Cote d'Azure - Security Guard

[quidsin]

Seems there is always somebody like you who cannot consider a few simple facts and must be right no matter what the truth actually is or was!

That's exactly the response I was expecting. Don't tell me, your the UN's ambassador for Equal Rights in Singapore?

[Plavt]

And Plavt - don't warn me about my level of wit

You were using foul language which is was unjustified and I am quite entitled to, you might care to notice that neither Mr V or anybody else has sworn at you. As I said before have at a look at Vaucluse's posting history instead of arguing with every post that appears, it is only a website and you are free to walk away!

[Plavt]

That's exactly the response I was expecting. Don't tell me, your the UN's ambassador for Equal Rights in Singapore?

Oh dear, don't want to seperate fact from fiction, sooner listen to hearsay than the truth. Have a nice day.

[EastCoastFun]

EastCoastFun

I happened to be there on Monday night and witnessed your sorry episode. Luckily for you and everyone else on this forum, I can give an exact account of what I and other residents saw and it differs somewhat from yours.

What I witnessed was an extremely arrogant and aggressive person abusing another person for doing his job. Do you remember shouting down the guys throat and pointing your finger and hands in his face, and transferring your saliva in the process? And what did the guy do? Took it all in his stride and fulfilled his duties in the most admirable fashion without any counter aggression.

I have never witnessed such an ABUSIVE, THREATENING and INTIMIDATING verbal attack on another person such as I witnessed on Monday night.

You may have noticed that there were many people gathered around the entrance to Cote D'Azur whilst this was happening. You should have known that you over stepped the mark and were completely in the wrong when the crowed were heckling you and telling you to go away with 'we don't want you living here'.

Your lucky the police didn't arrive whilst you were still there because you would have been arrested on the spot without doubt, considering the amount of witnesses.

I admire your wife’s bravery for returning the next day to make a complaint to the management office. As such, I've been rounding up residents who were there that night to give our statement of events and our 100% backing to our security guard for doing an A1 job under the abuse you delivered.

Quote:
'The 'all Europeans are babies' part wasn't as bad as the 'shoo, away with you'. We were totally embarrassed by this. Really, we'd showered and everything so we weren't unclean or dodgy looking'.

I would say that you are unclean, in the sense of the verbal abuse you dished out. So maybe before leaving your house and office, you should consider showering your mouth because what I witnessed coming out of it was utterly disgusting.

I think it would be decent a thing if you could admit to yourself that these were the facts of the event. You could then make your way down to Cote D'Azur to apologize to our security guard for doing his job properly.

Wow - I'm really sorry that you think that way. If nothing, it shows that you weren't there for 90% of the situation.

I did not want to get to personal on what else the security guard said and did regarding my wife but the little yelling I did was his comment I put before and some very direct insults to my wife.

You don't know what happend there mate. I'm not trying to be rude but you must have come in at the wrong time. Did you see us parked inside the complex to the left of the wall near the parking area? Did you see us leave and return to the complex after being told to come in? Or did you come in at the very end when I was next to the secuirty box taking my wife back because she was so upset with what he had said and done? This is a great example of not enough information and coming to the wrong conclusion.

We left to avoid it getting worse. Our agent volunteerd to stay so that when the police came we would be readily available. The police rebuked the guard and not us. They seem to favor us in the matter. We were not a few blocks off just in case we were needed back but the police said no, that the issue started with and ended with the guard.

I don't know why you have such an opinion of what happened when didn't see or hear what was going on but it's just not the case.

[Vaucluse]

Seems there is always somebody like you who cannot consider a few simple facts and must be right no matter what the truth actually is or was!

That's exactly the response I was expecting. Don't tell me, your the UN's ambassador for Equal Rights in Singapore?

Plavt has a higher standing than that, plus he is the Air Hostess pin-up boy, so beware your next flights . . .

[EastCoastFun]

Quote:
'The 'all Europeans are babies' part wasn't as bad as the 'shoo, away with you'. We were totally embarrassed by this. Really, we'd showered and everything so we weren't unclean or dodgy looking'.

I would say that you are unclean, in the sense of the verbal abuse you dished out. So maybe before leaving your house and office, you should consider showering your mouth because what I witnessed coming out of it was utterly disgusting.

