Singapore Expats Forum

Chances of finding an IT job with little experience?

Discuss about getting a well paid job or career advancement. Ask about salaries, expat packages, CPF & taxes for expatriate.

kev
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 8
Joined: Thu, 10 Jul 2008

Chances of finding an IT job with little experience?

Postby kev » Thu, 10 Jul 2008 1:12 am

Hi all,

I'm wondering if anyone has any idea of the likelihood of me finding an IT job in Singapore, assuming the following situation:


I'm 27 and a British/American dual national.
I have a degree in Computer Studies, from a British university that isn't a top one, but is in the list of ones the Singaporean government recognises.
I have a CCNA.
As well as English, I speak/read/write Korean to a high level, with qualifications recognised by the Korean government.
But, I have little experience in IT work - 1 work placement year as part of my degree course and 6 months before I went to uni.
Bearing in mind my lack of experience, I am not expecting any sort of nice expat package, whatever they'd give a similarly qualified local is fine.

Any chance, or am I out of luck? I know networking is important, but I guess there's only so long I can network for without a job or a long term visa :) I would like to work there because my girlfriend wants to study there, and I want to go with. I suppose I could study as well, but I'd rather work, if at all possible!

Any advice is much appreciated, cheers!

User avatar
kimtaymour
Regular
Regular
Posts: 143
Joined: Mon, 14 Apr 2008
Location: Singapore

Postby kimtaymour » Thu, 10 Jul 2008 4:49 am

Hi Kev,

The best is to get there and start looking for a job in all ways... your situation is pretty much similar to mine..myself am moving ther in 3 weeks times..indeed networking is highly needed but with time it'll come ... make CVs and start the job hunt and there you go.

Keep in mind it doesn't mean that the univ is recognized by the MoM or citizenship can get any sort of advantages .. just your luck and knowledge can help..and of course the world wide rules applies whom you know :cool:

P.S: Take the last resort as a study plan
Best Record with the Most EP Rejected

User avatar
Saint
Director
Director
Posts: 3535
Joined: Thu, 16 Jun 2005
Location: The Juban Stand, Boat Quay
Contact:

Postby Saint » Thu, 10 Jul 2008 7:22 am

kimtaymour wrote:Hi Kev,

The best is to get there and start looking for a job in all ways... your situation is pretty much similar to mine..myself am moving ther in 3 weeks times..indeed networking is highly needed but with time it'll come ... make CVs and start the job hunt and there you go.

Keep in mind it doesn't mean that the univ is recognized by the MoM or citizenship can get any sort of advantages .. just your luck and knowledge can help..and of course the world wide rules applies whom you know :cool:

P.S: Take the last resort as a study plan


Once again you give bad and unfounded advice on the forum, you do not have a clue what you are talking about. Posters like Kev are after realistic and experience advice.

Why don't you start posting useful info rather than the crap you have been.

User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 35159
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004
Location: Still Fishing!
Contact:

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 10 Jul 2008 7:34 am

Morning Saint.....

Sometimes we just have to put up with it...... I think they are called "wannabes" or sumtin like that..... he reminds me of Donno. Remember him?
Unfortunately, giving out wrong information without anything to back it up often make a laughing-stock of what we try to do here.

It's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it! :cool:

It's kinda like the silly information he posted in the weight-loss thread trying to hijack it into a fitness program when we are talking about people with "obese" or worse BMI's.... :roll:

User avatar
Saint
Director
Director
Posts: 3535
Joined: Thu, 16 Jun 2005
Location: The Juban Stand, Boat Quay
Contact:

Re: Chances of finding an IT job with little experience?

Postby Saint » Thu, 10 Jul 2008 7:36 am

kev wrote:Hi all,

I'm wondering if anyone has any idea of the likelihood of me finding an IT job in Singapore, assuming the following situation:


I'm 27 and a British/American dual national.
I have a degree in Computer Studies, from a British university that isn't a top one, but is in the list of ones the Singaporean government recognises.
I have a CCNA.
As well as English, I speak/read/write Korean to a high level, with qualifications recognised by the Korean government.
But, I have little experience in IT work - 1 work placement year as part of my degree course and 6 months before I went to uni.
Bearing in mind my lack of experience, I am not expecting any sort of nice expat package, whatever they'd give a similarly qualified local is fine.

