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Post by daytripper65 » Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:01 pm

Hi,

I'd like to offer our experience with the Chinese International School as well as ask for information about other suitable schools, particularly the Anglo-Chinese. I've been weeding through the threads but have not found anything about the Anglo-Chinese.

We initially wanted to enroll them (ages 9 and 6) into UWC, but in light of the waiting list considered the OFS, EMAAR (sp?), and ultimately the one we chose, CNIS.

We chose CNIS primarily because of the strong mandarin curriculum, yearly exchange program with the sister school in Beijing, and the strong emphasis on Eastern philosophy, however, we are beginning to regret this choice. Bear in mind that this is only the first week of school, so we speak from limited experience and things may (hopefully) improve, and also it is a new school (in their third year), but the things that have put us off so far are:

1) Turnover. Since last year, the principal left quite abruptly, which we were not informed of until we showed up to speak with him. The main administrative contact also hit the road, which they actually seemed to try and hide until we insisted on speaking with SOMEBODY. The replacement was polite, but had no idea what was going on.

2) Obstacles. Upon trying to meet with the principal to express our concern, we were discouraged and questioned more than I found appropriate as to why we wanted to see him, he was quite busy, etc.

3) Disorganization. I had to ask (many times) exactly what information we needed to bring from the States (transcripts, health record, etc.) and exactly what criteria they had for admissions, but was given vague and elusive answers that boiled down to needing nothing at all.

4) No communication. After asking several times for information about the first day of school: schedules, drop-off and pick up info., teacher names, room location, supplies, etc, the new girl finally told me a packet was just sent off (5 days before school began, which I never received). She finally told me what time to arrive on the first day, but everything else was fuzzy, except that parents could/should? stay for what I assumed was an orientation or welcoming ceremony of some sort, but that at the least I would meet their teachers on that day.

5) Day one: We arrive 20 minutes early, along with the other 60 or so primary students from grades 1-5, who are sitting in rows according to grade. All parents are present, the moms look nice, the dads are in suits ready to buzz off to work after what is sure to be a welcoming ceremony of some sort... but after half an hour of just standing there, some lady, apparently a teacher, announces directly to the children that they are now going to follow "their teacher" back to the classroom. And that was it. Parents were left standing there looking at each other, puzzled. Many of them started approaching the apparent teachers who were trying to shuffle the kids out at that point, creating a sense of chaos. I kept an eye on my first grader, who got separated from the fragmented group at some point and started looking around desperately, so I ran back and took him to where I was shown was the 1st grade rooms, only to find they had a last minute change and moved upstairs, only to find everyone already sitting on the floor. :x Then the teacher asks him "Are you in section A or B?" I was appalled. Despite my efforts, I had NO information whatsoever who his teacher was or where he belonged. What's worse was that it turns out that his teacher is not due to arrive until "mid September sometime," so this lady, who was making a fuss about the section, is handling ALL of the P1 children right now.

Bottom line is that it was an utterly chaotic, unprofessional, and uninviting first day. In addition to my first grader having no teacher, we just found out there is no music teacher and no PE teacher, which may be why they have been dodging my requests for a timetable of their day.

Now, we are not the type of parents that fuss about much, and we understand there are wrinkles to be ironed out with new schools, but this seems absolutely unacceptable to me, and even to my husband, who pretty much insists on things being rather "messy" and "no frills."

I feel pretty crappy about the whole thing because my older son has been shuffled around quite a bit, and I did not want to put him into a holding area somewhere to wait for the right place. I'm fuming with myself because I finally found a good fit in a school he was thriving in for only 2 years in the States. He has some learning difficulties so it was not an easy decision to take him out and make this move, but in any case I am trying to decide what to do at this point.

Transferring to the SAS seems like the best strategy to me, but one that I don't even know will be possible as early as next year. My husband was initially very keen to pursue SAS, but keeps hearing other happy stories about other schools from his colleagues, and now wants to consider the Anglo-Chinese school and local schools.

I have a hunch how this is going to play out, but I'd like to ask what, if any information anyone might have about the Anglo-Chinese school.

Thanks much.
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Post by road.not.taken » Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:31 pm

Wow, what a story. It's hard to move here in the first place, but then when school just isn't right -- it really is tough on everybody. I have a few friends that transfered from Anglo-Chinese to SAS and OFS. It was the school culture as you described that made them switch, not the education. My kids are all happy at the American school and though it's not perfect, the specific things you mentioned are not of concern there. I can tell you that for all schools there is a teacher shortage, especially in the International Schools where new hires are younger and less experienced. Qualified substitutes are especially hard to find across the board.

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Post by daytripper65 » Wed, 03 Sep 2008 1:34 pm

Thanks for the reply. It turns out I was searching too specifically and when I looked under "ACS" I did find some info :P ,which raised the more hashed out topic of international vs. local schools, which was informative.

Do you know if there is there a sibling discount at SAS?
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Post by road.not.taken » Wed, 03 Sep 2008 1:52 pm

Our company pays so I never see a bill, but I don't believe there is.