-- I just reread your post in more detail - I replied so quickly w/o reading it in detail becuase I was so suprised by your view of the situation. But, your sentence above tells me you didn't hear a thing being said.

The worst adjective I used was "jerk". I did not swear at all. I did not refer to anything other than the situation. My strongest statement to the guard was that he was 'being absolutely rude and owed my wife an apology'. Still, I didn't swear or belittle him whatsoever. If you were there close enough, think it through and try to remember what was really being said. I think the other security guards would back me on this as they were right there.

We were there for probably 40 minutes. In the beginning, things were civil. The gaurd said we needed one ID per car and we didn't have that. That's why we called our agent who was already waiting for us inside. Our problem was that if had driven, it wouldn't count so we needed to wait to see if he had. He hadn't. We were parked inside to the left of the driveway. It wasn't until the agent and the gaurd started arguing that things went wrong. I got out of the car and went back to the gaurd house to try to help. I don't think anyone was around at that point.

It wasn't until I had got back into the car (my wife at that point had gotten out as well to try to figure out what the big deal was) and drove out of the complex and back in. By the time I got back it was a heated argument between the agent, my wife, and the gaurd. Still there was no one else around.

It wasn't until later after cars started piling up behind us that someone finally came forward and asked me to move my car out of the way. I actually asked the driver to talk to the gaurd. (This is the guy I owe the apology to if anyone, as it wasn't his fault and he was also inconvenienced.) At this point if you were there and would have stepped forward you could have helped arbitrate! Hey, come back with some IDs, I don't know the guards issue. Or, to the gaurd, hey let these guys in, what's the deal, why doesn't the agent's ID count?

Then I moved my car forward but right next to the gate to let the cars go through. Were you there then? We pleaded with the gaurd for at least another 5 or so minutes stressing that we had all of these people waiting for us to view the aprtments. I left my wife and the agent there to move the car again and moved to the other side of the gaurd house. Did you see that?

I didn't even really raise my voice or point at him (I did point at him at this point) until he got personal! Then I told him he was acting like a jerk and being a very rude man. His reply (which if you were listening you should have heard) was that he was happy doing so and would be even more rude! Again, I didn't use any profanity at all nor get personal so I don't understand how you could think what you do! If we were being jerks why would we go back to complain about this guy?

Margt, we did not threaten or abuse this gaurd. If you had been there in our shoes I think you would have felt the same as us. He was being a jerk. He was being difficult for some reason and was purposefully causing us grief. At the very least, think about it and maybe after a while start asking people coming into your complex if they feel that one of the gaurds is being rude. You might hear something different and rethink what happened.

If he was right, why wouldn't he let my wife in the next day? Why at least would he have even denied giving her the phone number to the complex?

I'm not asking you to take our side but to be fair. That guard knows what he did was wrong. To this day we don't know what his issue was. The only thing we have to go on was his comments that he knew that we were going to complain because all Europeans are babies (maybe he's had some complaints before?) and the arguement with our agent. When my wife asked him in front of the other gaurds if he had told us we only needed one ID per car he said that he wouldn't answer and that he didn't have to answer to her.

Okay, sorry for the rambling on and on!

[Saint]

saint, it will be a lot easier to get that pint once you are on the little red dot permanently - it is just a few hours drive south/north . . . innit! Umm, do you owe me or do I owe you? I know Superglide owes me a few and the craggy Frog owes me one as well . . .

I'm sure you owe me one, we have to arrange that!

From you resident Twat!

[margt]

The other security guards looked scared for their life and I don't blame them given the barrage of abuse you gave out. The guy was a lot smaller than you as well, I wonder whether you would have given the same treatment to someone your own size or bigger?

Your a bit of an arrogant bully really, aren't you? I pitty your future neighbours...

[Vaucluse]

Careful Marget, it might be you . . . with currymeister on the other side and sierramadre above you.

