Once again you give bad and unfounded advice on the forum, you do not have a clue what you are talking about. Posters like Kev are after realistic and experience advice.kimtaymour wrote:Hi Kev,
The best is to get there and start looking for a job in all ways... your situation is pretty much similar to mine..myself am moving ther in 3 weeks times..indeed networking is highly needed but with time it'll come ... make CVs and start the job hunt and there you go.
Keep in mind it doesn't mean that the univ is recognized by the MoM or citizenship can get any sort of advantages .. just your luck and knowledge can help..and of course the world wide rules applies whom you know
P.S: Take the last resort as a study plan
Hi Kev,kev wrote:Hi all,
I'm wondering if anyone has any idea of the likelihood of me finding an IT job in Singapore, assuming the following situation:
I'm 27 and a British/American dual national.
I have a degree in Computer Studies, from a British university that isn't a top one, but is in the list of ones the Singaporean government recognises.
I have a CCNA.
As well as English, I speak/read/write Korean to a high level, with qualifications recognised by the Korean government.
But, I have little experience in IT work - 1 work placement year as part of my degree course and 6 months before I went to uni.
Bearing in mind my lack of experience, I am not expecting any sort of nice expat package, whatever they'd give a similarly qualified local is fine.
Any chance, or am I out of luck? I know networking is important, but I guess there's only so long I can network for without a job or a long term visa I would like to work there because my girlfriend wants to study there, and I want to go with. I suppose I could study as well, but I'd rather work, if at all possible!
Any advice is much appreciated, cheers!
Morning Sir,sundaymorningstaple wrote:Morning Saint.....
Sometimes we just have to put up with it...... I think they are called "wannabes" or sumtin like that..... he reminds me of Donno. Remember him?
Unfortunately, giving out wrong information without anything to back it up often make a laughing-stock of what we try to do here.
It's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it!
It's kinda like the silly information he posted in the weight-loss thread trying to hijack it into a fitness program when we are talking about people with "obese" or worse BMI's....
Thanks, I guess that's pretty much what I expected. Do you reckon there's any other sort of work I could do there, or is studying pretty much my only option for a long term stay?Saint wrote:
Hi Kev,
To be honest, you will find it very hard to find a IT position in Singapore. Unfortunately there are loads of local with more experienced than you who will take up any available positions first. If they don't want the job far more experienced candidates will take the jobs for very low pay.
A Company has to justify to the MOM that any position they may offer you can not be filled by a Singapore citizen or a PR.
Just some insight from my end and this is speaking from experience. I do know for a fact that Singapore recruiters are now going to KL (that's Kuala Lumpur for you) to recruit locals for IT jobs in Singapore.kev wrote:Hi all,
I'm wondering if anyone has any idea of the likelihood of me finding an IT job in Singapore, assuming the following situation:
I'm 27 and a British/American dual national.
I have a degree in Computer Studies, from a British university that isn't a top one, but is in the list of ones the Singaporean government recognises.
I have a CCNA.
As well as English, I speak/read/write Korean to a high level, with qualifications recognised by the Korean government.
But, I have little experience in IT work - 1 work placement year as part of my degree course and 6 months before I went to uni.
Bearing in mind my lack of experience, I am not expecting any sort of nice expat package, whatever they'd give a similarly qualified local is fine.
Any chance, or am I out of luck? I know networking is important, but I guess there's only so long I can network for without a job or a long term visa I would like to work there because my girlfriend wants to study there, and I want to go with. I suppose I could study as well, but I'd rather work, if at all possible!
Any advice is much appreciated, cheers!
It's a tough one but I would recommend giving up everything in UK and coming to Singapore to try and look for a job as you'll be back home in the UK after a month.kev wrote:Thanks, I guess that's pretty much what I expected. Do you reckon there's any other sort of work I could do there, or is studying pretty much my only option for a long term stay?Saint wrote:
Hi Kev,
To be honest, you will find it very hard to find a IT position in Singapore. Unfortunately there are loads of local with more experienced than you who will take up any available positions first. If they don't want the job far more experienced candidates will take the jobs for very low pay.
A Company has to justify to the MOM that any position they may offer you can not be filled by a Singapore citizen or a PR.
Yep, that may be useful, thanks.Plavt wrote:Kev,
Here's something posted by Strong Eagle but whether or not it is any use to yourself I don't know.
http://www.singaporeexpats.com/forum/su ... ht=#333751
If I was you, I would do a SWOT on yourself, If your Korean language ability is on a high level, I would look at using it, for a Korean Company in Singapore, with your English abilities, you will be worth more to a Korean company based in Singapore, because of your native language and cultural understanding, Although you maybe expected to help out with business english too, which isn't difficult if you can research the requirements. So contact the Korean trade office at the embassy and see if they can help you out, with a list of Korean companies based in Singapore, or to help you network for a position, where you could possibly still use your IT skills too, or at least get experience in other areas.kev wrote:Thanks, krptykcookies. Interesting, I dunno if I'd fare any better trying to find work in KL, but I'll give it a look!