Any chance, or am I out of luck? I know networking is important, but I guess there's only so long I can network for without a job or a long term visa :) I would like to work there because my girlfriend wants to study there, and I want to go with. I suppose I could study as well, but I'd rather work, if at all possible!

Any advice is much appreciated, cheers!


Hi Kev,

To be honest, you will find it very hard to find a IT position in Singapore. Unfortunately there are loads of local with more experienced than you who will take up any available positions first. If they don't want the job far more experienced candidates will take the jobs for very low pay.

A Company has to justify to the MOM that any position they may offer you can not be filled by a Singapore citizen or a PR.

User avatar
Saint
Director
Director
Posts: 3535
Joined: Thu, 16 Jun 2005
Location: The Juban Stand, Boat Quay
Contact:

Postby Saint » Thu, 10 Jul 2008 8:15 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Morning Saint.....

Sometimes we just have to put up with it...... I think they are called "wannabes" or sumtin like that..... he reminds me of Donno. Remember him?
Unfortunately, giving out wrong information without anything to back it up often make a laughing-stock of what we try to do here.

It's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it! :cool:

It's kinda like the silly information he posted in the weight-loss thread trying to hijack it into a fitness program when we are talking about people with "obese" or worse BMI's.... :roll:


Morning Sir,

Twins seperated at birth I reckon!

kev
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 8
Joined: Thu, 10 Jul 2008

Re: Chances of finding an IT job with little experience?

Postby kev » Thu, 10 Jul 2008 4:01 pm

Saint wrote:
Hi Kev,

To be honest, you will find it very hard to find a IT position in Singapore. Unfortunately there are loads of local with more experienced than you who will take up any available positions first. If they don't want the job far more experienced candidates will take the jobs for very low pay.

A Company has to justify to the MOM that any position they may offer you can not be filled by a Singapore citizen or a PR.


Thanks, I guess that's pretty much what I expected. Do you reckon there's any other sort of work I could do there, or is studying pretty much my only option for a long term stay?

User avatar
krptykcookies
Regular
Regular
Posts: 55
Joined: Wed, 23 Jan 2008
Location: Singapore

Re: Chances of finding an IT job with little experience?

Postby krptykcookies » Thu, 10 Jul 2008 4:06 pm

kev wrote:Hi all,

I'm wondering if anyone has any idea of the likelihood of me finding an IT job in Singapore, assuming the following situation:


I'm 27 and a British/American dual national.
I have a degree in Computer Studies, from a British university that isn't a top one, but is in the list of ones the Singaporean government recognises.
I have a CCNA.
As well as English, I speak/read/write Korean to a high level, with qualifications recognised by the Korean government.
But, I have little experience in IT work - 1 work placement year as part of my degree course and 6 months before I went to uni.
Bearing in mind my lack of experience, I am not expecting any sort of nice expat package, whatever they'd give a similarly qualified local is fine.

Any chance, or am I out of luck? I know networking is important, but I guess there's only so long I can network for without a job or a long term visa :) I would like to work there because my girlfriend wants to study there, and I want to go with. I suppose I could study as well, but I'd rather work, if at all possible!

Any advice is much appreciated, cheers!


Just some insight from my end and this is speaking from experience. I do know for a fact that Singapore recruiters are now going to KL (that's Kuala Lumpur for you) to recruit locals for IT jobs in Singapore.

I have also gotten to know from a S'pore-based recruiter (who recruits SAP specialists) that a lot of S'poreans are now going over to KL for SAP jobs due to the high demand and of course, pay. Apparently S'porean companies are not willing to pay well and so resulting in S'porean SAPers going across the border for better paying jobs (pay rates range from MYR15-35k a month for SAPers).

So for an honest insight, it is going to be tough from your end because they are getting experienced hires with a low pay scale. I have seen pay rates going to as low as SGD3k for a project manager role (which requires a min of 5 years experience)
Cool as cool can be

User avatar
Saint
Director
Director
Posts: 3535
Joined: Thu, 16 Jun 2005
Location: The Juban Stand, Boat Quay
Contact:

Re: Chances of finding an IT job with little experience?

Postby Saint » Thu, 10 Jul 2008 5:06 pm

kev wrote:
Saint wrote:
Hi Kev,

To be honest, you will find it very hard to find a IT position in Singapore. Unfortunately there are loads of local with more experienced than you who will take up any available positions first. If they don't want the job far more experienced candidates will take the jobs for very low pay.

A Company has to justify to the MOM that any position they may offer you can not be filled by a Singapore citizen or a PR.