[cbavasi]

ok - really didn't want to post this morning - but since the thread has continued - i'm surprised eastcoastfun didn't offer up some form of ID to the guard - even if it was a loyalty card or something. i had a similar situation when looking at int'l schools. one wouldn't let me in for my appt without coughing up an ID - and the only one i had with a picture was my 'friends of the zoo' card. he actually took it. i've also left my debit card at my husband's work when we first moved here b/c i literally had no ID.
point is, maybe if you'd tried to offer up some sort of collateral it could have been solved.
on the flip side, i really understand how frustrating it can be looking at housing and i'm usually a bit short with people after looking at disappointing place after disappointing place. good on the guard for sticking to the rules - but shame that it had to get to that point. lord knows in our building they would have personally escorted you upstairs if you just gave a kind greeting.

[EastCoastFun]

Next update!

Btw - literally the wallet and all it's contents were at home! (worse move of the month) or else I'd have given him any ID he wanted. I'm not greedy with those, promise!

My wife just spoke with the management team there who seem very helpful and kind.

A quick story: You go to a restaurant with your partner and sit down to a fine dinner. Unbeknownst to you the waiter doesn't appreciate your partner's ethnic background. He spits in your drink smiling. You're offended and in rightious anger get up and tell him to apologise. He kicks you out saying that you had to have a jacket and tie on. Across the room someone sees you get upset and argue with the waiter. That person says, wow, I'm glad that rude guy and his partner got booted out! Waiter smiles and pockets a nice tip. (You might want to check your drink.)

Here is the good news -

1. CCTV! It turns out the building has CCTV which lends a lot of evidence to what we are saying. It did see the first 30 minutes or so.

2. The rule is nothing of the sort. The actual rule was that each apartment owner had to issue a letter of authorisation or call the gaurd house to allow us in. An agent ID works like any other ID.

3. They talked to the gaurds who acknowldge that we weren't out of control or throwing saliva around (sorry, had to put that in!) The gaurds' only complaint was that we were blocking the traffic - understandable. Still feel bad about that.

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Lessons -
Don't forget your photo ID.
The rules don't really matter, just don't block traffic.
Be careful of your audience, they might jump to the wrong conclusions.
Don't upset the residents or you'll have no where to run!

Finally - from the start, my complaint wasn't getting let in or not. It wasn't about a security gaurd bravely defending the ID access law. It was about a guy who decided the best way to make the guest upset was to get personal and rude.

[sundaymorningstaple]

The other security guards looked scared for their life and I don't blame them given the barrage of abuse you gave out. The guy was a lot smaller than you as well, I wonder whether you would have given the same treatment to someone your own size or bigger?

Your a bit of an arrogant bully really, aren't you? I pitty your future neighbours...

Margt,

I didn't really want to single you out, but thanks to our OP's latest update, your comment about me going back to sleep was just waiting for a semi-decent rejoinder.

Bet you really feel like you've got.............

[Currymeister]

The most important rule: dont post your story on singaporeexpats afterwards , there are too many people on this forum with time on their hands and who want to start a fight, includng the mods, who will jump up and down call you a liar and make you wish you hadn't bothered.

[sundaymorningstaple]

This unruly bunch has been here for donkey's years and while we help lots of people in the process, we also like to have a good time. Sometimes, people think either too highly of themselves or get all self righteous or don't have the skin-thickness necessary to join in our community. They try but they end up letting their emotions get the better of them in an anonymous forum. Some try to try to change the system, some moan and complain (for any of our southern neighbours that means 'whinge & bi*ch), but eventually, they find they are "outsiders" who cannot fit in and eventually do everybody a favour. They either change (rarely) or they leave (usually).

The choice is yours.........

.....but I can tell you what. Square pegs don't fit into round holes. You ain't gonna change us as our mix has taken us to the top of the rankings and that's where we are gonna stay. Trolls come here now and again. We play with 'em for a while but then we just get tired of toying with them and ignore them and they then go somewhere else.

Your reply to this post will serve to let all and sundry know which category you fit into.......

[Wind In My Hair]

Wow, SMS. You're starting to sound like the Old Man giving one of his "Are you a stayer or a quitter?" speeches.

There aren't any real trolls or trouble-makers lately though, IMHO. Just sincere newbies who aren't used to the forum. After all, you have to agree that it's a weird bunch here, myself excepted of course.

I like having the newbies around, and hope they stay. So all you oldies behave a little ok?