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Opening Ceremony

Postby Bafana » Sat, 09 Aug 2008 8:38 am

Congratulations to China and the broader Chinese community on the Opening Ceremony - Well done.

One thing that did bother me was that the Organizing Committee is promoting one world in peace, etc, etc but whenever they raised a flag they had goose stepping soldiers doing it which also sent the message that the China Govt is a bad ass nation who doesn't care about what people say and the govt is in control.

(That's the way I felt it every time I watched it).

The other thing was seeing all those children in fascist salute stance durign the Chinese National Anthem.

In some ways the whole thign reminded me of the Germans just before World War II.

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Postby ScoobyDoes » Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:47 am

Military personnel are usually the only people that really know how to put a flag on a pole and hoist it properly.

The fact is it looks like the OC picked the very best guard to handle the flags. The way they walk is the way they walk, it's more fake to change it all so to respect the representation of the flags the way they did also shows class.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:34 pm

I know where Baf is coming from. I grew up in a post WWII era have been born 2 years after the finish of the war in '47. My early childhood was filled with goose stepping nazi's filling the post-war documentaries and later in the late 50's & early '60's with the goose-stepping russians. I guess it's as hang-up from a western NATO perspective that goose-stepping always depicts a communist, socialist or other somehow repugnant style of government (in our eyes). I also have the same problem whenever I see military doing the goose-step. It's like, for me anyway, it represents "the evil empire". I know it's wrong, but ingrained belief's sometimes are hard to overcome.

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Postby ScoobyDoes » Sat, 09 Aug 2008 1:17 pm

I do understand that...... but also, times do change.

There was a nice comment on the BBC forum about somebody from China and the army being used in the ceremony. Given the support the PLA give in situations like the recent earthquake and winter floods they are viewed completely differently.

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Postby Bafana » Mon, 11 Aug 2008 3:30 pm

Don't believe the PLA are viewed any different from anyone else when they do a good job but they also got a lot of bad press as well - Tanks, students, etc.

Just made me nervous that's all.

Like history repeating itself.
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Postby micknlea » Mon, 11 Aug 2008 5:13 pm

But if that is the way their soldiers march then that is the way they march. Why on earth would they change it?

Plenty of armies do that type of march (as stupid as it looks :roll: )

Personally it didn't make me think of anything like that at all. Just soldiers putting up a flag. :?
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Postby andy21 » Tue, 12 Aug 2008 4:56 pm

I totally agree with the Chinese government's stance that the Olympic Games should not be used as a political tool.

For that reason, they should never have been allowed to host the games.

Mindyou, I have a lot of respect for how they are managing to run their country with all it's problems (our great leader genuinely believes he has a lot to teach them, ironically).

They can hardly be compared with the Nazis, but no mistake about it, their motivation for hosting the games is exactly the same though.

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Postby durain » Tue, 12 Aug 2008 6:40 pm

just watched the openning on BBC iPlayer. what an excellent openning. the BBC (sue barker) got it wrong when malaysia was coming out and she said their leader was LKY! oops!

p/s nice to see the kids has respect and proud of their country.

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Postby Saint » Tue, 12 Aug 2008 9:20 pm

[quote=""]A pretty girl who won national fame after singing at the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games was only miming.

Wearing a red dress and pigtails, Lin Miaoke charmed a worldwide audience with a rendition of “Ode to the Motherland”

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Postby durain » Tue, 12 Aug 2008 9:28 pm

so for all you know, maybe sarah brightman was miming too!!! it was someone else voice!

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Postby Saint » Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:40 pm

durain wrote:so for all you know, maybe sarah brightman was miming too!!! it was someone else voice!


But I don't think putting Sarah Brightman on TV is "putting our Country's interest first" :o :lol:

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Postby ScoobyDoes » Wed, 13 Aug 2008 2:24 pm

Whilst i thought using computer graphics for the footprints was a good idea to get the best pictures, the soldiers for raising the flags was okay because they are the most professional and respectful of them i do think replacing the girl that actually sang the song with a more photogenic one was a mistake.