Thanks, I guess that's pretty much what I expected. Do you reckon there's any other sort of work I could do there, or is studying pretty much my only option for a long term stay?


It's a tough one but I would recommend giving up everything in UK and coming to Singapore to try and look for a job as you'll be back home in the UK after a month.

You could try KL as the above poster has mentioned, only a short hop down to Singapore.

User avatar
Plavt
Director
Director
Posts: 4292
Joined: Wed, 18 May 2005
Location: United Kingdom

Postby Plavt » Thu, 10 Jul 2008 7:29 pm

Kev,
Here's something posted by Strong Eagle but whether or not it is any use to yourself I don't know.

http://www.singaporeexpats.com/forum/sutra333751.html&highlight=#333751

kev
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 8
Joined: Thu, 10 Jul 2008

Re: Chances of finding an IT job with little experience?

Postby kev » Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:17 pm

Thanks, krptykcookies. Interesting, I dunno if I'd fare any better trying to find work in KL, but I'll give it a look!

Saint, on the bright side, there's nothing I'd have to give up in the UK, or anywhere else. I'm working on a year's contract, which I'd finish up before leaving, and the only major thing I own is a car which I'm intending to sell regardless.

Plavt wrote:Kev,
Here's something posted by Strong Eagle but whether or not it is any use to yourself I don't know.

http://www.singaporeexpats.com/forum/su ... ht=#333751


Yep, that may be useful, thanks.

Thanks everyone. It may mostly be bad news, but hey, at least I know now :)

User avatar
ksl
Governor
Governor
Posts: 6005
Joined: Mon, 19 Jul 2004
Location: Singapore
Contact:

Re: Chances of finding an IT job with little experience?

Postby ksl » Fri, 11 Jul 2008 1:51 am

kev wrote:Thanks, krptykcookies. Interesting, I dunno if I'd fare any better trying to find work in KL, but I'll give it a look!

Saint, on the bright side, there's nothing I'd have to give up in the UK, or anywhere else. I'm working on a year's contract, which I'd finish up before leaving, and the only major thing I own is a car which I'm intending to sell regardless.

Plavt wrote:Kev,
Here's something posted by Strong Eagle but whether or not it is any use to yourself I don't know.

http://www.singaporeexpats.com/forum/su ... ht=#333751


Yep, that may be useful, thanks.

Thanks everyone. It may mostly be bad news, but hey, at least I know now :)


If I was you, I would do a SWOT on yourself, If your Korean language ability is on a high level, I would look at using it, for a Korean Company in Singapore, with your English abilities, you will be worth more to a Korean company based in Singapore, because of your native language and cultural understanding, Although you maybe expected to help out with business english too, which isn't difficult if you can research the requirements. So contact the Korean trade office at the embassy and see if they can help you out, with a list of Korean companies based in Singapore, or to help you network for a position, where you could possibly still use your IT skills too, or at least get experience in other areas.

I say this based on my experience of meeting Asian businessmen from Taiwan, Korea and China, at exhibitions, all of which seek native English input for international business operations, especially in marketing and communications, need help in the English native language.

It certainly isn't easy to find work, but there again, approach the problem from other angles, than what you are normally thinking of, your language ability in Korean and English maybe your strongest point, That Singaporeans may not have, so all your other skills become a bonus for some companies and a native English business teacher advisor cannot be done, the same by many Singaporeans.

To actually negotiate yourself to a position of employment is something else...your CV isn't worth much, unless you can sell yourself, to do that you will need a convincing plan of action, and the balls to do it, the more practice you get the better you get, at selling yourself, although one should never lie, but paint a rosy picture.

Offer potential employers something they need or want, but do not yet realise it! Look to offer benefits, in value, cost saving, increased production, quality of service, cultural benefits, Native English hospitality, win them over. without bending over backwards.

kev
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 8
Joined: Thu, 10 Jul 2008

Re: Chances of finding an IT job with little experience?

Postby kev » Fri, 11 Jul 2008 9:39 am

ksl wrote:If I was you, I would do a SWOT on yourself, If your Korean language ability is on a high level, I would look at using it, for a Korean Company in Singapore, with your English abilities, you will be worth more to a Korean company based in Singapore, because of your native language and cultural understanding, Although you maybe expected to help out with business english too, which isn't difficult if you can research the requirements. So contact the Korean trade office at the embassy and see if they can help you out, with a list of Korean companies based in Singapore, or to help you network for a position, where you could possibly still use your IT skills too, or at least get experience in other areas.

