National Service Deferment Procedure in Singapore.

[WiganMick]

China have just realized how wrong there one child policy was and have now changed it, so there is still hope Singapore might change eventually.

But how good of a Soldier would a Thai, Malaysian and Indonesian make if he was forced to fight for Singapore

I the 70 and 80s a young 23 year old Singapore mother didnt know about this law and the strict government didnt publish anything about, the only thing we knew that if our son was still living and benefiting from living in Singapore all his life he would and rightly so be called up to do national service, but he hasnt he as lived is life freely in the UK since he was a 3 years old

Only strict laws that we remember where that if a Singaporean had long hair you would be served last, and if you just happened to land at the airport as a tourist with long hair you would be forced to have it cut or deported, fined, jailed, beaten with a rotan or all four.

[ecureilx]

But how good of a Soldier would a Thai, Malaysian and Indonesian make if he was forced to fight for Singapore
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I have no clue what you mean by the above. The answer is clear. And repeated before. If he had a Singaporean mother or father, he has to do NS.

And NS is not all about army.

There is Civil Defence, Police ...

And young mother ? Even those who were uneducated knows all about NS and the obligations of every Son of Singapore. Unless she was held hostage with no communication with the family. And at every family gathering the son's NS obligation would have been raised or mentioned.

Why do I get the feeling that you maybe The Son, asking the questions ?

PS, China is not Singapore, and given the scarce resource Singapore has, some policies will not change, and not excusing anyone from NS is one of them.

And .... as I said, as much as Singapore doesn't give a hoot about what are rest of the world thinks, when it comes to hanging or caning locals and foreigners alike, NS rules will stay.

[ecureilx]

Only strict laws that we remember where that if a Singaporean had long hair you would be served last, and if you just happened to land at the airport as a tourist with long hair you would be forced to have it cut or deported, fined, jailed, beaten with a rotan or all four.

Jailed or Beaten for long hair ? Oh man .. that's a new one.

Are you serious ?

I never heard of even fine, it was cut it or be denied entry.

Is your wife even a Singaporean?

SMS, did you know you could be jailed or caned for long hair ?

[sundaymorningstaple]

WiganMick

Sorry, but I have to assume your wife is Malay, as if she was from any of the other races, her father would have also had to have done NS and would have known about the policy. It's not likely she wouldn't have known about it as she would have also been made aware of it during the registration of the birth of the male Singaporean baby. As far as how good a soldier a Thai, Malaysian and an Indonesian would make, is immaterial, as he is a Singaporean. As he is not able to renounce until he is 21, his obligations are clear. You, as the parents (and I do mean both, as if the father was smart enough to be able to get an employment pass here, he surely would have found out if there were any problems with holding dual citizenship and upon finding that out, he would have also known the problem wasn't going to just disappear. China and Singapore are two different countries.

China has a dearth of males, far more than it needs for a standing army, on the other hand, Singapore only has a standing army (regulars and NS Men) of around 72,00 men and at a full call up of all reserves around 900,000 men which would only ever be attempted in a declaration of war as the economy would be totally disrupted with that sized call-up. Therefore it needs every man available (all Singaporean males) those that are not fit for combat/military duties are given administrative jobs and/or put into the police or Civil Defense Force. All the reasoning you want to assign to your error in judgement is fine, but it's isn't going to change anything.

Heck, The Piano Man, Mervyn Tan, had to pay his fine and he was over 40 when he returned to Singapore and was a world renown concert Pianist. You think you son will make a difference? Don't hold your breath, and the longer you wait, the worse it's going to get as they have a record of your contact so they are aware you are aware of his obligation.

Remember, technology is a double edged sword. It won't be long that they will be able to pick up deserter/dodgers in the Transit Lounges of airports as pretty soon, immigration/police will be notified of who is on a plane before it even takes off. That way, if it's somebody they want, they can pick them up when they enter the transit lounge even if they are a transiting tourist. Woe be the one who's flight is diverted to Singapore for what ever reason and has to go through immigration because the plane cannot be sorted out. The world is very small today, and so far you have done and admirable screwing up you son's life. Don't make it worse. Everybody knows Singaporeans aren't allowed to hold dual citizenship.

Oh, one other thing. If the mother still holds Singapore Citizenship, whether she has right of abode in the UK or not, there is no way the son is not going to be exempted from his obligation as it still appears that the family is holding on to Citizenship for some reason. Sorry, but them's the facts, Ma'am, them's the facts.

[WiganMick]

In the 70s it wasnt made clear about a childs obligation at birth and there was no internet then to find these things out.

Like Ive said I can see why they have the law buts its still a harsh law in this day and age for those that have lived overseas since such a young age.

[sundaymorningstaple]

So is the USofA's taxing of ALL American's income regardless of where they are living or resident of. Them and Eritrea. No other country does so. That's the way it goes. How to say? We all have our axes to grind.

[WiganMick]

You are far to smart for me sundaymorningstaple pity like most Singaporeans you have no common sense.

[ecureilx]

You are far to smart for me sundaymorningstaple pity like most Singaporeans you have no common sense.

Quoted ..

WiganMick, how did you decide SMS is a Singaporean ?

[WiganMick]

Because Ive been blessed with a lot of common sense

[ecureilx]

Because Ive been blessed with a lot of common sense

Let me put it this way.

Your assumption is wrong in too many ways.

And anybody who has lived or done any dealing in Singapore know the Rule # 1: Don't break any law.
And Rule # 2: If you break any law, don't expect any mercy.

That's Singapore.

So I still don't know what you advice you want, as SMS has put it very eloquently.

[WiganMick]

It was all down to timing sundaymorningstaple Sun, 01 Nov 2015 5:41 pm and ecureilx Sun, 01 Nov 2015 7:28 pm

[sundaymorningstaple]

Sad to have to call foul on your so-called common sense. Somebody has really been blowing smoke up your arse if they told you that. I'm a Yank PR who's been here for over 3 decades and my son did his NS in the Singapore Navy, and did not try to shirk his obligation. In fact, I made sure he would have to do NS as I wanted him to grow a pair (yes, I'm a Nam Vet and proud of it), unlike some we get on here who move their kids out of Singapore to try to avoid their obligations and then cry foul when they get caught up in it and then try to blame everybody and the government instead of owning up to the fact that they themselves totally screwed up their son's future by hampering his movements should he every want to travel around Asia. Good luck. Oh, you might want to try to knock the chip off your shoulder. You came here looking for confirmation and didn't get the one you wanted. We see your type a lot.

[JR8]

It won't be long that they will be able to pick up deserter/dodgers in the Transit Lounges of airports as pretty soon, immigration/police will be notified of who is on a plane before it even takes off.

Immigration at destination know who is on each plane as soon as the manifest is confirmed before they take off from the point of origin. So immigration at destination already have flagged up any red flags well before arrival.

[sundaymorningstaple]

True JR, but birthplace doesn't show up on those lists. Yet. But it's coming.

[PNGMK]

It was all down to timing sundaymorningstaple Sun, 01 Nov 2015 5:41 pm and ecureilx Sun, 01 Nov 2015 7:28 pm

Wigan, what do you want? A pardon? Write to the president. Nothing else will get your son out of his NS obligation. The govt cannot budge on this one; as soon as they do then they will have thousand's of defaulters and deserters. I am an Aussie with a son in Singapore; for all of his 14 years I have made sure he understands he will do NS. Today (a school holiday) he is at the Home Team Academy on a leadership training course as an NPCC corporal - the only boy from his state school to make it to the CLDC. I cannot tell you how proud I am of him becoming a man and how pleased I am that he has an avenue ahead of him.