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Postby Strong Eagle » Sat, 14 Jun 2008 7:37 am

maneo wrote:
markhed wrote:I posted an email yesterday that I recieved and it was moved to the jokes section. Read the posting.

Looked like a hoax.

Moderator probably thought so, too.


It is a smear, started on the internet. Obama has created a special section in his campaign organization just to track down and stop such nonsense.

Already there have been emails that he is a practicing Muslim, that he is friends with heads of terror groups, that his wife used the word 'whitey' in a speech... and on and on and on... the right wing hate groups are trying to do to him what they did to John Kerry... doesn't matter if it is a lie... just got to get enough people to believe it.

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Postby maneo » Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:32 am

A malicious smear, eh?
Thanks for the clarification.
The hoax check sites (e.g. snopes, etc). must be getting overloaded with these.

Unfortunately, it looks like it "hooked in" at least one foo . . . , I mean person. :roll:

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Postby banana » Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:47 am

apparently Obama has a pretty impressive track record as far as women's rights are concerned. granted that's from a pro Obama blog, if anyone can verify or deny that'll be great.

then again, if he's good enough for Bob Dylan, I say put that man in office already.
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Postby bruinbear » Mon, 16 Jun 2008 9:05 pm

Can Obama beat McCain? At least Obama is a lot younger!

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Postby ksl » Tue, 15 Jul 2008 2:18 am

Sadly it appears the gloves are off, I'll bet he will also be packing a gun for protection, although freedom of speach can be cruel, and many are willing to be awarded the wooden spoon!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7505953.stm

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Postby chip » Tue, 15 Jul 2008 9:41 am

I need to say something about the so-called tax cuts for the rich. The top 1% of earners in the US pay 40% of all income tax. The top 25% pay almost 90% of tax.

The bottom 50% of earners pay just 3% of taxes.

So when income taxes are cut -- thus diverting money from the black hole of government to private investment -- they inevitably are cut for the "rich." An income tax cut for the poor would result in no tax cut at all.

As for the election, I prefer to judge Obama on his record over the last decade or so. And that's pretty hard left. He's been anti-NAFTA, pro-tax, a friend to the Teamsters and on foreign policy, well, the less said the better.

Of course, he's now flopping faster than a netted fish so who knows where his positions will wind up.

The guy gives a nice speech but at the end of the day the only thing on his resume is "community organizer" in Chicago, and that's tainted by his close association with the nutcase Wright and the convicted felon Rezko.

Not a happy picture.

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Postby huggybear » Tue, 15 Jul 2008 1:10 pm

chip wrote:I need to say something about the so-called tax cuts for the rich. The top 1% of earners in the US pay 40% of all income tax. The top 25% pay almost 90% of tax.

The bottom 50% of earners pay just 3% of taxes.

So when income taxes are cut -- thus diverting money from the black hole of government to private investment -- they inevitably are cut for the "rich." An income tax cut for the poor would result in no tax cut at all.

As for the election, I prefer to judge Obama on his record over the last decade or so. And that's pretty hard left. He's been anti-NAFTA, pro-tax, a friend to the Teamsters and on foreign policy, well, the less said the better.

Of course, he's now flopping faster than a netted fish so who knows where his positions will wind up.

The guy gives a nice speech but at the end of the day the only thing on his resume is "community organizer" in Chicago, and that's tainted by his close association with the nutcase Wright and the convicted felon Rezko.

Not a happy picture.


This is one of the dumbest posts. All republicans are flip floppers. "Read my lips no new taxes." 3 months later George Sr raises taxes. Regardless, I'd rather have someone that "flip flops" and admits they made a mistake and work to rectify it then someone who "leads from his gut" and "stays the course" even though he's completely and utterly wrong.

Besides. Republican policies always end in tears. You cannot regulate Greed. The trickle down effect never works. How many times have you seen auto companies or airline companies turn to their workers and demand concessions in benefits / pay? how many times have they actually "trickled down" profits and shared the wealth? How about all these sports teams that force their city / municipal governments to build them 1 billion USD stadiums? How many times have you seen the owners of the sports team "trickle down" their profits and help improve roads? it's a one way street to trickle profits / $ into the pockets of their wealthy friends.

Anyways as for George Bush, and his "free market capitalism" they just bailed out Bear Stearns and then bailed out Indy Mac and now they've nationalized fannie mae and freddie mac. THIS IS CALLED SOCIALISM yet everyone rails on democrats for their "tax and spend" policies. where the heck do you think GW is going to get $ to bail out these companies? Just wait there will be even more....Zion's bank, Fifth Third, National City, Sun Trust, Comerica...

the top 1% of earners do not pay their "fair share" ... they have a multitude of loop holes so their "effective" tax rate is closer to 10-15%. So if you're a hedge fund billionaire that just made billions off the house market crash (John Paulson) you really think his tax rate will be 39.4%? Only a village idiot (GW) would believe that. I can guarantee you that he has the majority of it in tax shelters to hide income so that he probably pays around 5-10%.