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Postby earthfriendly » Wed, 13 Aug 2008 4:28 pm

I am not a fan of big elaborate show and find it difficult to sit thru Cirque du soliel performance. However I do have an appreciation of all the hard work, effort and discipline put into it. I can say the same of the opening ceremony. But I find it riveting due to the scale and sheer magnitude. My fav is the fireworks and the duet theme song. The male vocalist has such a powerful and yet comforting voice. I feel like I can just rest my head on his chest and all the problems of the world would go away :oops:. Fireworks have always captured my imagination, even as a kid. There is something very magical about lifting my head up and see the dark sky lit up by millions of sparkles.

I have mixed feelings about replacing the young singer in the name of "national interest". They mention about her crooked teeth. Guess what? Moi has crooked teeth :cry: . But it has never made me felt like I misrepresented or dishonored my country :P . And beauty is in the eye of beholder. I had the chance to get it straightened as a kid but I refused. I did not want to burden my parents with the expense and was not interested in going thru the pain. That was one of the best decision I ever made in my life. I later found out that it was a magnet to Japanese men who complimented on my aebah (wrong spelling?) :P . Having a crooked canine is considered beautiful in their culture and many pop stars would have one. It made me felt so glamourous :P .

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Postby sillingw » Wed, 13 Aug 2008 5:02 pm

What I found most disturbing about the little girl episode, is that the Politburo were involved in the decision (CNN News) I really hope the supposedly photogenic one does not turn out to be a political leaders grandchild.......

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Postby earthfriendly » Wed, 13 Aug 2008 5:04 pm

andy21 wrote:I totally agree with the Chinese government's stance that the Olympic Games should not be used as a political tool.

For that reason, they should never have been allowed to host the games.



Part of me question the wisdom of blowing such a large sum on a single event rather than fighting poverty and domestic problems. However, this is much needed for the chinese. The country is loosely held together given the diversity and magnitude of the issues facing the govt. It is a way to bring the country together to work towards a common goal and move into the world community and into the 21st century. It will help to boost their morale. Unlike you and me, mainland chinese have a strong sense of history, of where they had been and where should they be headed. That’s what happens when you live in an ancient land? Many still remember the pain of foreign invasions and bombardment and china’s inability to protect its own, resulting in a closed door policy. The country withdrew into itself and refused to have anything to do with the outside world. Olympics is a way for them to reach out and they hope to be recognized by the world. They have a lot at stake.

The whole country was anxious and excited about the olympics. They could not understand why the rest of the world did not share their enthusiasm as evidenced by the problematic torch relay. Such mentality may sound alien to most of us but China fell out of the world’s radar and it would take time for them to learn about the rest of the world and get in sync and think like us. And I told my chinese friend, sometimes, it is hard to like china when its factories produced leaded food, toys and other unsafe products. She agreed China has all these unsurmontable problems but aside from it, China is so much more and does not understand why the media focus so narrowly on its negatives. She attended the San Francisco torch relay and the media placed its attention mostly on the protestors which made up 5 % while most of the rest were supporter waving the red flags. Personally, I think that’s what most media do. It may be a case that squeeky wheel gets the attention. And the chinese need to learn to come to terms with that.

I think we should engage them and give them a chance to live like the rest of us. To be free from the baggage of their ancestors. One's past and ancestral link is very much part of the chinese psychic as evidenced by ancestor worship.

Following quote is taken from nbc website
http://www.nbcolympics.com/destinationb ... 21835.html

Dr. Bell and others fear that if a majority of people here believe that China is being ganged up on by the rest of the world it could undermine the advancements.
"If that happens, we will see the ugly side - triumphalism and xenophobic nationalism," says Dr. Bell. "The government itself is trying to curb that and get back to projecting a soft power and I expect that to show more and more."


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