I say this based on my experience of meeting Asian businessmen from Taiwan, Korea and China, at exhibitions, all of which seek native English input for international business operations, especially in marketing and communications, need help in the English native language.

It certainly isn't easy to find work, but there again, approach the problem from other angles, than what you are normally thinking of, your language ability in Korean and English maybe your strongest point, That Singaporeans may not have, so all your other skills become a bonus for some companies and a native English business teacher advisor cannot be done, the same by many Singaporeans.

To actually negotiate yourself to a position of employment is something else...your CV isn't worth much, unless you can sell yourself, to do that you will need a convincing plan of action, and the balls to do it, the more practice you get the better you get, at selling yourself, although one should never lie, but paint a rosy picture.

Offer potential employers something they need or want, but do not yet realise it! Look to offer benefits, in value, cost saving, increased production, quality of service, cultural benefits, Native English hospitality, win them over. without bending over backwards.


Thanks, sounds like good advice. Admittedly, my Korean isn't quite up to it yet - the first post was the position I hope to be in when my girlfriend would start her course, in just over a year's time. I figured speaking Korean well would be my best bet, so over the coming year, I'm going to be concentrating on that. That'll work out well either way - if I can't go to Singapore, we'll probably both stay in Korea, so it'll still be useful.

User avatar
ksl
Governor
Governor
Posts: 6005
Joined: Mon, 19 Jul 2004
Location: Singapore
Contact:

Re: Chances of finding an IT job with little experience?

Postby ksl » Fri, 11 Jul 2008 1:26 pm

kev wrote:
ksl wrote:If I was you, I would do a SWOT on yourself, If your Korean language ability is on a high level, I would look at using it, for a Korean Company in Singapore, with your English abilities, you will be worth more to a Korean company based in Singapore, because of your native language and cultural understanding, Although you maybe expected to help out with business english too, which isn't difficult if you can research the requirements. So contact the Korean trade office at the embassy and see if they can help you out, with a list of Korean companies based in Singapore, or to help you network for a position, where you could possibly still use your IT skills too, or at least get experience in other areas.

I say this based on my experience of meeting Asian businessmen from Taiwan, Korea and China, at exhibitions, all of which seek native English input for international business operations, especially in marketing and communications, need help in the English native language.

It certainly isn't easy to find work, but there again, approach the problem from other angles, than what you are normally thinking of, your language ability in Korean and English maybe your strongest point, That Singaporeans may not have, so all your other skills become a bonus for some companies and a native English business teacher advisor cannot be done, the same by many Singaporeans.

To actually negotiate yourself to a position of employment is something else...your CV isn't worth much, unless you can sell yourself, to do that you will need a convincing plan of action, and the balls to do it, the more practice you get the better you get, at selling yourself, although one should never lie, but paint a rosy picture.

Offer potential employers something they need or want, but do not yet realise it! Look to offer benefits, in value, cost saving, increased production, quality of service, cultural benefits, Native English hospitality, win them over. without bending over backwards.


Thanks, sounds like good advice. Admittedly, my Korean isn't quite up to it yet - the first post was the position I hope to be in when my girlfriend would start her course, in just over a year's time. I figured speaking Korean well would be my best bet, so over the coming year, I'm going to be concentrating on that. That'll work out well either way - if I can't go to Singapore, we'll probably both stay in Korea, so it'll still be useful.


If you are already in Korea, your chance maybe even better, but you do need to contact the trade office, they will have contact with Korean MNC operating in Singapore, with your native English, being a strong point, to gain entry.

I do know smaller Korean companies here, that are struggling to survive because of a lack of English skills, and are only serving the Korean consumers, because of it. Good Luck! Work experience in any field will benefit you, be sure of that, a jack of all trades is much more of an asset, if you are a quick learner, so I wouldn't worry so much with IT career at the present. That will come!

freecat
Member
Member
Posts: 31
Joined: Tue, 17 Jun 2008
Location: Singapore

Postby freecat » Fri, 11 Jul 2008 1:40 pm

Btw about jobs with Koren Lanquage required, try applying to Bloomberg (through their website), just saw an adverticement for dual lanquage support operators the other day.
But getting employment pass might be a problem :roll: still no harm trying


  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “Careers & Jobs in Singapore”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest