel for the clinic and Dr Pat..

Best wishs to all for 2009
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Postby boii18 » Sun, 04 Jan 2009 7:48 am

walkthewalk wrote:Hi Boii 18. Thanks for your reply so helpful.. Also the reply you gave to natashanovik was a great in-sight to Dr Pat his staff and surgery it gives me a true great feel for the clinic and Dr Pat..

Best wishs to all for 2009


Np, i wouldnt say that dr pat is good for all surgeries but i do know for a fact that he is good in nose, chin, chin implant, lip lift, lip reduction. i also heard great story on cozycot about his liposuction being good on arms and tummy area, and i think aadvark can vouch for his lipo skills too. quite afew forumers also did nose with him but i have lost contact with them. my friend is going for a BA there and i think hes good at it since i always see thai girl go in for BA at tokai. bone shaving surgeries are relatively more major and i dont think he has alot of exp. he has however done 30 cases of jaw surgery he told me

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Postby boii18 » Sun, 04 Jan 2009 7:49 am

Breeoei wrote:
boii18 wrote:
baybiblu wrote:Hi everyone. I consulted Dr. Pat a few months ago and he told me that my nose has a slight deviation and bends slightly to the right. He told me that he'll be able to straighten the nose bridge for about US$1000 which is only a fraction of the price that the other doctors quoted me.

May I know if anyone has done this procedure with him before and how was the outcome? Upon asking him, he told me that he's not an ENT and not an American & Thai board certified plastic surgeon either and it worries me a little in that aspect.

So far, the photos that Dr. Pat showed me of his nose work are of those who are modifying their nose tip and those who have a curve nose (have a hump on the nose) and it looks pretty good. Unfortunately it's not the nose surgery which he suggested to me.

Thanks in advance :)


He is actually thai-board certified. I believe you read an old forum post, which was posted before he posted up his board-certification when pple confused about his qualifications :)

Board certification in Thailand, which is most important since he pass all the qualifying tests ( ENT ) : http://www.tokaiclinic.com/clinic/displ ... d=credit26

In America ( though this is not the main governmental board ) : http://www.tokaiclinic.com/clinic/displ ... d=credit23


Why does Dr. Pat's name differ from his certificate?


the 1st one is his name in full
the 2nd one is his name too, i think his old name . HTHs 8-)

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Postby baybiblu » Sun, 04 Jan 2009 8:10 am

boii18 wrote:
baybiblu wrote:Hi everyone. I consulted Dr. Pat a few months ago and he told me that my nose has a slight deviation and bends slightly to the right. He told me that he'll be able to straighten the nose bridge for about US$1000 which is only a fraction of the price that the other doctors quoted me.

May I know if anyone has done this procedure with him before and how was the outcome? Upon asking him, he told me that he's not an ENT and not an American & Thai board certified plastic surgeon either and it worries me a little in that aspect.

So far, the photos that Dr. Pat showed me of his nose work are of those who are modifying their nose tip and those who have a curve nose (have a hump on the nose) and it looks pretty good. Unfortunately it's not the nose surgery which he suggested to me.

Thanks in advance :)


He is actually thai-board certified. I believe you read an old forum post, which was posted before he posted up his board-certification when pple confused about his qualifications :)

Board certification in Thailand, which is most important since he pass all the qualifying tests ( ENT ) : http://www.tokaiclinic.com/clinic/displ ... d=credit26

In America ( though this is not the main governmental board ) : http://www.tokaiclinic.com/clinic/displ ... d=credit23


Oh, I saw 1 of the post about him not being a certified cosmetic surgeon and personally asked him about this issue when I consulted him and he told me that he wasn't a Thai and American board certified cosmetic surgeon... But during the consult, I did find him to be a very nice & friendly doctor.

Maybe someone can help us to check with him about this the next time he/she is consulting Dr. Pat?
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