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Post by artursson » Tue, 03 Jun 2008 5:38 am

Greetings from afar! As I enter this, my wife is negotiating a contract for a three-year university posting in Singapore, to begin in August. Her prospective employer is new to Singapore and so has next to nothing to tell us about primary schools, or even about where we'll be living (in ten weeks!). Our 9-yr-old son is about to finish third grade in our local elementary school, and we have to enter him in school at what looks like the last minute.

The school contribution being offered so far is US$5000 per year, a laughable sum, I know, given the school fees posted by such International Schools as SAS. This has not been an immediate deal-killer for us, as we aren't much interested in coming halfway around the globe to send our son to school with a gang of other American kids. But the local school system (touted highly by in-laws who lived in Singapore for years) operates on the calendar year, and its placement exam isn't till an undetermined date in the fall.

I've gone blind reviewing the school websites, the MoE website, and the school-related posts in this forum, and I've emailed all of the private schools, and a couple of state-supported schools, that looked of interest.
The only encouraging reply I've received is from OFS: open admissions, no registration fee, S$10,000/semester including GST, apparently eager to have us apply. I gather from posts here that OFS is an at least OK school, but not particularly sought after. Can someone tell me why this is so? Any anecdote or biased account will be helpful. Jockney on this forum tells us his son likes the school; if any of you have rejected OFS for your children, please tell us the reasons.

We've been told that we'll be housed near my wife's campus, to which the nearest likely state school is Queenstown Primary. Any knowledge or experience of that school to relate? Our son is excited about living in Singapore, and fearless about negotiating another culture, and--though I say it myself--bright as they come, but he's been nurtured in an ideal environment: 15 kids, all of whom interact beautifully, in his class (one of three third grades in the school), with a really dedicated, loving staff, and all the attention and most of the extras they can handle. All of this for about half of our $4000/yr property tax . . . I'm concerned about class size (and frankly, class, period: posts here give the impression that, in Singapore too, it is as it ever was, that middle-to-upper-class striver parents get the best schools for their kids), facilities, and the flexibility of teaching staff in dealing with expat students. Of course, that said, I have no idea whether Queenstown Primary, or whatever other neighborhood school, will be fully booked by the time placement test results are out.

In our present ignorance, our strategy as presently formulated is this: to enroll our son at OFS for the fall semester, schedule him for the MoE placement exam, whenever that is, tour the local schools, whether Queenstown or otherwise, with available places, and, assuming we like what we see and hear, enroll him for the January term in the best of the lot that's willing to have him. Unless he is, like Jockney, Jr., totally taken by OFS, in which case we'll have to find the money somewhere. All comments on the wisdom or madness of this approach will be hugely, hugely appreciated!

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Post by skye » Tue, 03 Jun 2008 9:04 am

Without getting into the details of individual schools something to watch out for with your current plan is notice provision at OFS or any other fee-paying school. Unless you give sufficient notice - usually at least a couple of months but you have to read your contract carefully - you will forfeit your deposit - usually a term's fees.

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Post by road.not.taken » Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:03 pm

artursson wrote:The school contribution being offered so far is US$5000 per year, a laughable sum, I know, given the school fees posted by such International Schools as SAS. This has not been an immediate deal-killer for us, as we aren't much interested in coming halfway around the globe to send our son to school with a gang of other American kids.
I'd take a much closer look at all the schools you are interested in as you seem to be making some fairly wild assumptions here. It really comes down to how long you think you'll stay and where you'll move on to from here. The various curriculums and calendars are a hard adjustment to make for a short stint.

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Post by artursson » Tue, 03 Jun 2008 9:24 pm

As I noted above, we will be in Singapore on a three year contract; after that probably back to New York, but a two year stint in Tokyo is possible. In that light, can you tell me what my wild assumptions might be? Regarding the deposit issue, OFS seems to depend for part of its enrollment on families who are frankly making use of it as a holding school, so one might expect that return of deposits is a well-understood concern there.

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Post by road.not.taken » Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:07 pm

artursson wrote:As I noted above, we will be in Singapore on a three year contract; after that probably back to New York, but a two year stint in Tokyo is possible. In that light, can you tell me what my wild assumptions might be? Regarding the deposit issue, OFS seems to depend for part of its enrollment on families who are frankly making use of it as a holding school, so one might expect that return of deposits is a well-understood concern there.
Those three year contracts don't necessarily work out that way. I wouldn't put too much stock into what the length of your initial contract is when planning your child's education. That can be a dangerous house of cards. I think you might be surprised at the variety of nationalities that make up the student bodies at all the schools in Singapore. SAS, to name just one, is an American-based curriculum that educates children from 54 different countries. Hardly a 'gang of Americans kids'.

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Post by skye » Wed, 04 Jun 2008 9:06 am

Return of deposits IS a well understood concern and it is not usually interpreted in favour of the parents . When schools say "dates for notice of withdrawal will be strictly adhered to" they meant it. To be fair they have to plan and resource and need to know how many students they are catering for.

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Post by artursson » Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:00 pm

The president of my wife's institution advises that we should stick with the International Schools, and promises to "have a word with the Minister" to see us around any problem with waitlists. That may just be bravado, but in the event: TTS or UWC? If you have current experience of either or both of the schools, or another suggestion, I will be thankful.