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Postby huggybear » Tue, 15 Jul 2008 1:18 pm

chip wrote:I need to say something about the so-called tax cuts for the rich. The top 1% of earners in the US pay 40% of all income tax. The top 25% pay almost 90% of tax.

The bottom 50% of earners pay just 3% of taxes.

So when income taxes are cut -- thus diverting money from the black hole of government to private investment -- they inevitably are cut for the "rich." An income tax cut for the poor would result in no tax cut at all.

As for the election, I prefer to judge Obama on his record over the last decade or so. And that's pretty hard left. He's been anti-NAFTA, pro-tax, a friend to the Teamsters and on foreign policy, well, the less said the better.

Of course, he's now flopping faster than a netted fish so who knows where his positions will wind up.

The guy gives a nice speech but at the end of the day the only thing on his resume is "community organizer" in Chicago, and that's tainted by his close association with the nutcase Wright and the convicted felon Rezko.

Not a happy picture.


I'd also like to hear your explanation on how Jeremiah Wright is a "nutcase?"

GW's religious organization molests children and raises army to kill people for not sharing the same faith (spanish inquisition??). They also assisted the Nazis and softly condoned the killing of over 10 million jews. This is not to mention the number of republicans who support pastors who actually believe the earth was created in ten days and all the other fire and brimstone crap from the old testament.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 15 Jul 2008 1:53 pm

I would doubt if our friend chip could explain it as he only cut and pasted it from here: http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/oped/mayer/01/tax.html or here: http://users.law.capital.edu/dmayer/blo ... 040415.asp

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Postby chip » Tue, 15 Jul 2008 2:30 pm

So GW is a Catholic?

And I cut and pasted from where?

Well, you guys are too sharp for me.

Ciao.

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Postby fahim27 » Tue, 15 Jul 2008 2:34 pm

Democrats or republicans, their only intention is to steal oil and bring the economy down. sorry forgot this, kill innocent people. blame who??

sorry, our ancestors lived in caves some moved to west, others to east, Is Vucloose hearing... :lol

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Postby Forks » Tue, 15 Jul 2008 4:28 pm

chip wrote:So GW is a Catholic?

And I cut and pasted from where?

Well, you guys are too sharp for me.

Ciao.


No Chip come back, they didnt mean it, it was starting to look like an interesting thread and its been quiet around here lately, come back and tell us more, they are just joking.

I do have trouble with the 40% rich tax thing as its less the individual thats been scuzzing out of their taxes but the large organizations and such which have profited better from creative taxation :D

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Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 15 Jul 2008 5:21 pm

Forks wrote:
chip wrote:So GW is a Catholic?

And I cut and pasted from where?

Well, you guys are too sharp for me.

Ciao.


No Chip come back, they didnt mean it, it was starting to look like an interesting thread and its been quiet around here lately, come back and tell us more, they are just joking.

I do have trouble with the 40% rich tax thing as its less the individual thats been scuzzing out of their taxes but the large organizations and such which have profited better from creative taxation :D


Yeh! And no HUSSEIN either... come on back and toss one or two in.


But Chip.... I bet you love this picture, yah? Same kind of innuendo you promote.



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Postby huggybear » Wed, 16 Jul 2008 8:22 am

forks wrote:No Chip come back, they didnt mean it, it was starting to look like an interesting thread and its been quiet around here lately, come back and tell us more, they are just joking.

I do have trouble with the 40% rich tax thing as its less the individual thats been scuzzing out of their taxes but the large organizations and such which have profited better from creative taxation :D


The IRS just went after UBS and arrested their head of some group whose explicit intention (the guy plead guilty) was to evade paying US taxes. Even in germany they paid off a luxembourg bank employee to gain records of the german citizens who were hiding off shore assets to evade paying german taxes. only a fool thinks that high earning individuals pay their fair share. most of them hide their assets or pay a 10% fee to bankers who erect tax shelters to evade US taxation.

Edited to add UBS story link:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/01/ ... 1ubsfw.php

Edited 2nd time to add Luxembourg story:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/26/business/tax.php
Last edited by huggybear on Wed, 16 Jul 2008 8:28 am, edited 2 times in total.

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Postby huggybear » Wed, 16 Jul 2008 8:25 am

chip wrote:So GW is a Catholic?

And I cut and pasted from where?

Well, you guys are too sharp for me.

Ciao.


you're right. he's a methodist, that still didn't stop him from fawning over the pope "AWESOME SPEECH DUDE!" when he visited Washington DC while Obama has to excommunciate / ostracize his pastor.


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