Saint, on the bright side, there's nothing I'd have to give up in the UK, or anywhere else. I'm working on a year's contract, which I'd finish up before leaving, and the only major thing I own is a car which I'm intending to sell regardless.
Yep, that may be useful, thanks.Plavt wrote:Kev,
Here's something posted by Strong Eagle but whether or not it is any use to yourself I don't know.
http://www.singaporeexpats.com/forum/su ... ht=#333751
Thanks everyone. It may mostly be bad news, but hey, at least I know now
Thanks, sounds like good advice. Admittedly, my Korean isn't quite up to it yet - the first post was the position I hope to be in when my girlfriend would start her course, in just over a year's time. I figured speaking Korean well would be my best bet, so over the coming year, I'm going to be concentrating on that. That'll work out well either way - if I can't go to Singapore, we'll probably both stay in Korea, so it'll still be useful.ksl wrote: If I was you, I would do a SWOT on yourself, If your Korean language ability is on a high level, I would look at using it, for a Korean Company in Singapore, with your English abilities, you will be worth more to a Korean company based in Singapore, because of your native language and cultural understanding, Although you maybe expected to help out with business english too, which isn't difficult if you can research the requirements. So contact the Korean trade office at the embassy and see if they can help you out, with a list of Korean companies based in Singapore, or to help you network for a position, where you could possibly still use your IT skills too, or at least get experience in other areas.
I say this based on my experience of meeting Asian businessmen from Taiwan, Korea and China, at exhibitions, all of which seek native English input for international business operations, especially in marketing and communications, need help in the English native language.
It certainly isn't easy to find work, but there again, approach the problem from other angles, than what you are normally thinking of, your language ability in Korean and English maybe your strongest point, That Singaporeans may not have, so all your other skills become a bonus for some companies and a native English business teacher advisor cannot be done, the same by many Singaporeans.
To actually negotiate yourself to a position of employment is something else...your CV isn't worth much, unless you can sell yourself, to do that you will need a convincing plan of action, and the balls to do it, the more practice you get the better you get, at selling yourself, although one should never lie, but paint a rosy picture.
Offer potential employers something they need or want, but do not yet realise it! Look to offer benefits, in value, cost saving, increased production, quality of service, cultural benefits, Native English hospitality, win them over. without bending over backwards.
If you are already in Korea, your chance maybe even better, but you do need to contact the trade office, they will have contact with Korean MNC operating in Singapore, with your native English, being a strong point, to gain entry.kev wrote:Thanks, sounds like good advice. Admittedly, my Korean isn't quite up to it yet - the first post was the position I hope to be in when my girlfriend would start her course, in just over a year's time. I figured speaking Korean well would be my best bet, so over the coming year, I'm going to be concentrating on that. That'll work out well either way - if I can't go to Singapore, we'll probably both stay in Korea, so it'll still be useful.ksl wrote: If I was you, I would do a SWOT on yourself, If your Korean language ability is on a high level, I would look at using it, for a Korean Company in Singapore, with your English abilities, you will be worth more to a Korean company based in Singapore, because of your native language and cultural understanding, Although you maybe expected to help out with business english too, which isn't difficult if you can research the requirements. So contact the Korean trade office at the embassy and see if they can help you out, with a list of Korean companies based in Singapore, or to help you network for a position, where you could possibly still use your IT skills too, or at least get experience in other areas.
I say this based on my experience of meeting Asian businessmen from Taiwan, Korea and China, at exhibitions, all of which seek native English input for international business operations, especially in marketing and communications, need help in the English native language.
It certainly isn't easy to find work, but there again, approach the problem from other angles, than what you are normally thinking of, your language ability in Korean and English maybe your strongest point, That Singaporeans may not have, so all your other skills become a bonus for some companies and a native English business teacher advisor cannot be done, the same by many Singaporeans.
To actually negotiate yourself to a position of employment is something else...your CV isn't worth much, unless you can sell yourself, to do that you will need a convincing plan of action, and the balls to do it, the more practice you get the better you get, at selling yourself, although one should never lie, but paint a rosy picture.
Offer potential employers something they need or want, but do not yet realise it! Look to offer benefits, in value, cost saving, increased production, quality of service, cultural benefits, Native English hospitality, win them over. without bending over backwards.
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