We are being housed in Queenstown/River Valley somewhere, and don't want to subject our son to a long bus commute, so we have less interest in SAS. We're concerned as well that the schools tend to be huge. EIS, with its projected maximum enrollment of 1500, looks best by that measure. The place advertises the credit cards it accepts on its homepage, but perhaps that's just an unfortunate gaffe of newness; I'm interested in the thoughts of anyone on the ground there who's looked the school over.

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Post by road.not.taken » Thu, 05 Jun 2008 6:28 am

artursson wrote:The president of my wife's institution advises that we should stick with the International Schools, and promises to "have a word with the Minister" to see us around any problem with waitlists.


This from the same institution that knew 'next to nothing' about Singapore? So the 'Minister' is going to cut some corners for you? That is just plain unscrupulous and unfair to the people queued up in front of you. Count me out on this one.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 05 Jun 2008 7:12 am

good morning road not take! :wink:

Could not help myself on this one! I put the Minister "corner cutting" right up there alongside the "purchasing a better place in the queue" practiced by some companies/schools that was discussed before. Same philosophy to me. I know, it's too early in the morning for me as I haven't even finished my first cup of tea yet so maybe I'm missing something in interpretation here.
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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Post by road.not.taken » Thu, 05 Jun 2008 7:34 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:good morning road not take! :wink:

Could not help myself on this one! I put the Minister "corner cutting" right up there alongside the "purchasing a better place in the queue" practiced by some companies/schools that was discussed before. Same philosophy to me. I know, it's too early in the morning for me as I haven't even finished my first cup of tea yet so maybe I'm missing something in interpretation here.
Same philosophy to you maybe, but getting someone to use their influence to cut the queue and not following the procedure put in place, is not the same to me and extremely distasteful. I have no qualms with the debenture system as long as it's meted out fairly with full transparency. You and I disagree on everything school related so it's no wonder you showed up here, properly caffeinated or not.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:17 am

influence generally used in todays world often equates to the exchange of money to get your way. Kinda like $1000/plate dinners and lobbyists in Congress with their duck hunting trips (I know - I had 20 years of them leasing my farm just for that purpose - I'm 70miles outside of DC). The giving of money to School to jump in front of queues is "influence" or baksheesh if you will.

Nevermind, have it your way. Most of us know the reality of it though. It just hit me early this morning that it is, in reality, exactly the same thing. :)
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Post by artursson » Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:17 pm

Good Lord, what have I wandered into here? Road-not-taken, it's irresistible to tell you to fork off. Do you imagine that Singapore, of all places, isn't set up such that a certain number of spots aren't set aside in EVERY sought-after situation to keep the government happy? How, in any analysis, is that different from the buying-in-advance that corporations indulge in to keep their executives secure in their entitlements? From the point of view of the institution, it's just a slight shift of emphasis in the desire to keep the most powerful customers satisfied. From one entity it's a fat check, from the other it's a future advantage extended or withheld: just a different currency in each case. If the gov't wants to ensure a comfortable relationship with a newly-recruited cultural prize, it will do it occasional small favors. Sometimes a little family may benefit. End of story.

Anyway. We seem to have worked out our school concerns, subject to our patron actually delivering the goods, and so I feel the freedom to unload a bit about the exchanges on this forum. My original post and the followups were sincere pleas for useful information about specific schools.
Perhaps my tone or style or something was offensive, but nonetheless I needed information. Looking over the replies, what did I receive? NO
helpful insight into the problem I was trying to engage from the other side of beyond; instead just a load of snarkiness to let me know what an ignorant fool I was to be asking! If I didn't know otherwise, I'd have to assume that Singapore is full of bad attitudes with too much time on their
hands. Not that I would ever wish to give offense to my future neighbors.

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Post by artursson » Thu, 05 Jun 2008 9:56 pm

Later. Surfing thru other threads on the forum, I begin to understand a bit the bitchy reception I complained about in the previous post. If my questions were perceived as bragging about some imagined insiderness, that was the contrary of my intention.

I'm still essentially clueless about the schools I've asked about, and we have too many commitments here before we leave to manage even the briefest factfinder trip, so I'm hoping for somebody else there to take a bit of time to tell me something about comparative school quality. The contract as of now ponies up some more school money, so we think we can afford a school with fees in the midteens, USD. Please help!

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Post by raika » Sat, 14 Jun 2008 2:37 am

Hi we're moving to Singapore next month and I've had the same queries.
But I have some friends who've been there for some years now, and this is what they had to say--

* OFS - an excellent school for young children. Warm caring environment, well qualified teachers.
* Canadian- good small school with experienced teachers. Kids who like individual attention do well there.
* UWC- considered among the best IBDP schools. Very competitive, very large, very difficult to get into!
* SAS- Also a sought after school, caters easier to American passport holders.

I did not consider the Swiss, French, German, Dutch, Chinese or Japanese schools as we will someday return to our country, and my child will definitely benefit better from a multicultural school rather than a niche school.

Given all these factors I'm very inclined towards OFS. I also hear that it is not academically as rigourous as UWC, and I'd prefer that for my child.

As it is not all that difficult to get into, my advice would be to put your child in and watch for one semester. Start looking for another school if you are not happy.

All the best,
R

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Post by artursson » Sat, 14 Jun 2008 2:55 am

raika--thanks for your information. Meanwhile I've been in correspondence
with another academic who raised two children in Singapore, and sent them to UWC and SAS; he liked OFS, too. So subject to the waiting list concern, we may see you at Paterson Road on August 8 for orientation day!

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