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Postby Baglovers » Fri, 07 Nov 2008 9:44 am

If the company choose you in the first place, they should have prepared for all these delays?

They will ask for PR or Singaporean if they need immediate candidate as all the work pass will take at least 2 weeks or more to be approved.

If what you need is only a permit to stay, can try EPEC, but I'm not sure if you still can apply it after your EP got rejected. :)

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Postby calvink » Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:14 am

Yeah...they shouldnt have to wait for me. Just hire a local or PR and by the time i come in, i should be able to get the gise of the whole project. HR should know this. It does happen when a candidate is in the midst of waiting for appeal status and the employer rejected it cause the waiting time is too long. And some have commence work while awaiting their permit to be approve which is damn risky and dangerous if get caught. I believe landlord would need me to show a permit before renting a room to foreigner isnt it?

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Postby banker » Fri, 07 Nov 2008 7:36 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Lots of jobs are Temporary 3 or 6 month contract positions. And lots of them are foreigners filling them. How do you think all the expat/foreign engineers who work on job sites get there? Not all projects are several years long. Could be a team just doing the design work. I once imported a whole team of Specialist Cad designers who used a software not found here in Singapore at that time who came in to do the design & clash checking for one of our Refinery players here.

Banks often used temporary Indian & Filippino programmers as well for short term projects (unfortunately they all still are required to get a Working visa of some sort for even short term work.

Work without a permit? No way.


The banks hire temp staff through agencies (e.g. Kelly Services/Robert Walters). At times these agencies willing to sponsor the EP if they are not able find local people.

The programmers mostly having an EP with IT consulting/outsource companies (EPS, AIT, Optimum etc). These companies sponsor the visa and place at client's project. Once the assignment over the staff will be redeployed in another project.

Hiring temp staff directly is diminishing as the businesses find hiring them through agency is more convinient.
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 07 Nov 2008 9:52 pm

banker, that's exactly what I was talking about. Had you been around long enough you would have noticed that I was a headhunter for the better part of 15 years and still have my own business that I work as well as functioning as the fulltime HR & Finance Manager of a Medium SME here. When I was still working full time in the recruitment sector, we had whole teams of programmers from the Philippines that we staffed banking short term contracts with. Same with Indian & Filippino Draftsmen and Instrument Engineers. These were usually Temped out to the Construction or Petro/Chem sectors. Some were here 3 months, some 3 years. But all on renewable 3 or 6 months contracts with us.

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Postby laraharp » Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:19 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Rejected usually means improperly filled out on incomplete. Unsuccessful means just that.


I just asked MOM. She of course could not answer my question regarding if there is any difference between unsuccessful and rejected.

I believe that we(me and the employer applied online, me sitting next to him, filling out the form together)filled all the mandatory fields were needed. However no documents needed for online application, MOM rejected me on the same day we applied.
I call them, they say to file an appeal with all the supporting documents and the company's letter.

I start to believe that Singapore govmt likes to do the paperwork. Why can't they ask for supporting documents during the application? And if that is not enough then reject it?
And why is it that they do not provide any information on why I have been rejected? If I do not have the proper qualifications, related working experience, etc. I won't be able to provide it any time - so there is no meaning of holding back such infos like
"It has been rejected because of not enough related working experience/improper qualifications/etc" (Btw. my Uni is among the approved, I have 3 years relevant experience, 8 years close-to-relevant experience and I still had been rejected...what the hell is going on here?)

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:06 pm

laraharp wrote:I believe that we(me and the employer applied online, me sitting next to him, filling out the form together)filled all the mandatory fields were needed. However no documents needed for online application, MOM rejected me on the same day we applied.
I call them, they say to file an appeal with all the supporting documents and the company's letter.

So far proper procedure.

I start to believe that Singapore govmt likes to do the paperwork. Why can't they ask for supporting documents during the application? And if that is not enough then reject it?

Why should the ask for all the paperwork if it's not needed? They only ask if there is a reason to ask (those reasons are only privy to the inner workings of MOM and not to mere mortals like all of us!
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And why is it that they do not provide any information on why I have been rejected?

There is a very good reason for this if you will but think about it for a while from a non-personal POV. If they alway tell you what the reasons are, sooner or later people will be fabricating the necessary documentation for submission. It's already happened several times in recent years. (from counterfeiters - fake degrees, etc). Therefore MOM holds their cards close to their chest as well they should.

If I do not have the proper qualifications, related working experience, etc. I won't be able to provide it any time - so there is no meaning of holding back such infos like
"It has been rejected because of not enough related working experience/improper qualifications/etc" (Btw. my Uni is among the approved, I have 3 years relevant experience, 8 years close-to-relevant experience and I still had been rejected...what the hell is going on here?)

While you University is an approved institution, is your degree one of the approved degrees? Not all degrees from a given institution are approved degrees. It may be an approved degree or it could be for some other reason. Generally your documents must not look fabricated or dodgy (Most degees I've see from Myanmar tend to look that way - not saying that they are however - in case there are any Burmese reading these threads ;) )


Anyway, all you can do is follow the lead as it is given to you. Or, you can pack your bags and go home - which I doubt very seriously is what you want to do. Whatever you do, keep your cool when you meet up with the officer at MOM. Your future depends on it. Don't go off on a rant like you do here (that's fine here :wink: ) else you could really find yourself on the short end of the rope without a knot. Good Luck.

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Postby laraharp » Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:24 am

Anyway, all you can do is follow the lead as it is given to you. Or, you can pack your bags and go home - which I doubt very seriously is what you want to do. Whatever you do, keep your cool when you meet up with the officer at MOM. Your future depends on it. Don't go off on a rant like you do here (that's fine here :wink: ) else you could really find yourself on the short end of the rope without a knot. Good Luck.

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Thanks for the answer anyway:)

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Postby hendra_ahg » Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:23 pm

hi guys, i'm new in this forum.

I have the same problem when my EP got rejected.
My agencies is kelly services, they applying an EP under my passport no.
But after waiting for several days, they told me that there's already another EP application under my passport no.

And after doing some digging and chats with MOM staff, they let me know that the one whose applying the EP is kelly it self. But with different name written on my passport.

I cross check with kelly, they said that there is a mistake from MOM system, as they admit they haven't apply my EP yet.

Kelly told me that they have write a letter to MOM to rectify this issue.
What i want to know is if there's any chance i can get the EP after this problem?

if anyone could help me with information I would be grateful


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