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Post by Forks » Wed, 03 Sep 2008 9:37 pm

The Chinese International School is on other threads here (I forget where but I think it was one about the American school and another one) but others have mentioned things similar to yours, it seems to get its fair share of bad press.
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Other parent's experience at CNIS

Post by annegg » Thu, 04 Sep 2008 3:29 pm

I'm so sorry to hear that your child's first day of school was so difficult. Unfortunately, this lack of organization seems to be a persistent problem at CNIS. I posted the following comments when we withdrew our children in July.

http://www.singaporeexpats.com/forum/ft ... 4a093b5243

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Post by madura » Sun, 07 Sep 2008 1:27 pm

daytripper65 wrote: I have a hunch how this is going to play out, but I'd like to ask what, if any information anyone might have about the Anglo-Chinese school.
Question: Why Anglo chinese school specifically? Is it due to distance? All I can say is that admissions wouldn't be a breeze.

Otherwise... you can consider SJI international too.

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Post by Blue Sapphire » Tue, 09 Sep 2008 1:27 pm

Im also looking for any info on the Anglo-Chinese school. They seem to have such a nice looking campus which I happen to see briefly when we were passing by from a visit to UWC. My husband liked ACS by just the look of it, however I wasnt very keen as it sounded like a chinese school and we arent chinese. But if I'm wrong I would like know and maybe consider the place for a visit. We visited a few International Schools and havent found any school we like so far.

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Post by madura » Tue, 07 Oct 2008 6:57 pm

Blue Sapphire wrote:Im also looking for any info on the Anglo-Chinese school. They seem to have such a nice looking campus which I happen to see briefly when we were passing by from a visit to UWC. My husband liked ACS by just the look of it, however I wasnt very keen as it sounded like a chinese school and we arent chinese. But if I'm wrong I would like know and maybe consider the place for a visit. We visited a few International Schools and havent found any school we like so far.
which ACS are you refering to? the local or international section? I'm not too sure if the international section has an elemetary school.
I don't think there is anything specifically too "chinese" about ACS.

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Post by Blue Sapphire » Tue, 07 Oct 2008 7:17 pm

madura wrote:
Blue Sapphire wrote:Im also looking for any info on the Anglo-Chinese school. They seem to have such a nice looking campus which I happen to see briefly when we were passing by from a visit to UWC. My husband liked ACS by just the look of it, however I wasnt very keen as it sounded like a chinese school and we arent chinese. But if I'm wrong I would like know and maybe consider the place for a visit. We visited a few International Schools and havent found any school we like so far.
which ACS are you refering to? the local or international section? I'm not too sure if the international section has an elemetary school.
I don't think there is anything specifically too "chinese" about ACS.
I'm referring to the one near UWC. I really have no clue about the school. Didnt know they had a local/ international section. I dont really mind either as long as its a good school with nice facilities etc.

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Post by here_i_am » Tue, 07 Oct 2008 8:01 pm

There are several ACS schools, they are all affiliated with each other.

ACS International = International School
ACS Independent + ACS etc... = local schools

I would recommend for you to check out Saint Joseph International School, Overseas Family School, or Chatsworth because you mentioned about some special needs. My friends just landed here this year and got a slot easily in Australian IS bec they have a new bigger campus, but I guess that may depend on the year level.

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Post by madura » Sun, 12 Oct 2008 2:40 am

Blue Sapphire wrote:I'm referring to the one near UWC. I really have no clue about the school. Didnt know they had a local/ international section. I dont really mind either as long as its a good school with nice facilities etc.
ACS Independent is near UWC. ACS International is near Holland Village.
ACS Independent has excellent facilities, thanks to very generous donors from its affiliated church and wealthy alumni. It is a local boys high school and the first graduating batch of IB students performed well.

I'm unsure whether the same standards exist for ACS International, but if you are looking for a high school, I reckon it is worth a consideration. If you are looking for an elementary school, there is SJI International.

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Post by taxico » Sun, 12 Oct 2008 9:09 am

a long time ago, i was transferred by my parents from an International School into ACS Independent aka ACS(I).

it's awesome like you wouldn't believe. it's not easy to make it in, but if your child gets admitted, i would recommend it (not just because i went there).

it's more "anglo" than "chinese" at ACS(I), a methodist school, and the boys get a good all-round education; strong in sports, good at school work and superb extra-curricular activities and opportunities.

it's also an independent school which means there's plenty of flexibility in the curriculum, teaching methods and the teachers are recruited directly by the school (of much better quality) - but the fees are higher.

its affliated primary schools are ACJS (Anglo-Chinese Junior School) and ACPS (Anglo-Chinese Primary School).

there's also ACS (Barker Road) which is a slightly less prestigious secondary school as it's a government-aided school (teachers are on government pay roll as they are posted there by the education ministry) - lower fees.

none of them are International Schools, but all have international students.

i have no experience with ACS International as it was a later addition and i wasn't around, but you can't go too wrong with ACS(I) and i say that only because boys will be boys...

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Chinese International not ACS-Different schools

Post by kaurikid » Fri, 14 Nov 2008 4:07 pm

The first post is is about Chinese International formally Chinese Unite!!!
Totally different ball game than ACS group of schools which are old group of Singapore Methodist Schools with 6 different schools.
They are well organised schools with qualified teachers, full ECA and curriculum.

ACSI Independant) and ACS(international) both offer Secondary Education and the IB Diploma.

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Post by studypro » Sat, 15 Nov 2008 3:56 am

I am sorry to hear about your bad experience at Chinese United.

Well, ACS International does not have an elementary school. From your children's age, I believe they should be going to the junior schools or primary school. You may try ACS Junior or SJI. It is difficult to enter our local schools as they have to take the AEIS or PACT & QT first.

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